The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Chugger]

You are my favorite guy Chugger.
So you are going with half of Pressac’s explanation that get's debunked by Mattogno in the very book you linked.

It was Mattogno who said the pipes were for air extraction, so I have no idea what you're talking about. We can move onto the other issues once we've finished with what you called the "central question" and asked me about a million times as if it meant something: "What are all the scary pipes for?"

 

[The Tall Man]

It was Mattogno who said the pipes were for air extraction, so I have no idea what you're talking about. We can move onto the other issues once we've finished with what you called the "central question" and asked me about a million times as if it meant something: "What are all the scary pipes for?"

No need to get sulky.
The central question always was why did the Nazis build a fake gas chamber and you seem to reach a similar conclusion to me going by your answer regarding the pipes.

But let's move on from the pipes.

How did they clean out the room?
Were the drains always sealed like holocaust historians say or do you have some alternate explanation.
You obviously think the Nazis would need to wash down the Brausebad.

There's another explanation for why there were water pipes leading into the room. When people die like that they vomit, shit, bleed. You wash it with water and it goes down the large drains, which explains their existence as well.

So what about the drains?

 

[Chugger]

No need to get sulky.
The central question always was why did the Nazis build a fake gas chamber and you seem to reach a similar conclusion to me going by your answer regarding the pipes.

But let's move on from the pipes.

Actually before we move on I want to ask you a question. A question for a question seems fair. You asked me about the "scary pipes" and I went and found an answer for you.

In this post you definitively say that this was the central question "What are all the scary pipes for?"

And then you asked me about it over and over again, as I pointed out to you repeatedly why it was a dumb question and your methodological approach was flawed. You also confidently called them "water pipes", and stated they were fake pipes that "begin and end in the wall".

My question is this: looking back at the Great Pipe Saga, how do you evaluate your approach?

Basically I'm asking this because as I see it your overall approach to history, eg making historical assertions, is completely fucked and so it's a waste of time for me to even continue with you because the entertainment value is dropping.

 

[Bonesjones]

It was Mattogno who said the pipes were for air extraction, so I have no idea what you're talking about. We can move onto the other issues once we've finished with what you called the "central question" and asked me about a million times as if it meant something: "What are all the scary pipes for?"

If only you read the document you provided you could answer that.

Actually before we move on I want to ask you a question. A question for a question seems fair. You asked me about the "scary pipes" and I went and found an answer for you.

Why did you not find your own answer and instead answer with someone else's?

And then you asked me about it over and over again, as I pointed out to you repeatedly why it was a dumb question and your methodological approach was flawed.

Because you keep dodging the question, instead of answering it.

You also confidently called them "water pipes", and stated they were fake pipes that "begin and end in the wall".

So being wrong is ok when you do it?

My question is this: looking back at the Great Pipe Saga, how do you evaluate your approach?

The same as always, why do you never answer questions directly? Why do you give partial information that directly contradicts what you say it does?

Basically I'm asking this because as I see it your overall approach to history, eg making historical assertions, is completely fucked and so it's a waste of time for me to even continue with you because the entertainment value is dropping.

Oh no it's not fun for you, how sad. If only you were arguing for a point and not fun, maybe it would be different. So why do you argue here?

 

[The Tall Man]

you definitively say that this was the central question "What are all the scary pipes for?"

My question is this: looking back at the Great Pipe Saga, how do you evaluate your approach?

It was the question I wanted answered at that point, yes.
It is really hard, as evident in this thread, to get you to answer a single question, so let's not get stuck in the weeds again.
My approach is that I am just a silly guy; no need to wonder about my approach.

So how did they wash the room if the drains are fake?

 

[Bonesjones]

It was the question I wanted answered at that point, yes.
It is really hard, as evident in this thread, to get you to answer a single question, so let's not get stuck in the weeds again.
My approach is that I am just a silly guy; no need to wonder about my approach.

So how did they wash the room if the drains are fake?

He refuses to answer questions because every time he does he inadvertently posts how he's a holocaust denier.

 

[The Tall Man]

He refuses to answer questions because every time he does he inadvertently posts how he's a holocaust denier.

I feel he completely won that round against me.
He debunked that the pipes are water pipes.
He did miss that Mattogno concluded that these are hot water pipes for a real shower room, but everyone makes mistakes.
The pipes originate from the boiler room and go to the ceiling of the Brausebad, could be anything.

He also spotted the problem with the drains, he is a smart guy.
@Chugger Did you find out what's up with the drains?

 

[Chugger]

He did miss that Mattogno concluded that these are hot water pipes for a real shower room, but everyone makes mistakes.

You still haven't presented where he says that, as I did with the passage I found. I didn't read the book but it makes sense he would make that argument since his theory is that the "gas chamber" was really a shower, so air ventilation doesn't really fit. What he doesn't do, this I am 100% positive of, is make the argument that the pipes were fake ("begin and end at the wall) and planted there to scare visiting dignitaries. Even if we accept Mattogno's theory about the pipes, it still contradicts your own view of the pipes being fake. Basically you're going to have to make the argument that whatever is going up in the attic is also fake, which he didn't see despite giving it a lot of thought. In fact he says the attic is "definitely original".

The Great Pipe Saga continues.

 

[PandaChai]

So "in some death camps, gas chambers were disguised as shower rooms", but there were also holes in the walls/ceiling from which pellets were dropped in? That does seem a little needlessly complex. It would be (nice is the wrong word, but) nice to know which camps had these "disguised" gas chambers.

Spoiler: Sign Text

Showerheads. At Majdanek, prisoners selected for labor were forced to shower upon arrival. In some death camps, gas chambers were disguised as shower rooms.
Courtesy of Michael and Ginger Jacobs.
Dallas Holocaust and Human Rights Museum.

edit: I knew I'd remember something as soon as I hit post. I remembered a segment from that Spielberg thing we watched in school too:

 

[Chugger]

So "in some death camps, gas chambers were disguised as shower rooms", but there were also holes in the walls/ceiling from which pellets were dropped in? That does seem a little needlessly complex. It would be (nice is the wrong word, but) nice to know which camps had these "disguised" gas chambers.

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Spoiler: Sign Text

Showerheads. At Majdanek, prisoners selected for labor were forced to shower upon arrival. In some death camps, gas chambers were disguised as shower rooms.
Courtesy of Michael and Ginger Jacobs.
Dallas Holocaust and Human Rights Museum.

edit: I knew I'd remember something as soon as I hit post. I remembered a segment from that Spielberg thing we watched in school too:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YvZ8wU6jCCo

As far as I'm aware at the major death camps (where people were killed in assembly line fashion more or less) it was always under the pretense of shower. There were other places where limited gassings occurred where no such pretense was given. An example of this would be at Stutthof. http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_stutthof.html

The vast majority of those gassed, like 99+%, were killed in the major death camps.

If you notice in that video she doesn't say she saw gas come out of the showerheads. This was just a prevalent rumor at the time. Many Jews were aware of their fate more or less, with only the details being cloudy. See for instance the October 18 entry here http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/othercamps/auschkremerdiary.html

 

[The Tall Man]

The Great Pipe Saga continues.

Just for you since you missed it on page 67.




Come on, Chugger, you already won that one. You have already sufficiently debunked the holocaust historians on that point. Let's move on.

What about the drains? Were they always closed, or were they open? There had to be some way to efficiently clean the Brausebad.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

The Tall Man is just another Dunning Kruger sufferer that has roped you all into his bullshit.

You have no idea how correct you are. I got into an argument with him about something in the book of Obidiah, proved him wrong by showing him a majority opinion in the Talmud that exactly answered his question. What this nigga does is reject that as not a real opinion, takes my words out of context, claims he "won" the argument, and follows me around for months on the forum trying to gloat how he beat me. You literally can't win, if you prove something definitively he will just reject the evidence.

As Sartre writes in Anti Semite and Jew

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

 

[Chugger]

Just for you since you missed it on page 67.
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Come on, Chugger, you already won that one. You have already sufficiently debunked the holocaust historians on that point. Let's move on.

Well do you still think the pipes are fake?

I had quoted Mattogno seemingly agreeing with the mainstream view. I myself am no pipe expert so based on appearance alone I can't determine, but they do look a lot like how other air vent pipes do.

 

[The Tall Man]

You have no idea how correct you are. I got into an argument with him about something in the book of Obidiah, proved him wrong by showing him a majority opinion in the Talmud that exactly answered his question. What this nigga does is reject that as not a real opinion, takes my words out of context, claims he "won" the argument, and follows me around for months on the forum trying to gloat how he beat me. You literally can't win, if you prove something definitively he will just reject the evidence.

As Sartre writes in Anti Semite and Jew

Kiwi Jews, I really like you. You don't have to be scared of me; I promise I won't holocaust you. So feel free to tag me when talking about me.
LMAO you are still seething so hard about me quoting you.

The West = edom/esau

Beit Yakkov (House of Israel) and Beit Yosef (house of Joseph) burn Beit Edom (house of Edom) to stubble.

Come on Rainbow tell us all how you actually meant it.

I have a special treat for you.
You always complain about me posting Mizrachi or Chabad rabbis stating out right that all White people need to be completeley eradicated and claim they are fringe and extreme.

Here is some disgusting Reform Judaism for you.

https://odysee.com/@martinezperspective:2/rabbi-amalek:4

Anyway Rainbow this is not the place and time for me to make you expose how fucked up Judaism is again.
Me and Chugger are debunking the holocaust historians here, so move along.

Your quote is the most obvious projection. You are the one who always runs away from me, the one that "if you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent." You don't even tag me, you coward.

If you can't get over it, then make a thread, get some support from fellow Kiwi Jews, and I am happy to debate your sick, disgusting, and genocidal religion with you.

Well do you still think the pipes are fake?

I am not completely happy with your half assed answer tbh, but it's good enough since it denies holocaust orthodoxy.

I am concerned you will just steal my answer or change your answer once I give mine, but if you clearly state what each pipe is for, then I will give you my rational explanation. No joke answer or I don't know answer allowed.


What was pipe 3a for?
What was pipe 3b for?

What was pipe 5c for?
What was pipe 5b for?

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

I am happy to debate your sick, disgusting, and genocidal religion with you.

Not interested in talking with someone who lies and takes stuff out of context as you continually do and just did. Just pointing out to chugger how no one can win in an argument against you because you refuse to acknowledge any evidence that disagrees with you. Avodah Zara 10B buck broke you.

 

[The Tall Man]

Not interested in talking with someone who lies and takes stuff out of context as you continually do and just did. Just pointing out to chugger how no one can win in an argument against you because you refuse to acknowledge any evidence that disagrees with you. Avodah Zara 10B buck broke you.

and takes stuff out of context

I quote you with a link, literally posting the context you midwit.


Let me quote Sartre

If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent

 

[Chugger]

I am concerned you will just steal my answer or change your answer once I give mine, but if you clearly state what each pipe is for, then I will give you my rational explanation. No joke answer or I don't know answer allowed.

As I said I am no pipe expert and I don't really care. What I care about is your claim that they are fake pipes and were put there to scare people or elicit an emotional response. Are you backing off this claim?

 

[The Tall Man]

As I said I am no pipe expert and I don't really care. What I care about is your claim that they are fake pipes and were put there to scare people or elicit an emotional response. Are you backing off this claim?

I will answer your questions once you answered those I asked you five pages ago.

Chugger it took me an endless number of post to get you to answer one question.
In that time I have answered multiple of your questions, you are simple derailing the original discussion again.

Let's get back on track.

Since it's so hard for you to answer a question, feel free to choose just one for now.
Why did they drop the Zyklon B pellets on the floor in a room without any heating and not use a fumigation device?
What about the drains? Were they always closed, or were they open? There had to be some way to efficiently clean the Brausebad.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

I quote you with a link, literally posting the context you midwit.

Then read the rest of what I wrote instead of cherry picking.

The full context for first is:

Essentially Islam= Ishmael
The West = edom/esau (rabbi Judah the prince maintains that identification of Edom with the West only applies to evil doers who act like Esau, normal people aren't considered Edomites)

Where I explain how normal people aren't considered edomites

The second quotes context is:

Its literally the Talmudic take on it from one of the most important contributors who regularly interacted with Edomites. I checked the prophecy in the original Hebrew just for you and it talks about Beit Yakkov (House of Israel) and Beit Yosef (house of Joseph) burning Beit Edom (house of Edom) to stubble.

Where I explain what the prophecy says and disagree with him that a Talmudic opinion is fringe.

They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert.

 

[The Tall Man]

Then read the rest of what I wrote instead of cherry picking.

I am not going to quote your entire wall of text if it is linked and anyone can check it out with one click.

Do you hold yourself to the standard of always quoting everything that is part of the context? Or are you just seething about this specific instance?

Yes, I read the passage where the two guys who were ultra Shabbos goys were not destroyed out of the entire nation. A Shabbos goy that literally saved 100 prophets according to your psychotic religion. So, according to this, all the babies, mothers, and fathers were evil except those two ultra Shabbos goys.

You torture and sacrifice animals to transfer your own sins, you bite off the tips of baby penises, you have multiple celebrations for genocides you committed (some are definitely just made up). Your orthodox community is infested with pedophilia that you run cover for, "it's just grandfather love".
Have you ever asked yourself, "Are we the bad guys?" no you don't because the trauma based mind control makes you think that the goyim are out to holocaust all the Jews. Esau hates Jakob after all.

Nigger-Kike could you stop off topic sperging and make a thread if you want to discuss this with me.
This is the holocaust thread, Sir.