The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Bonesjones]

It's possible the pipe collapsed, which is understandable after 50 years. Or it may have been air vent pipe.

They don't line up at all, you'd know that if you knew anything about anything. They look vaguely like they could be connected and that's it. I bet you can't even name what that is supposed to be.

I'm going to read through the Mattogno book to find out, so it may take a few days. Is that OK? In the meantime, since you have no trouble answering questions, if the pipes were clearly fake, why didn't Mattogno notice this? You think he's working for the Jews?

So you didn't read it, how do you know he didn't? While scrolling through looking for the pictures you took out of context, I happen to notice a lot of things you missed out on. Why do you do this? I think you are working for the jews.

 

[Chugger]

So you didn't read it, how do you know he didn't?

Cause if he did mention fake pipes revisionists would be talking about the Dachau gas chamber as pivotal evidence of hoax. They aren't. Mattogno in his blurb on the book doesn't mention it being faked, though he gives reasons why it couldn't be a gas chamber and talks about the fully functional drains (which prove to him the showers were real) https://holocausthandbooks.com/book/the-dachau-gas-chamber/

This is the Holocaust Encyclopedia entry (pro revisionist source)

Forensic Findings​

The room in question has six large-size, fully functional floor drains with large sieve buckets underneath to catch hair and other items. One of the showerheads embedded into the ceiling has been removed. Underneath it, an object is visible that looks like a cut-open water pipe. If these showerheads are fake, then there is no other major water source in this room, other than one water pipe in the back wall. Hence, why are there six floor drains? Anyone seriously interested in resolving this riddle would open the ceiling and see what is behind it.

The outer brickwork and mortar around the two “Zyklon” openings in the outer wall show that these openings were not original but were added later, after the wall had been finished. This can also be seen on the inside, where the wall tiles around these openings were removed and “replaced” with plaster, merely made to look like tiles. If these openings were not present when the room was built in 1942/43, then there was no way of adding any poisonous substance. Therefore, this room was not planned as a gas chamber.

It stands to reason that the two openings were added at a time when this room was no longer used as a shower room, but rather as an additional morgue, toward the later part of the war. These openings may have served simply to facilitate ventilating the room, by serving as fresh-air inlets. Alternatively, they may have been deliberately installed in order to align with the popular image of a “gas chamber.”

You guys are both so retarded it's almost becoming endearing.

I didn't read the book just looked at the pictures and the central question is about the pipes anyway according to the Tall Man.

 

[Bonesjones]

Because if he did revisionists would be talking about the Dachau gas chamber as pivotal evidence of hoax. They aren't.

https://www.kz-gedenkstaette-dachau.de/en/historical-site/virtual-tour/crematorium-area/

The dachau website claims no one was gassed there.

You, like everyone arguing for the holocaust, continously use sleight of hand tricks of language to argue that gas chamber means murder room when they clearly mean delousing chambers. There's even photos of all the clothing on racks outside of the delousing chambers.

Mattogno in his blurb on the book doesn't mention it being faked, though he gives reasons why it couldn't be a gas chamber and talks about the fully functional drains (which prove to him the showers were real)

So he says it's fake but that doesn't mean it's a hoax? Master of language you are. The Dachau website also says it was used as a morgue, in which you would need drains.

You guys are both so retarded it's almost becoming endearing.

You literally can't go a post without contradicting yourself.

I didn't read the book just looked at the pictures and the central question is about the pipes anyway according to the Tall Man.

"Yeah I didn't read it, except to find out of context info to support my case while also ignoring anything that contradicts it, even if it's on the same page". Yeah we know your M.O.

 

[Chugger]

The dachau website claims no one was gassed there.

It says there's no evidence of gassing on a mass scale, so what?

 

[Bonesjones]

It says there's no evidence of gassing on a mass scale, so what?

So why did they build a fake gas chamber?

 

[Chugger]

So why did they build a fake gas chamber?

Yeah it is weird the Jews built a whole elaborate gas chamber thing but couldn't get anyone to give clear testimony about it being used for killing. Maybe they did that cause it's kind of a curveball.

 

[Devout Muslim]

Whenever I hear the word HOLOCAUST I immediately think A PLEASING ODOUR FOR THE LORD.

 

[Chugger]

Ok I found out what the pipes are, or I found out what Mattogno says they are

They're not fake pipes lol. They're not water pipes either. They're for extracting air.

Is this the end of the Great Pipe Saga? I think not, I have too much faith in the resolve of our two stalwart Dunning Kruger sufferers. But they may find it harder to argue against the findings of a Holocaust denier.

 

[PandaChai]

me if it's been posted a hundred times already, and my apologies for interrupting a long running back-and-forth, but wasn't it supposed to be gas from dummy shower heads? What's this about pellets through holes in the walls/ceiling?

 

[Rich Evans Simp]

I was always taught that the Jews were killed in gas chambers after being told they were going to be deloused/showered. Why did they need to trick the prisoners into believing that they were going into a shower room? Just to fuck with them? If they just said “lol you’re all getting gassed to death” and they started to run or fight or whatever, they could have just gunned them down, set dogs on them, killed them later when they couldn’t escape the fenced-in area or what?

 

[Chugger]

I was always taught that the Jews were killed in gas chambers after being told they were going to be deloused/showered. Why did they need to trick the prisoners into believing that they were going into a shower room? Just to fuck with them? If they just said “lol you’re all getting gassed to death” and they started to run or fight or whatever, they could have just gunned them down, set dogs on them, killed them later when they couldn’t escape the fenced-in area or what?

I think you answered your own question. They didn't want have to hunt down, fight, set dogs on people.

me if it's been posted a hundred times already, and my apologies for interrupting a long running back-and-forth, but wasn't it supposed to be gas from dummy shower heads? What's this about pellets through holes in the walls/ceiling?

There's no credible sources (like direct witnesses) that attest to gas through showerheads so you've been misinformed.

 

[Bonesjones]

Yeah it is weird the Jews built a whole elaborate gas chamber thing but couldn't get anyone to give clear testimony about it being used for killing. Maybe they did that cause it's kind of a curveball

So why would they need to make stuff up then? How does it fit?

They're not fake pipes lol. They're not water pipes either. They're for extracting air.

Yes they are, I showed how they weren't connected to anything, which you conveniently left out.

Is this the end of the Great Pipe Saga? I think not, I have too much faith in the resolve of our two stalwart Dunning Kruger sufferers. But they may find it harder to argue against the findings of a Holocaust denier.

No because you are trying to piecemeal facts together to support obvious lies.

I think you answered your own question. They didn't want have to hunt down, fight, set dogs on people.

Why wouldn't they? They wanted to kill them all. How much fun it would be to chase them down and kill them instead of just standing around while they died.

There's no credible sources (like direct witnesses) that attest to gas through showerheads so you've been misinformed.

So a direct eye witness claims otherwise, even if he is wrong about certain things. He acknowledged that it was revised between original construction and after the allies had captured the camp. Crazy how you keep leaving out any info that destroys your own argument. How typical of you.

 

[The Tall Man]

Ok I found out what the pipes are, or I found out what Mattogno says they are

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They're not fake pipes lol. They're not water pipes either. They're for extracting air.

Is this the end of the Great Pipe Saga? I think not, I have too much faith in the resolve of our two stalwart Dunning Kruger sufferers. But they may find it harder to argue against the findings of a Holocaust denier.

Very sneaky of you to not tag me, but I know you are a shift kinda guy.
Come on now, repeat Mattogno's full explanation, you loveable scoundrel.

me if it's been posted a hundred times already, and my apologies for interrupting a long running back-and-forth, but wasn't it supposed to be gas from dummy shower heads? What's this about pellets through holes in the walls/ceiling?

There's no credible sources (like direct witnesses) that attest to gas through showerheads so you've been misinformed.

The Chavez Report from the The Nuremberg Tribunal , dated 7 May 1945

“The new [crematorium] building had a gas chamber for executions… The gas chamber was labeled ‘shower room’ over the entrance and was a large room with airtight doors and double-glassed lights, sealed and gas proof. The ceiling was studded with dummy shower heads. A small observation peephole, double-glassed and hermetically sealed, was used to observe the conditions of the victims. There were grates in the floor. Hydrogen cyanide was mixed in the room below, and rose into the gas chamber and out the top vents.”

Fun fact the building doesn't even have a basement.

A visit by some prominent journalists on May 2, arranged by General Eisenhower, was reported in the New York Times:

One of the worst death traps seen by the party was a gas chamber at Dachau disguised as a bathhouse. Mr. [Gideon] Seymour described it as a room about 30 by 20 feet square, with 25 rows of perforated pipes overhead. There were no water connections to the showers, but instead the pipes were supplied from the same gas pipes that led to the cremation chambers. … In the chamber walls, Mr. Seymour said, were small glass ‘peepholes’ through which the German guards could observe the dying agonies of the condemned. (9 May 1945, p. 17)

I was always taught that the Jews were killed in gas chambers after being told they were going to be deloused/showered. Why did they need to trick the prisoners into believing that they were going into a shower room?

I assume that the OSS started the "Nazi showers are actually gas chambers" rumor in the hopes that prisoners would riot or avoid hygiene which would spread Typhus and cause trouble for the Germans.

@Chugger I am not satisfied with your half answer, repeat Mattogno's actual full explanation or make your own rational proper full explanation.

 

[Chugger]

@The Tall Man

I can't reply to your posts for some reason, probably too long.

Let's see Mattogno's full explanation about the pipes.

 

[The Tall Man]

@The Tall Man

I can't reply to your posts for some reason, probably too long.

Let's see Mattogno's full explanation about the pipes.

Just to make this clear, I want your explanation for what the scary pipes are for. So if you don't agree with Mattogno, then I still want your actual explanation.

 

[Chugger]

Just to make this clear, I want your explanation for what the scary pipes are for. So if you don't agree with Mattogno, then I still want your actual explanation.

Mattogno said they were air extraction pipes (the ones in docs 15-18 ), so that's what I'm going with. I'm not going to read any more of that book so if you're saying there's a alternate or added explanation in there, post it.

 

[Bonesjones]

@The Tall Man

I can't reply to your posts for some reason, probably too long.

Let's see Mattogno's full explanation about the pipes.

The expert witness that attested to seeing people gassed describes chlorine smell, but cyanide leaves an almond smell. So he's either mistaken or lying. He also doesn't describe the bright pink skin either. He also says no autopsy was performed but mentions they had a disection room where they did autopsies. Hmm.

Also it's pretty clear you didn't read any of it, you just searched for gas chamber and hoped you could make it fit. Always with the absolute lazy effort. What's the point?

 

[Chugger]

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The expert witness that attested to seeing people gassed describes chlorine smell, but cyanide leaves an almond smell. So he's either mistaken or lying. He also doesn't describe the bright pink skin either. He also says no autopsy was performed but mentions they had a disection room where they did autopsies. Hmm.

Also it's pretty clear you didn't read any of it, you just searched for gas chamber and hoped you could make it fit. Always with the absolute lazy effort. What's the point?

Yeah Mattogno's a retard (which I guess makes you guys double or triple retards) so I'm not going to read all or most of his dumb book. But what does this passage have to do with fake pipes?

 

[Bonesjones]

Yeah Mattogno's a retard (which I guess makes you guys double or triple retards) so I'm not going to read all or most of his dumb book. But what does this passage have to do with fake pipes?

I thought you were going to read all of it and get back to us, and now you admit you read none of it. So you get sour grapes I actually read it and poke holes in your story. What a sad miserable person you are.

The whole book is comparing the accounts of a variety of people in conjunction with the available evidence both physical, written, and testimonial. Cross referencing what someone says they saw and did with what available physical evidence exists and the timeline of how it all fits together is called doing historical scientific study. Not that you understand those terms.

I just hope when the Jewish courts put me to trial for holocaust denial, I'll force them to read out loud that Chugger is an ultra nigger retarded faggot over and over again.

 

[The Tall Man]

Mattogno said they were air extraction pipes (the ones in docs 15-18 ), so that's what I'm going with. I'm not going to read anymore of that book so if you're saying there's a alternate or added explanation in there, post it.

You are my favorite guy Chugger.
So you are going with half of Pressac’s explanation that get's debunked by Mattogno in the very book you linked.

Anyway, I am glad you have finally joined the holocaust revisionists.

Let's have a listen and see what the Holocaust Experts actually believe.

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This is the Brausebad the shower bath.
Inside the shower bath the gas vents.
On the ceiling the dummy shower heads.
In the Engineer's Room the intake and outlet pipe.
Pushbuttons to control inflow and outtake of gas.
A hand valve to regulate pressure.
Cyanide powder was used to generate the lethal smoke.