Official Kiwifarms Edgy Atheist Thread - where we make fun of all sorts of sky daddy believers

[f4t2h7gc]

And Judaism is objectively the worst of all three.

That's your view. Some of us don't share it.

You post your enlightened centrist video trying to equate my arguments with "Nazism," claiming it had nothing to do with atheism.
How is anything I have posted not related to atheism?

They are related to atheism. People are just pointing out that you seem to have a proclivity (in this thread and elsewhere) to fly-off on one about Jews. Even when responding to MATI guy, who is clearly a Christian. Your criticisms of Judaism are valid, and applies across the spectrum: whether it's thighing in Islam, or the Catholic sex abuse scandals. But as before...

I think, at the very least, we all agree that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all pretty bad.

In other news, and moving away from the slap fights, hundreds of people are dying during the Hajj pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia. Sad to realize that some have spent their life savings to travel there, only to die in the process.

 

[The Deep State]

@The Tall Man If I lacked the spine to attack Judaism, Kiwi Farms would be the perfect place for me to grow that spine like all the other keyboard ubermensch have. If I'm still not targeting Judaism enough to your liking, that should tell you it might not be a spine issue. I do think religious people in power take their beliefs seriously, otherwise we wouldn't have had the Roe v. Wade disaster. I'm sure there are powerful Jews with malicious, religious motivations too. I just don't agree with you that they're the sole puppeteers of world affairs.

Out of curiosity, what do you disagree with the NSDAP on?

 

[The Tall Man]

That's your view. Some of us don't share it.

Then you are either to cowardly to ask that question or very uninformed.
So what is worse normalizing a 9 year old Child bride or raping a baby under the age of 3?
Wanting to force convert everybody vs. wanting everybody who is not of your tribe dead or enslaved?
I think the one that has a bunch of holidays celebrating genocides on people they didn't like and glorifying the murder of innocent children via bloodmagic is worse.

People are just pointing out that you seem to have a proclivity (in this thread and elsewhere) to fly-off on one about Jews.

Does anyone else do it itt?

If I'm still not targeting Judaism enough to your liking,

You don't, at all.

I'm sure there are powerful Jews with malicious, religious motivations too. I just don't agree with you that they're the sole puppeteers of world affairs.

It's not Jews plotting in darkened rooms. It's Jews getting together with Judeo-Christians and making deals in the open, that is what murders millions of people. Bush called it a holy war and he followed the PNAC papers. This is not some super secret thing you need special knowledge to find out.

This is what people don't understand about Judaism because they don't care to look into it. It's not like Christianity or Islam where the Messiah is a magical being that descends from the heavens when the angles play trumpets.

The concept of hastening the coming of the Mashiach is an integral part of Judaism.
They work tirelessly on bringing forth the Messianic age.

Show me when the pope got superpowers to sign their pet projects.
The Abraham Accords, bullied into existence by Trump, for example, are purely in the interest of Judaism.
And if you think, why should you care, it's because it is needed for the Mashiach to come.
One integral part of messianic prophecy is the destruction of Edom in the Gog vs. Magog war.
What do the rabbis tell us is the Gog vs. Magog war? It's the West (America and Europe) vs. Russia, Iran, and China.

If you say, "I still don't believe they can facilitate this," then put your thinking cap on and realize that Christians and Muslims get excited when they think about being in the end times. Yes, they accept that it's God's plan and there will be suffering and death for them, but in the end, magical Jesus will come down from the clouds and save them.

Kind of makes you think, Islam and Christianity, both religions invented by Jews, have an anti-Christ taking control of the entire world.
While Judaism just has the Mashiach (a great Jewish leader, not supernatural) take over the world.
This is the sick relationship between Judeo-Christians and Judaism. Many Evangelicals think that the Jewish Messiah will be the anti-Christ, and that he will take over the world and there will be death, war, and famine. But once the anti-Christ has complete dominion over the world, then Jesus will come down from the clouds, destroy the anti-Christ and the non-believers, and grant the Christians eternal life.

Some major points that need to happen for the Mashiach to come are suffering, war, pestilence, and famine. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what "hastening the coming of the Mashiach" means. Also known as the birth pangs of the Mashiach.

https://odysee.com/@R.A.I.N.:0/Rabbis-fantasize-about-the-Destruction-of-America-and-Christianity:9

 

[Tablet County]

Does anyone else have the spine to do it itt?

You're missing the point. Jewry is already a known quantity, the fact that there are countless threads on this site naming the Jew and the prevalence of the Early Life meme is proof of that. Christianity, conversely, is swept up by Christ is Kang larpers and reactionary cockwarmers who would sacrifice their own rights, their own freedoms, their very sense of self if it meant that the state would prevent mentally ill retards from chopping their dicks off and pretending to be women.

All that aside, it's not a matter of courage, they just don't believe you and think you're insane. You do realize how you sound to the uninitiated? You think because you're hot shit in thunderdome threads where everybody sucks each other off for spelling diversity with an extra e that everyone's gonna just believe you? You can't speak of a coming apocalypse manufactured by Jews and post links from famed fucking schizo haven Odysee and expect people who don't know what you're talking about to think you're on the up and up. I hate to be the one to give you the blackpill on this but the cold hard truth isn't enough to convince people who just don't want to believe it. People don't care about the truth when it's presented in ways that are stark, uncomfortable or unappealing, and trying to force reality down people's throats just drives them further away from it.

And I apologize if I've been less than civil here, but I've been trying to be civil and friendly because you make good posts and good points, but you're being retarded.

Also that guy's name is Niggun.

 

[The Tall Man]

You're missing the point. Jewry is already a known quantity, the fact that there are countless threads on this site naming the Jew and the prevalence of the Early Life meme is proof of that. Christianity, conversely, is swept up by Christ is Kang larpers and reactionary cockwarmers who would sacrifice their own rights, their own freedoms, their very sense of self if it meant that the state would prevent mentally ill retards from chopping their dicks off and pretending to be women.

Naming them and realizing early life coincidences isn't as important to me as understanding the why.
The psychology of Jewish identity is really interesting, and if you learn about their religion, you can see why they are so antagonistic towards everyone else. It's a prime example of trauma-based mind control.
The Old Testament is mostly made-up nonsense and stories plagiarized from older civilizations. That means Jews are basically just regular Arabs twisted by the most psychotic ideology to hate everyone who is not part of it.

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." -Richard Dawkins

I love how often something like this has been throw at Christian in Atheist vs Christian debates.
And Christians often respond with the New Testament supersedes the old.
Guess who doesn't even have a New Testament and most of these so called Atheist would grovel and tell Jews what a rich and beautiful culture they have.

I hate to be the one to give you the blackpill on this but the cold hard truth isn't enough to convince people who just don't want to believe it. People don't care about the truth when it's presented in ways that are stark, uncomfortable or unappealing, and trying to force reality down people's throats just drives them further away from it.

I know this, and since you have seen my post in the Holocaust thread, it should be obvious that I just love to argue online.
I know Chugger will never change his mind; he is completely insane. Still, it's fun to argue with him.

I also know from experience that "Hellstorm" is a far more powerful movie to get people to reevaluate their perception of WWII than some fact packed 5 hour autism spectacle.
Most people aren't rational; they are emotional. Showing them Dean Irebodd with his monotone, autistic voice reciting information doesn't work on them.

I am not here to change people's minds; I am only here to argue.

 

[Tablet County]

I am not here to change people's minds; I am only here to argue.

That's fair, and probably the most honest response I've ever received with regards to ideological internet slapfights.

 

[The Deep State]

@Tablet County It's not an issue of initiation or shock content. I've watched Europa and TGSNT like every sperg on this site, and I've seen plenty of spo0o0oky interviews with rabbis and whatever else is floating around in the DR sphere. Q anon also has a wealth of content, as do flat earthers, creationists, Muslim apologists, etc. but it doesn't mean their stuff is well-researched, not cherry-picked, or that their conclusions aren't retarded. I genuinely can't be assed to argue about the JQ on here, and I've already told him this:

I'm not interested in fighting other atheists about which skydad faction is worse.

You don't, at all.

As much as I'm sad to have disappointed you, I'm not the main character of this thread. You're free to attack Judaism here as much as you want, but it's not up to you to police other people's posting habits.

 

[The Tall Man]

As much as I'm sad to have disappointed you, I'm not the main character of this thread. You're free to attack Judaism here as much as you want, but it's not up to you to police other people's posting habits.

I assume that you don't like to bring it up because you feel it's improper or fear how people would perceive you.
I can't make you do anything, and you can post about what you want.
I see any atheist who knows about the problems caused by Christianity and Islam but doesn't address the root of the problem as a weak coward.

I genuinely can't be assed to argue about the JQ on here, and I've already told him this

You are constantly reading stuff between the lines that isn't there. I write what I think; there are no hidden meanings behind my posts. It's just criticism of Judaism and Abrahamic religions.

spo0o0oky interviews with rabbis and whatever else is floating around in the DR sphere. Guess what, Q anon also has a wealth of content, as do flat earthers, creationists, Muslim apologists, etc. but it doesn't mean their stuff is well-researched, not cherry-picked, or that their conclusions aren't retarded.

I do love that barrier that exists in your mind, where criticizing Judaism is considered kooky and unsavory.
If I am able to 'cherry-pick' passages that equate raping a baby with poking someone in the eye, then that religion is immoral beyond belief.
It also shows that you have no idea how vile Judaism is. You know that comically evil portrayal of Nazis in Hollywood? That is pretty much Judaism.
You can find the horrible, barbaric morals of Judaism reflected in the Jewish state. You can find an endless stream of rabbis saying the most heinous things.

 

[The Deep State]

I assume that you don't like to bring it up because you feel it's improper or fear how people would perceive you.

My perception among the userbase here would shoot up to the high heavens if I was attacking Judaism/Jews in every post.

 

[The Tall Man]

You are doing that thing again where you read stuff between the lines that isn't there.
Fear how people would perceive you =/= fear Kiwis would perceive you negatively.

I like how 'the fellowship for Christians and Jews' is simply Christians giving money to Jews.

 

[f4t2h7gc]

So what is worse normalizing a 9 year old Child bride or raping a baby under the age of 3?

With your framing, clearly the second one is worse. The first can lead to the second, but the second-on its face-is definitely worse.

Then you are either to cowardly to ask that question or very uninformed.
...
Wanting to force convert everybody vs. wanting everybody who is not of your tribe dead or enslaved?
I think the one that has a bunch of holidays celebrating genocides on people they didn't like and glorifying the murder of innocent children via bloodmagic is worse.

Or, perhaps, I don't think there is as much brain-numbing retardation coming from that particular camp right now. Or that it might not be the biggest current threat to secular society. Demographic shifts and sectarian politics are more likely to destabilize society in the short-medium term.

You don't, at all.

I don't know as much about Judaism compared to the other two, and they are less visible or damaging to my local situation—so I don't talk about it as much. Messianic beliefs and a hope for the end times are dumb and have caused much undue suffering. The nutjob rabbis that believe in a Jewish ethnostate, Jewish supremacy, and a right to self ownership of the promised land are one of the reasons why the Israel-Palestine conflict is so insoluble.

You are constantly reading stuff between the lines that isn't there. I write what I think; there are no hidden meanings behind my posts. It's just criticism of Judaism and Abrahamic religions.

Alright bud, you just happen to also post routinely in the Holocaust revisionism thread, bring every point raised against the other Abrahamic monotheisms back to the cult of Judaism, and post links to fringe Odysee channels that sperg about Jews and promote retarded conspiracy theories/theorists and European neo-nazi groups.

The Abraham Accords, bullied into existence by Trump, for example, are purely in the interest of Judaism.

They're in the interest of Israel. Which just so happens to be the Jewish state. Conspiratorial thinking is borderline paranoia. Wow, color me surprised that there are photos of Jews meeting the president on 'Education and Sharing' days. I could say the same exact thing about all those 'secret' one-to-one meetings between Biden/Obama and the Pope.

I also know from experience that "Hellstorm" is a far more powerful movie to get people to reevaluate their perception of WWII than some fact packed 5 hour autism spectacle.

Of course it is, it's written to evoke emotion. It's an important film for raising the Allied war crimes that aren't talked about to the same degree. But Allied bombing campaigns are not covered up. There are popular children's history books that have talked about the horrors of the firebombing in Dresden. This film also contains unnecessary exaggerations like "275,000" deaths—which is nonsense. This is the sort of blatant exaggeration that Holocaust revisionists claim for the recounting of the Jewish numbers.

I do love that barrier that exists in your mind, where criticizing Judaism is considered kooky and unsavory.

This is a legend in your own mind. It's not kooky and it's not unsavory. Keep criticizing their immoral teachings and practices.

It just starts to raise an eyebrow or two when somebody follows a certain pattern of behavior:
> Post is made about Islam...
> "Yes, but also the Jews..."
> Post is made about the destruction of cultural artefacts...
> "Yes, but also the Jews..."
> Posts is made about Christianity...
> "Yes, but also the Jews..."
> Christian boomer starts raging in the thread...
> "Yes, but have you read these passages in the texts of the Jews..."

You look like a schizo and it's getting tiresome and predictable.

 

[The Tall Man]

With your framing

Don't be silly; you will not find a worse example in Christian texts or Islamic texts than in Jewish texts. That is a fact.

Or that it might not be the biggest current threat to secular society. Demographic shifts and sectarian politics are more likely to destabilize society in the short-medium term.

The vast majority of NGOs facilitating all this demographic change are Judeo-Christian and Jewish.

I don't know as much about Judaism compared to the other two, and they are less visible or damaging to my local situation

You probably know how barbaric and fucked up the Old Testament is. There is no book about turning the other cheek and such; there is only 'dash the babies of your enemies against the rocks.' And everyone who isn't chosen by Yahweh is your enemy.

Alright bud, you just happen to also post routinely in the Holocaust revisionism thread

You can always join and argue your position.
I actually change my mind when presented with a more rational argument.
If you think it's something that shouldn't be talked about, then I vehemently disagree. It is used as a cudgel of guilt by Israel.
Germany pays about one billion in reparations each year.

If you think that everyone who engages in Holocaust revisionism simply does so because they are anti-Semitic, then you are being a complete fool.
There are Jewish Holocaust revisionists like David Cole, and most serious Holocaust revisionists are obviously people who value truth over comfort.
I bet you use the phrase 'the winners write history,' and yet you think this is some great point against me.

Again, if you want to argue this, there is a thread for it with people happy to hash it out. If you don't even care enough to argue about it, just keep it to yourself.

every point raised against the other Abrahamic monotheisms back to the cult of Judaism

Why does this bother you in particular?
Ultimately, Islam and Christianity have their roots in Judaism.
You might not have understood this, but Christianity and Islam passively wait for the end times while Judaism actively tries to create them.
If you don't realize the horrifying implications of this then read what the end times are all about.

They're in the interest of Israel. Which just so happens to be the Jewish state. Conspiratorial thinking is borderline paranoia

LMAO, it just happens to be the Jewish state.
Jewish identity is always based on Judaism. The Jewish tribe doesn't exist outside of the fake made up history of the Torah. Most Ashkenazi Jews are Arab-Euro mutts and the others are Palestinians with a different religion. The people that truly believe Jews are a distinct racial group are Nazis and Jewish supremacists.

Wow, color me surprised that there are photos of Jews meeting the president on 'Education and Sharing' days. I could say the same exact thing about all those 'secret' one-to-one meetings between Biden/Obama and the Pope.

Color me surprised that you didn't engage with the point I made and instead built a disingenuous strawman argument that makes it seem as if I said, 'Look, rabbis are meeting with world leaders; no one else does that.'
Do you realize that these groups are at the forefront of pushing for the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism, which is gaining more traction and would conclude with making it illegal in many countries to criticize many of Judaism's core tenets?
But hey, as a true edgy atheist, you don't care that a religion is basically implementing blasphemy laws. You are too much of an enlightened centrist for that.

It's so obvious how spineless the vast majority of atheists are; they would be up in arms, and rightfully so, if creationism or mandatory prayer were pushed by Christians.

https://eu.news-press.com/story/opinion/2021/06/16/unspoken-agenda-behind-floridas-moment-silence-law-ron-desantis/7715421002/

Chabad got DeSantis to sign Noahide teachings into law.

Find me another religion with this much lobbying power?

Yes, but have you read these passages in the texts of the Jews

So you rephrase any of my arguments to looking meaningless and ridiculous.
At least engage with any of the actual points I made.

Islam and Christianity are sects that came from Judaism, use Jewish texts, and were invented by Jews.
To think you can properly criticize any Abrahamic religion without understanding Judaism and Jewish identity is utterly ridiculous.

Your post boils down to the idea that you think it's unsavory to criticize Judaism.

Here is a genuine question for you: Are you in the camp of Jesus mysticism or historicism?

 

[f4t2h7gc]

Don't be silly; you will not find a worse example in Christian texts or Islamic texts than in Jewish texts. That is a fact.

I haven't read all of their texts to compare shit with shit, and don't feel the need to. So I'll just have to take your word for it...

The vast majority of NGOs facilitating all this demographic change are Judeo-Christian and Jewish.

"Vast majority". Give some examples. Also, not a smoking gun for a global conspiracy or bringing about the 'end times'.

You probably know how barbaric and fucked up the Old Testament is. There is no book about turning the other cheek and such; there is only 'dash the babies of your enemies against the rocks.' And everyone who isn't chosen by Yahweh is your enemy.

Preaching to the choir. Not in disagreement with you on that.

You can always join and argue your position.
I actually change my mind when presented with a more rational argument.

No thanks. People like Chugger can waste their time with that. I also don't debate flat earthers or people who deny evolution. It's not worth the effort.

If you think it's something that shouldn't be talked about, then I vehemently disagree. It is used as a cudgel of guilt by Israel.

I think you misunderstand my position. I'm not against it being discussed and debated—if you want to discuss the numbers in that thread then go for it. I'm not interested.

If you think that everyone who engages in Holocaust revisionism simply does so because they are anti-Semitic, then you are being a complete fool.

I didn't say that, nor do I believe it. But I do think that several actors from that team engage in dishonest tactics and are not merely skeptical. Some have an agenda to justify. I gave you an example in that Hellstorm film which you failed to mention. Raising the Allied war crimes is one thing, but exaggerating the numbers and framing it like the 'good guys' lost isn't just talking about it, it's justifying an agenda.

Why does this bother you in particular?
Ultimately, Islam and Christianity have their roots in Judaism.

I'm not bothered by the criticisms, although I've zoned out for a few of them (MATI guy for example). What bothers me is shitting up the thread with Jew sperging for no good reason. As I mentioned, every topic with you gets redirected back to somehow relating to the Jews. Whether directly relevant or not. It's a symptom of the preoccupied mind of a total sperg or schitzo. If thats your MO then fine. I'll learn to ignore it.
Yes, they are relative plagiarisms of each other. But they have distinct flaws and differences in practice today, not all of which relate directly to, or are caused by, Judaism.

Color me surprised that you didn't engage with the point I made and instead built a disingenuous strawman argument that makes it seem as if I said, 'Look, rabbis are meeting with world leaders; no one else does that.'
Do you realize that these groups are at the forefront of pushing for the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism, which is gaining more traction and would conclude with making it illegal in many countries to criticize many of Judaism's core tenets?

That's not what I'm implying. I'm commenting on your tacit promotion of a new world order conspiracy theory and 'making it seem' like underhand meetings are underway to promote a Jewish worldwide order. Which I think is bullshit. Do I disagree with you that some Jews want to bring about the end times and are acting to promote the rise of the Mashiach, no. I just don't think it's as widespread (outside of some radical sects) as you do. Just like I don't think that all Muslims believe in literal Martyrdom, or that all Catholics believe in literal transubstantiation. Some do, but not all. That's what we disagree on.

Religious groups pushing for tighter anti-Semitism/Islamophobia definitions does not suprise me in the least. Getting pretty tired of playing Devils advocate here, but where in the IHRA definition does it say you cannot criticize Judiasm? Sounds like you just might be mad that you can't sperg about how there were no chambers to your work colleagues...

It's so obvious how spineless the vast majority of atheists are; they would be up in arms, and rightfully so, if creationism or mandatory prayer were pushed by Christians.
https://eu.news-press.com/story/opinion/2021/06/16/unspoken-agenda-behind-floridas-moment-silence-law-ron-desantis/7715421002/
Chabad got DeSantis to sign Noahide teachings into law.

Something else I didn't argue for. Do you really think I wouldn't oppose that? Spineless atheism is a problem, I agree. Blasphemy laws are regressive and bad. This is one (relatively small by comparison) example. Several European countries are losing the free speech battle on a much larger scale. Should I give you a link to the Scottish hate crime bill, or maybe the upcoming Irish hate crime bill as arguments? These would criminalise any perceived intolerance to any religion, including the cult of gender.

Find me another religion with this much lobbying power?

Again, we're probably just going to have to agree to disagree and move on with our lives. But in my view this is no different from the Muslim Brotherhood or the Catholic/Christian lobby movements (especially in the US for the latter).

So you rephrase any of my arguments to looking meaningless and ridiculous.
At least engage with any of the actual points I made.

No. Your points were not meaningless, but some are bordering on politisperging and conspiratorial nonsense. And you keep returning to the JQ, whether it's relevant or not. Which, as I have said, just shits up a thread when it doesn't need to.

Your post boils down to the idea that you think it's unsavory to criticize Judaism.
Here is a genuine question for you: Are you in the camp of Jesus mysticism or historicism?

I don't think that. As I said before...

This is a legend in your own mind. It's not kooky and it's not unsavory. Keep criticizing their immoral teachings and practices.

Historicism. If I understood you right.

 

[Dasjas Watanid Tabas]

@The Tall Man

You're mad because you think it's DA JOOOOICE who turned Western people into lolcows (porn addicts, fags, commiepedotroons, schizophrenic celibates, soyboys who collect plastic figurines, xenophilic libs), but it was Westoids' own doing. They decided that such behavior progressive and liberating all on their own, not because people with small hate and big noses brainwashed everyone. Calm the fuck down, manlet, and re-evaluate your views.

Now to break up all the Jew sperging, I think these are some of the reasons atheists aren't the majority of population and edgy atheism isn't common:
1. The vast majority of atheists are passive with their atheism and will never take on the religion.
2. The vast majority of atheists are politically correct liberals and they can't stomach a good chunk of atheist arguments (practically every edgy outspoken famous atheist who's still alive is now a PC leftie who barely throws a jab at religion).
3. Edgy atheists are not only just a minority among a minority (I'd put them at 5-6, 10% of atheist population at the most), but they aren't allowed on or don't want to be on the big TV, YT channels and newspapers because they're... well, edgy. Too spicy for today's political climate.
4. Cows like TheAmazingAutist and the Peddit and imageboard neckbeards from "Atheist quotes for when you're feeling euphoric" compilations hurt the image of edgy atheism way more than their opponents could.

Thread remains to be highly enjoyable, OP. If I was an atheist, I'd be more like you than more like the regular atheist. Although I still wouldn't like faggots and I wouldn't be a leftoid.
Cheers nonetheless!

 

[The Deep State]

hundreds of people are dying during the Hajj pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia. Sad to realize that some have spent their life savings to travel there, only to die in the process.

The death toll is over 1300 now, and there's a wikipedia article too. Apparently it was the heat.

Thread remains to be highly enjoyable, OP. If I was an atheist, I'd be more like you than more like the regular atheist. Although I still wouldn't like faggots and I wouldn't be a leftoid.
Cheers nonetheless!

Meh, I don't necessarily like or dislike the gheys™, I just think it's unethical to suppress or criminalize same-sex attraction. Even good ol' Cap is saying the government shouldn't use "force" in this regard. I'm also of the opinion (I've said this before here) that straight men are grossed out by male homosexuality on an instinctive level - that includes myself and likely everyone else here (thread is a sausage fest, send help) but I can't make policy prescriptions based on "I don't like this".

Also, I can't really keep my leftoid card after saying transwomen are men. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[f4t2h7gc]

The death toll is over 1300 now, and there's a wikipedia article too. Apparently it was the heat.

40 °C is enough to make most people hide away inside. It must take an impressive level of determination to venture out in 50 °C and above.
It's funny that God is making the areas of the world with deep religious significance close to uninhabitable. Must have a sense of humor.

 

[The Tall Man]

So I'll just have to take your word for it

First, you accuse me of malicious framing, then you say you can't be bothered to look into it.
Not brave enough to call a spade a spade or just look at the facts.
This is why I call you spineless.

"Vast majority". Give some examples.

Spoiler: List for the guy who calls mass immigration the biggest threat but can't be bothered to look at the parties involved

IsraAID
HIAS
Mosaic United
Project TEN
Tevel B'Tzedek
American Jewish World Service
American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee
Jewish Agency for Israel
Jewish Council for Racial Equality
Jewish Transmigration Bureau
Jewish United Fund

Assemblies of God
Brethren In Christ Church
Christian Reformed Church in N. America
Church of the Nazarene
Episcopal Church
Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE)
Missionary Church, the National Council of Churches
the Presbyterian Church
the United Methodist Church

Also, not a smoking gun for a global conspiracy or bringing about the 'end times'.

A conspiracy would imply that this is somewhat secretive, but it is not at all.
Christians and Muslims expect the end times and look forward to it with joy. Jews long for the Messianic age and are commanded to help facilitate the coming of the Mashiach.

Do you think it lines up with their prophecy because they have magical superpowers?

Spoiler: rabbis react

Or could it be that "hastening the coming of Mashiach" fits perfectly?

Spoiler: QE65 refuses to post this in the correct thread, 'The Holocaust Thread'

I also don't debate flat earthers or people who deny evolution. It's not worth the effort.

Immediately equating the revisionist side with kooks, but you don't even care to know anything about it.
So you take a side, but you are too much of an enlightened centrist to be bothered to even look at it. That's called ignorance, and it makes you a braindead believer.

But I do think that several actors from that team engage in dishonest tactics and are not merely skeptical. Some have an agenda to justify. I gave you an example in that Hellstorm film which you failed to mention. Raising the Allied war crimes is one thing, but exaggerating the numbers and framing it like the 'good guys' lost isn't just talking about it, it's justifying an agenda.

Your example exists only in your own head. Hellstorm does not frame Axis as the good guys; it is explicitly about the victims of war on the Axis side. If you think not dehumanizing people is some kind of evil agenda, you might be a psychopath.
And it shows again how little you know. Thomas Goodrich has not written about Holocaust revisionism.
You are extremely conspiratorially minded and keep assigning hidden agendas.
Again, if you don't even care to look into it, then it's better to shut up about it rather than make statements that make you look like a complete buffoon.

I'm not bothered by the criticisms, although I've zoned out for a few of them (MATI guy for example). What bothers me is shitting up the thread with Jew sperging for no good reason. As I mentioned, every topic with you gets redirected back to somehow relating to the Jews. Whether directly relevant or not.

This is your answer to this post

Why does this bother you in particular?
Ultimately, Islam and Christianity have their roots in Judaism.
You might not have understood this, but Christianity and Islam passively wait for the end times while Judaism actively tries to create them.
If you don't realize the horrifying implications of this then read what the end times are all about.

Try putting on your thinking cap, and you might realize how utterly retarded you are being right now.

It's a symptom of the preoccupied mind of a total sperg or schitzo. If thats your MO then fine. I'll learn to ignore it.

I talk about Judaism, the root of all Abrahamic religions, when it pertains to Abrahamic religions, and your confused little mind, that keeps seeing evil anti-Jew agendas everywhere, calls me schizo for it. Three religions were invented by religious Jews, and you see hidden evil agendas when talking about Judaism in relation to these three religions.

If you do realize how retarded this is—and you will have to put the tinfoil hat down for a minute to accomplish that—then you might realize that instead of ignoring something where your opinion shows itself to be irrational in a single post, you might want to actually find out what the facts of the matter are.

That's not what I'm implying.

Then stop being a conspiracy-minded idiot who thinks that Israel has nothing to do with Judaism. I don't know how you justify that idiotic idea, but please think about it for a minute and stop it.

a new world order conspiracy theory and 'making it seem' like underhand meetings are underway to promote a Jewish worldwide order. Which I think is bullshit.

You are so mentally broken about not wanting to seem anti-Jew that you are denying the core tenet of Judaism.
The goal of Judaism is for the entire world to worship the God that chose them and acknowledge them as the chosen nation of priests.
This is why I call you a spineless, pathetic coward.

Spoiler: A rabbi explaining light upon the nations for QE65

Do I disagree with you that some Jews want to bring about the end times and are acting to promote the rise of the Mashiach, no. I just don't think it's as widespread (outside of some radical sects) as you do.

You are wrong, and I don't care how you feel about it. I care about how it actually is, based on evidence.
And again, you are too ignorant to even attempt to look into it, yet you, a mind-broken fool, keep defending Judaism as an atheist.
PATHETIC

Just like I don't think that all Muslims believe in literal Martyrdom, or that all Catholics believe in literal transubstantiation. Some do, but not all. That's what we disagree on.

No, you are an idiot who compares different things without correlation to form an opinion based on feelings; that is what we disagree on.
The Holy Land, the Temple, the eradication of idol worship, the chosen nation of priests, and the inevitability of the Messianic Age are not some fringe little details about Judaism; they're core tenets that all major sects share. Even Christianity and Islam share most of them.

Getting pretty tired of playing Devils advocate here, but where in the IHRA definition does it say you cannot criticize Judiasm?

And I wish you could read or at least stop for a minute, looking for hidden agendas in your effort to defend the good name of Judaism.
Here is what I actually said:

to criticize many of Judaism's core tenets?

Again I am left explaining Judaism to you.

Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.

Judaism's goal is for their tribe that was chosen by their god to get the entire world to worship their god and acknowledge them as the nation of priests.
This is fairly obvious in the Torah and even more obvious in the Talmud.
A core tenet of Judaism is that they are chosen and have a soul made of good light, and everyone not part of their tribe has a soul made out of evil darkness.
Their messianic goal is to rule the world.

Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

As explained above, Jews are considered the chosen people with a good soul made of light, while the goyim have a evil Kellipot soul made of darkness. It's all about us vs. them.

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

Israel is the holy land. The idea in Judaism is that only their tribe should live and rule there.

Sounds like you just might be mad that you can't sperg about how there were no chambers to your work colleagues...

You keep defending Judaism, you keep making statements degrading revisionists, but you are ignorant of either subject and too mentally buck-broken to even care to look into it.

This is one (relatively small by comparison) example. Several European countries are losing the free speech battle on a much larger scale.

So I give you a direct example and you come at me with a whataboutism.
You display exactly what I accused you of: being a spineless coward who doesn't want to criticize Judaism because you think it's uncouth to do so.

No. Your points were not meaningless, but some are bordering on politisperging and conspiratorial nonsense.

Provide examples or stfu.

And you keep returning to the JQ, whether it's relevant or not. Which, as I have said, just shits up a thread when it doesn't need to.

I can't change what your conspiratorial mind reads between the lines and I don't care. But if you are going to make the accusation of me bringing up irrelevant stuff regarding atheism in this thread, I demand that you link it.
You have shown yourself to be ignorant about Judaism, yet you keep defending it as a self-proclaimed atheist.
You have stated multiple times that you feel like you don't want to look into Judaism.
You made apologetic statements like "I just don't think it's as widespread (outside of some radical sects) as you do," despite admitting you don't know much about Judaism.
You are exactly what I accused you of being: a spineless coward who gets uncomfortable when Judaism is criticized.
Which is beyond pathetic for someone who calls himself an atheist.

I guess we can agree to disagree, fellow enlightened centroid.

You haven't answered the one question I explicitly wanted you to answer.
Are you in the camp of Jesus mysticism or historicism?

 

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First, you accuse me of malicious framing, then you say you can't be bothered to look into it.
Not brave enough to call a spade a spade or just look at the facts.
This is why I call you spineless.

No. I said this:

I haven't read all of their texts to compare shit with shit, and don't feel the need to. So I'll just have to take your word for it...

But just to be clear, I have seen the verses you mentioned and they are bad (assuming it isn't just discussing an edge case with the full context). I acknowledged that earlier on. But I haven't read all of the wider texts to make a full agreement, so I'm taking you at your word. I was pointing out that promoting child marriage doesn't exclude the "raping a baby under the age of 3", if you want to be pedantic about the interpretation.

Thanks for the list of NGOs. But again, I don't see how this supports your claim that the "vast majority of NGOs facilitating all this demographic change are Judeo-Christian and Jewish". Where did you source these from, so I can see how they compare to other secular and religious organizations like Sikh, Hindu, and Muslim?

Christians and Muslims expect the end times and look forward to it with joy. Jews long for the Messianic age and are commanded to help facilitate the coming of the Mashiach.

Or could it be that "hastening the coming of Mashiach" fits perfectly?

Do you think it lines up with their prophecy because they have magical superpowers?

Clearly not "magical superpowers". Also, again, you are referencing clips of Rabbis from "Know More News" (Adam Green) who is a conspiracy theorist and 9/11 truther. Which Rabbis are these? Where are they from? Where are the full clip of what they were saying? I could also fire off a bunch of clips from mosques around the UK with Muslims claiming that their prophecies are fulfilled, or coming true. It's no reflection of what the majority are thinking. It doesn't mean that I defend their beliefs. I just don't agree with the 'Jews run the world' narrative that is tacitly implied.

Spoiler: One example

Xitter page that tracks and cultivates clips from UK mosques.

Mohammadi mosque in Birmingham, UK.

Try putting on your thinking cap, and you might realize how utterly retarded you are being right now.
Three religions were invented by religious Jews, and you see hidden evil agendas when talking about Judaism in relation to these three religions.

Condescend all you like. You included my first response but neglected to mention the part where I also said:

"they are relative plagiarisms of each other. But they have distinct flaws and differences in practice today, not all of which relate directly to, or are caused by, Judaism.

They (religions) hate and distrust each other more than they would happily work together. Especially in an attempt to bring about the end times or to fulfill Jewish prophecies. Even the Rabbis disagree with each other on these interpretations. It's a mess of contradiction.

you will have to put the tinfoil hat down for a minute to accomplish that

You're the one sharing edited clips from conspiracy theorists to support your case, not me. You seem to be incapable of understanding that I just happen to disagree with you on the JQ and that they are all conspiring to bring about the end of days.

Then stop being a conspiracy-minded idiot who thinks that Israel has nothing to do with Judaism

Again, I never said this and I don't get what this has to do with my response to you implying there is a Jewish new world order (with laughable photos of Jews meeting the President).

The goal of Judaism is for the entire world to worship the God.

A core tenet of Judaism is that they are chosen and have a soul made of good light, and everyone not part of their tribe has a soul made out of evil darkness.
Their messianic goal is to rule the world.
It's all about us vs. them

Yes, they have these specific views but religious supremacy is not unique to them. It aligns with the motivations of Christians, Muslims, Mormans, Sikhs, Hindus etc. You are singling out one religion when you don't need to.

You are wrong, and I don't care how you feel about it. I care about how it actually is, based on evidence.
And again, you are too ignorant to even attempt to look into it, yet you, a mind-broken fool, keep defending Judaism as an atheist.

And I'm evaluating what you have presented so far and don't come to the same conclusions. Which you seem incapable of accepting without omitting parts of my replies.

So I give you a direct example and you come at me with a whataboutism.
You display exactly what I accused you of: being a spineless coward who doesn't want to criticize Judaism because you think it's uncouth to do so.

No. You gave me one example of Jewish attempts to limit free speech. I agreed that that was bad and presented two (arguably) worse examples that were pushed through by secular means. And again, you fall back to something that I didn't say and that I don't believe. Nothing in that definition of antisemitism prevents criticisms of Judaism. If you argument is that it has the potential to limit free speech, then I agree. But it doesn't stop you from criticizing the religion.

I can't change what your conspiratorial mind reads between the lines and I don't care. But if you are going to make the accusation of me bringing up irrelevant stuff regarding atheism in this thread, I demand that you link it.
You have shown yourself to be ignorant about Judaism, yet you keep defending it as a self-proclaimed atheist.
You have stated multiple times that you feel like you don't want to look into Judaism.
You made apologetic statements like "I just don't think it's as widespread (outside of some radical sects) as you do," despite admitting you don't know much about Judaism.
You are exactly what I accused you of being: a spineless coward who gets uncomfortable when Judaism is criticized.
Which is beyond pathetic for someone who calls himself an atheist.

You've taken every opportunity to link your answers back to Judaism. Even when arguing with a Christian, who is unlikely to know or care about the Jews. Anyone can see that by just reviewing your posts in this thread. You have not proven that it is widespread enough to be seen as a mainstream view. My position is that they are divided and can't come to a collective agreement. Christians, Muslims, and Jews all contradict themselves in their interpretations in many areas.

You haven't answered the one question I explicitly wanted you to answer.
Are you in the camp of Jesus mysticism or historicism?

I am in the camp of historicism. As I said in my previous response, which again, you failed to mention:

Historicism. If I understood you right.

I'm going to take my own advice now and stop derailing the thread with this discussion. On other topics...

the legal codes of pre-Christian Europe were superior to any Middle Eastern ones

Can you provide examples please. This is interesting. We might find some common ground.

Spoiler: Side discussion on revisionism...

Immediately equating the revisionist side with kooks, but you don't even care to know anything about it.

Revisionism harbors outright Holocaust denial and has made little attempt to create distance. That's just how it is. I'm against the arrest and persecution of revisionists like David Irving. But his work has been critically appraised by historians like Richard Evans and found to have a number of flaws. Anyone should be able to challenge a narrative that claims there is one true way of viewing history. If you are debating the over-under on whether there were 5-6 million Jews killed, or whether the events that transpired were exactly as recounted—fair enough. But we both know that's not what that thread is debating. I don't waste my time with it since (like flat Earth and anti-vaccine/anti-evolution proponents) no amount of evidence or counter argument will convince you. You would just pivot to some other minor detail, rather than deal with the reality.

Hellstorm does not frame Axis as the good guys; it is explicitly about the victims of war on the Axis side. If you think not dehumanizing people is some kind of evil agenda, you might be a psychopath. And it shows again how little you know. Thomas Goodrich has not written about Holocaust revisionism. You are extremely conspiratorially minded and keep assigning hidden agendas. Again, if you don't even care to look into it, then it's better to shut up about it rather than make statements that make you look like a complete buffoon.

Pivoting to my lack of comment on the book and its author rather than addressing my point about the exaggerated numbers. What does Thomas Goodrich have to do with my point? As far as I am aware he is not a revisionist. You didn't bring up Karl Hunt or Renegade media though. I wonder why.

I acknowledged the importance of the book for highlighting the Allied war crimes (which, again, aren't a secret), but pointed out that the film (and book, if you want to be pedantic) contain a number of exaggerations, misreadings, and a one-sided discussions of the events.

 

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No. I said this: I haven't read all of their texts to compare shit with shit, and don't feel the need to. So I'll just have to take your word for it...

And one post before that.

With your framing

So is this still correct:
First, you accuse me of malicious framing, then you say you can't be bothered to look into it.
Not brave enough to call a spade a spade or just look at the facts.
This is why I call you spineless.

Also, again, you are referencing clips of Rabbis from "Know More News" (Adam Green) who is a conspiracy theorist and 9/11 truther.

Can you stop trying to divert and stop being insufferable by bringing up more and more stuff that is only tangentially related?

Which Rabbis are these? Where are they from? Where are the full clip of what they were saying? I could also fire off a bunch of clips from mosques around the UK with Muslims claiming that their prophecies are fulfilled, or coming true. It's no reflection of what the majority are thinking.

It's not hard to find these rabbis; do it yourself. It doesn't matter where they live.
The clips aren't missing any context; this is a completely irrational delusion. Please come up with a rational scenario where what they say somehow means something totally different with reasonable context added.
You are a Jewish apologist. You equate the criticism of Judaism with Jew-hatred.
If what the Muslims say is in accordance with their scripture and religious doctrine, then it's an accurate portrayal of the religion.

Condescend all you like. You included my first response but neglected to mention the part where I also said:

I excluded it because it was a dumb statement. Christianity is a Jewish sect, and Islam is a Jewish sect. They don't plagiarize from each other; they come from the same ideology. It also has little to do with the point I'm making.
You are a retard because you complain about me always bringing up Judaism when talking about Abrahamic religions.

They (religions) hate and distrust each other more than they would happily work together. Especially in an attempt to bring about the end times or to fulfill Jewish prophecies.

This is again wrong.
The number one stated enemies of all three Abrahamic religions are those who worship other gods or don't believe in the Jewish god.
Is Arabic or European paganism still around in any relevant numbers today? No, because they got eradicated by Abrahamoids.
And if you're gonna bring up some nonsense about the persecution of the Jews by Christians and Muslims, then you didn't get the point.
Judaism is still around and stronger than ever, and the same goes for Christianity and Islam.

Even the Rabbis disagree with each other on these interpretations. It's a mess of contradiction.

Suddenly you are some expert on what parts the different sects disagree on? You keep being an apologist for Judaism while claiming to be an atheist.
Some points are crystal clear and there is no big contradiction between the sects.
For the Mashiach to come, Edom (the West) needs to be destroyed, which all Jewish sects believe.
They all believe they are chosen by Hashem and their soul is good while the goyim's soul is bad.
They are Jacob; the goyim are Esau. One is ontologically good, the other evil.

I just don't agree with the 'Jews run the world' narrative that is tacitly implied.

You spineless coward. The rabbis and direct quotes from their texts boast about running the world and dreaming of subjugating the entire world. It's not something I have to imply.

You're the one sharing edited clips from conspiracy theorists to support your case, not me.

You might not like the guy, and I am not going to discuss any tangential things and actually mess up the thread like you have been doing by constantly bringing up nonsense that has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
I post a collection of rabbis talking, you know, the people learned in Judaism. It has nothing to do with conspiracy theories. Please point me to the conspiracy theory contained in any of these videos. It's a rhetorical question; there is none unless you keep imagining hidden agendas behind every little detail.
But you constantly assume evil intent and hidden meanings behind any criticism of Judaism. You are acting conspiracy-minded, not me.

You seem to be incapable of understanding that I just happen to disagree with you on the JQ

It's your conspiratorial mind that keeps inventing this nonsense. You and Deep State have brought up the JQ, not me. I have not brought up the JQ a single time itt.

Again, I never said this

I love arguing with people like you who are so mentally buck-broken that they can't help but disagree with themselves on a single page.

They're in the interest of Israel. Which just so happens to be the Jewish state.

I don't get what this has to do with my response to you implying there is a Jewish new world order

So you disagree that a main goal of Judaism is for the entire world to worship the God that chose them?

with laughable photos of Jews meeting the President

Now the guy who claims to be atheist has conveniently forgotten the examples I provided about what these laughable lobbyists have managed to get signed into law. Playing apologist for religious zealots again.

Yes, they have these specific views but religious supremacy is not unique to them. It aligns with the motivations of Christians, Muslims, Mormans, Sikhs, Hindus etc. You are singling out one religion when you don't need to.

I don't know much about Sikhs and Hindus, so please provide some examples to support your claim.
But it is incorrect for Christianity and Islam.
Both are universalist, which means they are seeking to convert anyone regardless of who they are to their ideology.
Judaism is tribal and discourages conversion; many sects don't allow conversion at all.
Their blood is holy, and goyim blood is satanic. Different Jewish sects want slightly different things. Some want to eradicate all nations and convert a tiny remaining population to Noahide slaves. Others want the same with slightly different numbers and timetables.

And I'm evaluating what you have presented so far and don't come to the same conclusions. Which you seem incapable of accepting without omitting parts of my replies.

Very cool, then make a rational argument for it.
What have I presented that makes you believe that only a few radical Jews hold that belief and that it's not mainstream Judaism?

Do I disagree with you that some Jews want to bring about the end times and are acting to promote the rise of the Mashiach, no. I just don't think it's as widespread (outside of some radical sects) as you do.

Feel free to bring up the context I missed that totally changes everything and makes you not a meek coward.

Nothing in that definition of antisemitism prevents criticisms of Judaism.

Very cool that you can debunk your own strawman.

you gave me one example of Jewish attempts to limit free speech. I agreed

Fool, I can read your previous post; you can't get away with lying so blatantly.

This is one (relatively small by comparison) example. Several European countries are losing the free speech battle on a much larger scale.

Here you minimized it, and then you brought up the Irish and Scottish hate crime bills in the atheism thread. My original point still stands.

You've taken every opportunity to link your answers back to Judaism.

Stop lying.
This is what you accused me of.

And you keep returning to the JQ, whether it's relevant or not.

Under your tinfoil hat, you came up with the conspiracy that I am pushing the JQ in this thread and accused me of such.
Now that you are unable to provide quotes, you are changing what your original problem is.
Now all of a sudden, you are actually unhappy with me bringing up Judaism and referencing Christianity back to its source, Judaism, in the atheism thread.
This is why I call you a spineless coward who doesn't like criticizing Judaism because it makes you feel uneasy.

You have not proven that it is widespread enough to be seen as a mainstream view.

I am not proving anything to anyone, and especially not to a Jewish apologist who doesn't even care enough about it to read a chapter of the Talmud.

My position is that they are divided and can't come to a collective agreement. Christians, Muslims, and Jews all contradict themselves in their interpretations in many areas.

A lot of what you have posted before can be attributed to sheer ignorance, but this is pure stupidity.
There are many, many things all Jewish sects agree on, more than what they disagree on. Do you think some Reform Jew would side with you on religious questions over some Orthodox Jew?

Judaism agrees with most of Islam and much of Christianity.
Name me any other ideology these three have more in common with than with each other?
Do you think Judaism has more in common with your ideology than Islam or Christianity?
They all share the Old Testament, the same fake history, and many of the same religious doctrines. They all pull towards the same end times. The guy that bred the red heifers to be sacrificed was a Christian.

I'm going to take my own advice now and stop derailing the thread with this discussion. On other topics...

You didn't, did you. Well here is a reply in the appropriate thread.


I would like you to not respond to any of the above.
You do realize that you are being an apologist for Judaism. Why?
That is what I really would like to know. Why do you feel you have to defend Judaism in the edgy atheist thread?

Can you provide examples please. This is interesting. We might find some common ground.

I already did itt.

I am in the camp of historicism. As I said in my previous response, which again, you failed to mention:

Sorry, I missed that.
Can you give me a bit more detail as to what you think the historical Jesus was?

 

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I already did itt.

No you didn't, you said they exist and told me to look it up.

I think the crux of the argument here is that you two are approaching the subject from two completely different paradigms. On the one hand you have the paradigm that Christianity and Islam, while derived from Judaism are ultimately different religions with a different cosmology, eschatology, and culture, while on the other there's the paradigm that these differences are immaterial because they all still use the Old Testament as the basis of their beliefs. While I understand where you're coming from I think it's ignorant and/or disingenuous to suggest that Christianity and Islam are mere sects of Judaism, when there are large parts of their culture and practices that are completely detached from Judaism.
Especially seeing as there are sects of Christianity which either outright reject or downplay the importance of the OT, believing that the NT supercedes or even completely invalidates the OT. I can't speak for Islam as, being a westerner I don't know as much about it.