The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Catch The Rainbow]

Nigger-Kike could you stop off topic sperging and make a thread if you want to discuss this with me

No point in hitting my head against a brick wall but I wanted to show chugger how disingenuous you were. You showed it perfectly, thank you.

 

[Chugger]

I will answer your questions once you answered those I asked you five pages ago.

Chugger it took me an endless number of post to get you to answer one question.
In that time I have answered multiple of your questions, you are simple derailing the original discussion again.

Let's get back on track.

Since it's so hard for you to answer a question, feel free to choose just one for now.
Why did they drop the Zyklon B pellets on the floor in a room without any heating and not use a fumigation device?
What about the drains? Were they always closed, or were they open? There had to be some way to efficiently clean the Brausebad.

I can only say what I think is most probable since I'm operating without all the information I need and don't have expertise about HVAC systems.

I don't think they planned on dropping Zkylon B pellets on the floor. It seems most logical to me that the pellets were in a bin of some sort that slid down, came to rest at the grates, they off-gassed and then the bin was retrieved.

I believe the drains were closed up after the war, probably for sanitary reasons. Maybe you're going to argue that they did it to conceal they were actually real drains? Assuming it was a "fake gas chamber" putting seemingly authentic sealed drains is senseless since these would have no purpose whatsoever (because the victims would immediately see they were fake).

I think everyone here can I see I'm trying to answer you in good faith but you're a persnickety bastard about these questions which have limited or no relevancy to your overall point (the Dachau "gas chamber" is self-evidently a post war construction designed to deceive people).

And you can't answer a simple question for which I would accept a yes/no/idk , do you believe the pipes are fake?

 

[The Tall Man]

I can only say what I think is most probable

*You could
You are extremely hesitant to give any answers at all.

I don't think they planned on dropping Zkylon B pellets on the floor. It seems most logical to me that the pellets were in a bin of some sort that slid down, came to rest at the grates, they off-gassed and then the bin was retrieved.

There is no off-gassing bin and you should know that.
I have no clue where you got the idea of some special off-gassing bin from, but it was either talking about the hatch flap or the cans Zyklon B come in.

You just state the same fan fiction again, where are those special off-gassing bins and how did they work?

Holocaust propagandists say that the granulate was dropped into the hatch.

I believe the drains were closed up after the war, probably for sanitary reasons.

Any evidence of that?
Holocaust propagandists say they were always closed like that.

Assuming it was a "fake gas chamber" putting seemingly authentic sealed drains is senseless since these would have no purpose whatsoever (because the victims would immediately see they were fake).

I think this is why you don't like answering questions, you are again being a holocaust denier, exposing that the gas chamber concept in Dachau makes no sense.

the Dachau "gas chamber" is self-evidently a post war construction designed to deceive people

Just to make this clear you are the one who first said this in our little back and forth.
Why would you think that?

do you believe the pipes are fake?

No they actual pipes.

So your answers are
Pipes were ventilation. Contradicting holocaust historians.
Mysterious off-gassing bin. Contradicting holocaust historians.
Drains were not originally sealed. Contradicting holocaust historians again.

So if this are you real answers, then why are the holocaust historians all lying about it?
But if you want to change your answers, since they seem half assed again, feel free to do so.

 

[Chugger]

Holocaust propagandists say they were always closed like that.

Where?

Just to make this clear you are the one who first said this in our little back and forth.

Where did I say that it was a post war construction meant to deceive people?

But if you want to change your answers, since they seem half assed again, feel free to do so.

I'll go with my answers.

No they actual pipes.

I mean do you think they were put there post-war in order to deceive people?

 

[The Tall Man]

I'll go with my answers.

Where are the off-gassing bins?
Why didn't the imamates push the granulate down the drains?
If there were 6 massive drains where did the water come from to justify them? The shower heads are fake, remember.
How did they seal off the drains during gassing, can you show that to me?


Why do the holocaust historians lie about the operation of the Dachau gas chamber?

 

[Chugger]

Where are the off-gassing bins?

I don't know. It looks like you could literally use a shoebox.

Why didn't the imamates push the granulate down the drains?

Because that would involve tipping the shoebox over, which would be impossible because of the grates

If there were 6 massive drains where did the water come from to justify them? The shower heads are fake, remember.

A bucket of water. A hose from the outside. Maybe there were water pipes there too. Who cares. The drains could have also served a deceptive function.

How did they seal off the drains during gassing, can you show that to me?

They didn't intend to seal the drains off.

Why do the holocaust historians lie about the operation of the Dachau gas chamber?

I don't think they're lying. I also think the reel you've presented (by the US propaganda department) does not equal Holocaust Historians.

Historians are going to typically have scholarly credentials, write their conclusions in a book and use sources, etc. If you can show me a well sourced book where these claims are being made that would be something else.

Now again about the pipes (did you dodge this question or just not see it)

I mean do you think they were put there post-war in order to deceive people?

 

[The Tall Man]

Who cares

Sir this is the holocaust thread, we discuss the ins and outs of the holocaust here.

I don't know. It looks like you could literally use a shoebox.

Again why are you the only one stating this in stark contradiction to the holocaust historians.
How would a shoebox help with off-gassing?
Why are the holocaust historians lying?

A bucket of water. A hose from the outside. Maybe there were water pipes there too. Who cares. The drains could have also served a deceptive function.

You will have to be more precise about those drains.
You think the way they look now is a post war renovation.
How did they look during the time the gas-chamber was operational?

They didn't intend to seal the drains off.

So why didn't the gas flow out of the drains?

 

[Bonesjones]

I feel he completely won that round against me.
He debunked that the pipes are water pipes.
He did miss that Mattogno concluded that these are hot water pipes for a real shower room, but everyone makes mistakes.
The pipes originate from the boiler room and go to the ceiling of the Brausebad, could be anything.

He didn't really do anything, he can't win any argument because he can never make an argument without being wishy washy about what he's saying, because he's a moron.

You still haven't presented where he says that, as I did with the passage I found. I didn't read the book but it makes sense he would make that argument since his theory is that the "gas chamber" was really a shower, so air ventilation doesn't really fit.

You could just read what you source and fine it there. Oh wait that takes more effort than searching "gas chamber". You said you would read it, why are you lying now?

What he doesn't do, this I am 100% positive of, is make the argument that the pipes were fake ("begin and end at the wall) and planted there to scare visiting dignitaries. Even if we accept Mattogno's theory about the pipes, it still contradicts your own view of the pipes being fake.

How do you know what he says and what his argument is, you refuse to read it after you said you would. Funny thing is the pipes can be real and fake at the same time.

So "in some death camps, gas chambers were disguised as shower rooms", but there were also holes in the walls/ceiling from which pellets were dropped in? That does seem a little needlessly complex. It would be (nice is the wrong word, but) nice to know which camps had these "disguised" gas chambers.

They all claim to have gas chambers, remember they said Dachau had a gas chamber except they never used it. So they went to all the trouble of building a fake shower gas chamber to then never use it. Make it make sense.

As far as I'm aware at the major death camps (where people were killed in assembly line fashion more or less) it was always under the pretense of shower. There were other places where limited gassings occurred where no such pretense was given. An example of this would be at Stutthof.

Your killing in an assembly line fashion at Dachau was around 50 people out of over 10,000. Those evil Nazis, killing a fraction of a percentage on purpose, a real genocide.

You have no idea how correct you are. I got into an argument with him about something in the book of Obidiah, proved him wrong by showing him a majority opinion in the Talmud that exactly answered his question. What this nigga does is reject that as not a real opinion, takes my words out of context, claims he "won" the argument, and follows me around for months on the forum trying to gloat how he beat me. You literally can't win, if you prove something definitively he will just reject the evidence.

Lmao, when are you goin to respond to my post 5 pages back at this point. Funny how you scurry back to your sewer lair when you find yourself against something you can't whinge your way out of.

As Sartre writes in Anti Semite and Jew

Of course you'd quote a pedophile who looks like this:


Probably reminds you of every Rabbi you've ever talked to, being as dysgenic as jews are.

Well do you still think the pipes are fake?

I had quoted Mattogno seemingly agreeing with the mainstream view. I myself am no pipe expert so based on appearance alone I can't determine, but they do look a lot like how other air vent pipes do.

They are fake. You don't know what you quoted since you never read it.

LMAO you are still seething so hard about me quoting you.

He's always seething being an Orthodox jew who loves the company of baby dick sucking Rabbis.

Not interested in talking with someone who lies and takes stuff out of context as you continually do and just did. Just pointing out to chugger how no one can win in an argument against you because you refuse to acknowledge any evidence that disagrees with you. Avodah Zara 10B buck broke you.

You've never told the truth in your life. Your religion and culture is built entirely on lies and obfusication.

As I said I am no pipe expert and I don't really care. What I care about is your claim that they are fake pipes and were put there to scare people or elicit an emotional response. Are you backing off this claim?

He doesn't care, guys, he's just correct! So why did they put fake pipes there or real pipes? What's your actual argument?

No point in hitting my head against a brick wall but I wanted to show chugger how disingenuous you were. You showed it perfectly, thank you.

Hey look the coward wants to run away again. Imagine that.

I can only say what I think is most probable since I'm operating without all the information I need and don't have expertise about HVAC systems.

You could read your source, it'll give you more than enough info. We know you have no practical knowledge, you have a barely working grasp on reality. How jewish of you.

I don't think they planned on dropping Zkylon B pellets on the floor. It seems most logical to me that the pellets were in a bin of some sort that slid down, came to rest at the grates, they off-gassed and then the bin was retrieved.

Why would the mechanism to do that be outside the building opposite all those pipe controls? Why wouldn't they be next to the pipe controls?

I believe the drains were closed up after the war, probably for sanitary reasons. Maybe you're going to argue that they did it to conceal they were actually real drains?

What's unsanitary about a drain? Do you have any knowledge of plumbing at all?

Assuming it was a "fake gas chamber" putting seemingly authentic sealed drains is senseless since these would have no purpose whatsoever (because the victims would immediately see they were fake).

So they can identify fake showerheads but not fake drains? Or are both obviously fake?

I think everyone here can I see I'm trying to answer you in good faith but you're a persnickety bastard about these questions which have limited or no relevancy to your overall point (the Dachau "gas chamber" is self-evidently a post war construction designed to deceive people).

You've never answered anything in good faith, all you do is dodge, lie, misquote, obfuscate, etc. If we ask you a yes or no question we get 2 paragraphs on an entirely different subject. Your response has no relevancy to the topic yet again, you are just complaining about being forced to answer questions directly as you have always done(because they reveal that you have no idea what you are talking about and are a holocaust denier).

 

[Chugger]

Again why are you the only one stating this in stark contradiction to the holocaust historians.

The only one I saw was this guy

Further evidence of its design as a homicidal chamber are the two bin-like drawers leading from the gas chamber to the exterior. The only possible explanation for these bins is that they were designed to receive the granules of Zyklon-B (or some other lethal volatile poison) from a small tin. The person in charge of a homicidal gassing need only don a gas mask, open the two bins, and dump part of a small tin of Zyklon-B into each one. Having done this, the operator would close the bins, which are protected from interference from the victims by a protective grating, and wait a few minutes until all the victims were dead. At this point, the powerful mechanical extractor could be energized sending the poisonous fumes into the atmosphere, drawing fresh air through a small hatchway located above the bins. The bodies could then be moved into the mortuary chamber to await incineration in the adjoining crematory furnaces.

So I wouldn't say I'm contradicting him so much as clarifying and adding that the pellets were kept in a container. Almost no one has talked about this and there isn't good evidence about methods so we can only speculate.

 

[The Tall Man]

The only one I saw was this guy



So I wouldn't say I'm contradicting him so much as clarifying and adding that the pellets were kept in a container. Almost no one has talked about this and there isn't good evidence about methods so we can only speculate.

You are not the sharpest tool in the shed.

two bin-like drawers leading from the gas chamber to the exterior

These are the "bin-like drawers"

Having done this, the operator would close the bins, which are protected from interference from the victims by a protective grating

The protective grating on the right.

open the two bins, and dump part of a small tin of Zyklon-B into each one

The only way you can misunderstand this is if you are really bad at English or intentionally misrepresenting what is written.

They didn't intend to seal the drains off.

So why didn't the gas flow out of the drains?

You will have to be more precise about those drains.
You think the way they look now is a post war renovation.
How did they look during the time the gas-chamber was operational?

 

[Chugger]

You are not the sharpest tool in the shed.

These are the "bin-like drawers"
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The protective grating on the right.


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The only way you can misunderstand this is if you are really bad at English or intentionally misrepresenting what is written.


So why didn't the gas flow out of the drains?

You will have to be more precise about those drains.
You think the way they look now is a post war renovation.
How did they look during the time the gas-chamber was operational?

Like I said I'm speculating. Maybe the purpose of the grates was to stop the victims from opening the bins from the inside. The zyklon pellets fall into the crowded room and start off gassing. Maybe you say they would kick the pellets down the drains, sure, if there were only a few people in the room. But I think if the room is packed full of panicking people that's going to be pretty hard to coordinate. People wouldn't even be able to bend down easily to get to the pellets. I think it would be possible to successfully kill people with gas even if the pellets go right through the grates. Maybe some would get down the drain but not very much.

But what does this have to do with the fake pipes you claimed the Allies put in?

 

[The Tall Man]

Maybe the purpose of the grates was to stop the victims from opening the bins from the outside.

What is that supposed to mean?
Are you still pretending there are some kind of magical off-gassing bins?

The zyklon pellets fall into the crowded room and start off gassing.

Which would take multiple hours. They would have hours to kick towards the drain. A parent could just swallow them all to protect their child.

Maybe some would get down the drain but not very much.

Considering that the off-gassing would take multiple hours, the tiniest airflow through the room would dilute the cyanide gas concentration.
These multiple large drains in the floor would ad multiple times more fresh air into the room than the pellets would add cyanide gas.
And you would end up connecting the inside of the Brausebad with the outside via the drain system. So if the Nazis managed to reach a high enough gas concentration to be lethal inside they would accidentally gas themselves too if the wind goes the wrong way.

 

[Chugger]

Which would take multiple hours. They would have hours to kick towards the drain. A parent could just swallow them all to protect their child.

Not if the room was pre-heated (and then the heater moved out, or it was done through the wall ok). Not if it was so packed they couldn't even see the small scattered pellets, much less bend down.

Considering that the off-gassing would take multiple hours, the tiniest airflow through the room would dilute the cyanide gas concentration.

Zyklon is super cheap, and a much lower concentration is required to kill humans vs lice. They could up the dose by 10x if needed.

And you would end up connecting the inside of the Brausebad with the outside via the drain system.

I'm not even sure if you think the drains were real or what but it wouldn't necessarily have to be connected to the drinking water system.

Right now you've completely moved off your thesis (the gas chamber is an obvious post war forgery) to the tried and true denier methods of, hey this doesn't seem possible to me, therefore the story is bunk.

 

[Bonesjones]

So I wouldn't say I'm contradicting him so much as clarifying and adding that the pellets were kept in a container. Almost no one has talked about this and there isn't good evidence about methods so we can only speculate.

You don't know because you've done zero research, as you'd just admitted. Also I thought the holocaust was the most researched and documented event in history? Why would you need to speculate?

Like I said I'm speculating.

Plenty of evidence exists so you don't have to, or are you saying it doesn't exist?

Maybe the purpose of the grates was to stop the victims from opening the bins from the inside. The zyklon pellets fall into the crowded room and start off gassing.

So they just dumped cans of Zyklon-B into the room? What did they do with it afterwards? Who swept them up? Man this narrative is getting more unteniable by the second.

Maybe you say they would kick the pellets down the drains, sure, if there were only a few people in the room.

So how many people did they gas? Who counted? What evidence do you have?

But I think if the room is packed full of panicking people that's going to be pretty hard to coordinate. People wouldn't even be able to bend down easily to get to the pellets. I think it would be possible to successfully kill people with gas even if the pellets go right through the grates. Maybe some would get down the drain but not very much.

This whole industrialized murder machinery thing is sounding very amatuerish. Why wouldn't they have specific policies and methods set in stone, considering they were doing it all over Europe several times a day

But what does this have to do with the fake pipes you claimed the Allies put in?

You still haven't said what the pipes were used for

Not if the room was pre-heated (and then the heater moved out, or it was done through the wall ok). Not if it was so packed they couldn't even see the small scattered pellets, much less bend down.

So did they put a big oven on wheels in the room? Wheel it out, move people in, empty room, wheel oven back in? How does that make any sense?

I'm not even sure if you think the drains were real or what but it wouldn't necessarily have to be connected to the drinking water system.

Drains are never connected to drinking water. Seeing as one is waste and the other is the opposite.

Right now you've completely moved off your thesis (the gas chamber is an obvious post war forgery) to the tried and true denier methods of, hey this doesn't seem possible to me, therefore the story is bunk.

So at what part do you refute that instead of speculate?

 

[The Tall Man]

Zyklon is super cheap, and a much lower concentration is required to kill humans vs lice. They could up the dose by 10x if needed.

The person in charge of a homicidal gassing need only don a gas mask, open the two bins, and dump part of a small tin of Zyklon-B into each one.

Which is it? Can you construct a coherent, realistic story of the operations of the Brausebad?

I'm not even sure if you think the drains were real or what

I am going with what you think not me.

 

[Chugger]

You don't know because you've done zero research,

I'm speculating because there is a lack of evidence about the specifics of how the chamber operated.

Can you construct a coherent, realistic story of the operations of the Brausebad?

They preheat the room and cram it full of people and then let the Zyklon onto the floor. It's too crowded for people to pick it up the pellets and swallow them. If it's not working introduce more pellets until they find the right amount. Then after everyone is dead, they wait a few hours for the gas to be vented out and then the remove the bodies, sweep up the pellets and mop up. The drain leads to a separate tank.

 

[The Tall Man]

They preheat the room and cram it full of people

Where are the mobile heaters? Since they don't exist the off-gassing will take multiple hours.

The drain leads to a separate tank.

Where are the proofs, you can't just pretend this exists, ergo your way of operating the gas chamber just killed all the Germans.

It's too crowded for people to pick it up the pellets and swallow them.

So they made the fake shower to not panic the Jews, but Nazis trying to cram them into a room so tightly that they can't move wouldn't freak them out?

If it's not working introduce more pellets until they find the right amount.

Literally waiting hours and checking to introduce more pellets, then waiting another hour to see if it was enough.

The way you describe operations would gas the Germans, take multiple hours, and have the potential to create a riot.

You would also have to wait multiple hours before you can clean the room, even if you had adequate air evacuation, since all those pellets on the floor are still off-gassing.

 

[Bonesjones]

The way you describe operations would gas the Germans, take multiple hours, and have the potential to create a riot.

You would also have to wait multiple hours before you can clean the room, even if you had adequate air evacuation, since all those pellets on the floor are still off-gassing.

In a place they admit no one was gassed in, lmao.

I'm speculating because there is a lack of evidence about the specifics of how the chamber operated.

No it's because you are a lazy moron.

They preheat the room and cram it full of people and then let the Zyklon onto the floor. It's too crowded for people to pick it up the pellets and swallow them. If it's not working introduce more pellets until they find the right amount. Then after everyone is dead, they wait a few hours for the gas to be vented out and then the remove the bodies, sweep up the pellets and mop up. The drain leads to a separate tank.

This whole scenario sounds completely in character with an industrialized genocide machine doing it's best to kill jews as fast as possible.

 

[Chugger]

Where are the mobile heaters? Since they don't exist the off-gassing will take multiple hours.

They didn't have access to mobile heaters?

So they made the fake shower to not panic the Jews, but Nazis trying to cram them into a room so tightly that they can't move wouldn't freak them out?

They probably would be freaked out, yeah. But less so because it looked a shower.

Where are the proofs, you can't just pretend this exists, ergo your way of operating the gas chamber just killed all the Germans.

You're right, I've been speculating, which is why this conversation is dumb. I don't know exactly how they planned to use the gas chamber, and it doesn't matter, because there's no good evidence it was even used. The only thing that matters here is your assertion that it proves the existence of a hoax to fake a genocide, something which you've lost track of amidst your long line of questions.

Do you believe the Allies added piping to fake a gas chamber?

 

[Chugger]

This whole scenario sounds completely in character with an industrialized genocide machine doing it's best to kill jews as fast as possible.

Yeah and waddya know, no one believes it was part of any industrialized genocide, as you stated here https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-holocaust-thread.68380/page-276#post-18416816