The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[TJT]

IDK man. I will take any rational explanation as to why the premier death chamber of the lolcaust has inexplicable machinery that does nothing and never did anything.

Can we get that?

 

[Chugger]

So what are all the scary pipes for that have no inlet or outlet, they are just pipe u joints stuck into the wall?
Why did they drop the Zyklon B pellets on the floor in a room without any heating and not use a fumigation device?

Can you provide some proof this is not a faux gas chamber?

You're again asserting things that don't comport with what historians believe ("pipe joints stuck in walls", "zyklon dropped on floor", "faux gas chamber").

You haven't even put together a cogent argument about why it is fake chamber, so there's nothing for me to say.

IDK man. I will take any rational explanation as to why the premier death chamber of the lolcaust has inexplicable machinery that does nothing and never did anything.

Can we get that?

It's not the premier death chamber, mass killings aren't even believed to have been conducted there.

Regarding machinery, you've just retard shouted 'look weird machines!' which is not a substitute for an actual argument. As far as I can tell, no argument along these lines has been made by revisionists who are infinitely more qualified than you guys. In fact, looking at something like this https://holocausthandbooks.com/book/the-dachau-gas-chamber/ the revisionist understanding is the gas chamber was a shower room, evidenced by the large drains.

The Tall Man is just another Dunning Kruger sufferer that has roped you all into his bullshit. Mattogno (the author of the Dachau book) himself is effectively retarded despite having extensive familiarity with all the orthodox arguments, main body of evidence, understands German, etc. You guys have none of this which makes you exponentially more retarded, and simply comical to converse with from my perspective.

 

[The Tall Man]

That's a lot of words that don't even try to address any of my question.

what historians believe

So what do they believe the pipes do?

zyklon dropped on floor"

So what do the (((historians))) believe happened to the Zyklon B?


Let's try this again Chugger.

So what are all the scary pipes for that have no inlet or outlet, they are just pipe u joints stuck into the wall?
Why did they drop the Zyklon B pellets on the floor in a room without any heating and not use a fumigation device?

Can you provide some proof this is not a faux gas chamber?

 

[Chugger]

So what do they believe the pipes do?

I don't know.

So what do the (((historians))) believe happened to the Zyklon B?

I already quoted this to you. "Further evidence of its design as a homicidal chamber are the two bin-like drawers leading from the gas chamber to the exterior. The only possible explanation for these bins is that they were designed to receive the granules of Zyklon-B (or some other lethal volatile poison) from a small tin. The person in charge of a homicidal gassing need only don a gas mask, open the two bins, and dump part of a small tin of Zyklon-B into each one. Having done this, the operator would close the bins, which are protected from interference from the victims by a protective grating, and wait a few minutes until all the victims were dead. At this point, the powerful mechanical extractor could be energized sending the poisonous fumes into the atmosphere, drawing fresh air through a small hatchway located above the bins. The bodies could then be moved into the mortuary chamber to await incineration in the adjoining crematory furnaces."

So what are all the scary pipes for that have no inlet or outlet, they are just pipe u joints stuck into the wall?

Why do you believe they have "no inlet or outlet" or are just "joints stuck into the wall"? I can't answer your question because I don't agree with these conclusions. But I can tell you that if there was evidence of this, revisionists would have used it in their arguments. It would be a clear sign of post-war fabrication. They don't.

Why did they drop the Zyklon B pellets on the floor in a room without any heating and not use a fumigation device?

I can't answer your question because I don't agree with these conclusions. It's not even clear that the chamber was ever even used for homicidal purposes.

Can you provide some proof this is not a faux gas chamber?

I think the onus is on you to prove it was a faux gas chamber if that's your assertion. Witness and documentary evidence suggests it was built during the war

Dr. Sigmund Rascher Munich Togerstr. 56 August 9, 1942 Esteemed Reichsführer! As you know, the same installation as in Linz is to be built in Dachau. As the 'invalid transports' terminate in the special chambers anyway I wondered if it would be possible to test the effects of our combat gases in these chambers using the persons who are destined for those chambers anyway. The only reports which are available so far are for experiments on animals or of accidents in the manufacture of these gases. (signed) S. Rascher 28

 

[The Tall Man]

I can't answer your question because I don't agree with these conclusions. It's not even clear that the chamber was ever even used for homicidal purposes.

Further evidence of its design as a homicidal chamber are the two bin-like drawers leading from the gas chamber to the exterior. The only possible explanation for these bins is that they were designed to receive the granules of Zyklon-B (or some other lethal volatile poison) from a small tin. The person in charge of a homicidal gassing need only don a gas mask, open the two bins, and dump part of a small tin of Zyklon-B into each one. Having done this, the operator would close the bins, which are protected from interference from the victims by a protective grating, and wait a few minutes until all the victims were dead.

Nice self deboonking.

This is the inside view of the chutes.
If you drop a granulate like Zyklon B into there some will get stuck on the grates and most will fall to the floor.
If you disagree with this rather obvious conclusion, say so and make your case and if you agree then answer my question.

So why did they drop the Zyklon B pellets on the cold floor and didn't use fumigation device?

Do you know why Zyklon B is in pellet form?

I don't know.

I want you to find the outlet for those big old pipes. There are plenty of photos and videos of Dachau.
You are the one making the claim that they serve a purpose, then come up with a rational explanation.
You can also just admit that they don't serve any purpose other than looking scary for the congressmen visiting.

Dr. Sigmund Rascher Munich Togerstr. 56 August 9, 1942 Esteemed Reichsführer! As you know, the same installation as in Linz is to be built in Dachau. As the 'invalid transports' terminate in the special chambers anyway I wondered if it would be possible to test the effects of our combat gases in these chambers using the persons who are destined for those chambers anyway. The only reports which are available so far are for experiments on animals or of accidents in the manufacture of these gases. (signed) S. Rascher 28

That is very considerate of you to admit to this.
So you believe this "gas chamber" isn't some freak accident but a prime example of the systematic extermination of Jacob by Esau.
Noted.

 

[Chugger]

If you drop a granulate like Zyklon B into there some will get stuck on the grates and most will fall to the floor.
If you disagree with this rather obvious conclusion, say so and make your case and if you agree then answer my question.

That's if the surface was slanted all the way down. If it levels out most of the pellets will just come to rest. It's also possible they're kept in a bin of some sort that's slid down and comes to rest at the grates, hard to tell from the description given by the historian. Then they off gas like Zyklon does at room temps.

I want you to find the outlet for those big old pipes. There are plenty of photos and videos of Dachau.
You are the one making the claim that they serve a purpose, then come up with a rational explanation

I told you, I don't know what they're for. Maybe heating, maybe water.

So you believe this "gas chamber" isn't some freak accident but a prime example of the systematic extermination of Jacob by Esau.
Noted.

No, as an example it barely registers. Like historians say, there's no clear evidence people were even killed there. Jews were a minority in the camp anyway. You're a Dunning Kruger dummy.

 

[The Tall Man]

No

Yes

As you know, the same installation as in Linz is to be built in Dachau. As the 'invalid transports' terminate in the special chambers anyway I wondered if it would be possible to test the effects of our combat gases in these chambers using the persons who are destined for those chambers anyway. The only reports which are available so far are for experiments on animals or of accidents in the manufacture of these gases.

That's if the surface was slanted. If it was level most of the pellets will just come to rest. Then they off gas like Zyklon does at room temps..

Are you now pretending you lost your glasses?
You can clearly see that it is extremely slanted.


Good how long would it take for Zyklon B to off gas in a room without any heating in Bavaria on a stone floor during the cold season?
For pure HCN it would take multiple hours.
Zyklon B has retarding agents that would increase the time it takes, plus since it's infused into a porous material the amount of liquid directly exposed to the air is smaller further increasing the time it would take to turn into gas.

Why did they drop the Zyklon B pellets on the cold floor in an room without heating and not use a fumigation device?

I told you, I don't know what they're for. Maybe heating, maybe water.

I don't know, isn't good enough.
Where are the radiators?
Where are the outlets for the water?

So what are all the scary pipes for that have no inlet or outlet, they are just pipe u joints stuck into the wall?
Can you provide some proof this is not a faux gas chamber?

You haven't answered a single question I asked you.

 

[Chugger]

You can clearly see that it is extremely slanted.

I edited my response above basically as your post was coming out. The historian speaks of bins which are defined as "a receptacle for storing a specified substance." So the bins were likely to be lowered, come to rest at the grates, zyklon in them off gasses, and they cannot be messed with due to the grates.

Good how long would it take for Zyklon B to off gas in a room without any heating in Bavaria on a stone floor during the cold season?

https://www.warsendshop.com/products/original-wwii-large-katalyt-space-heater-die-sonne-im-winter

I don't know, isn't good enough.
Where are the radiators?
Where are the outlets for the water?

I'll tell you what, pay for my ticket and time and I'll go visit Dachau and get these answers for you. Or you do it. Until then I wouldn't run with this theory. You do realize that revisionists aren't using it. Here's a question for you. If what you are saying is so obvious, how come no one has done it until you? What are your qualifications btw?

 

[The Tall Man]

So the bins were likely to be lowered, come to rest at the grates, zyklon in them off gasses, and they cannot be messed with due to the grates.

That is not what historians say, they say the Zyklon B pellets were dropped into the receptacles.
But let's go with your fan fiction, can you provide evidence of those off gassing bins?

https://www.warsendshop.com/products/original-wwii-large-katalyt-space-heater-die-sonne-im-winter

Of course, now everything makes sense: they put five of these space heaters into the Brausebad and told the Jews that if they touch them, Hashem would be mad.

This is one of the most ridiculous things you typed so far, nearly as bad as comparing the amount of people living within the borders of Japan with the total amount of Jews worldwide.

I'll tell you what, pay for my ticket and time and I'll go visit Dachau and get these answers for you. Or you do it. Until then I wouldn't run with this theory.

You need to see it in person? You are unable to search for photos and videos online?
Do you think I am currently at Dachau and all these photos I posted have been taken by me?

You do realize that revisionists aren't using it.

Because professional Holocaust propagandist aka Holocaust historians are smart enough to never touch the Dachau gas chamber at all, they just ignore it.
That is why the Holocaust-Torah "The Holocaust: The Destruction of the European Jews" doesn't talk about the Dachau gas chamber.

What are your qualifications btw?

Me running circles around you.


See how easy it is for me to answer your questions truthfully. I don't come up with pathetic excuses like; pay me a plane ticket to Dachau and I will answer you.

So again can you answer at least one of these question?
Where are the radiators?
Where are the outlets for the water?
Where are the special off gassing bins? You can also draw me what you think they looked like and how they worked.
Why did they drop the Zyklon B pellets on the cold floor in an room without heating and not use a fumigation device?
So what are all the scary pipes for that have no inlet or outlet, they are just pipe u joints stuck into the wall?
Can you provide some proof this is not a faux gas chamber?

 

[Bonesjones]

You guys are the ones trying to prove a conspiracy without a basis in direct evidence (for example a witness saying the gas chambers were constructed post-war), so the ball's in your court.

There is no conspiracy, we are looking at direct physical evidence leftover. It's there and has to be explained. It didn't magically appear. You can't refute physical evidence with faulty testimony. You have to explain why a thing is there, was put there, who put it there. That's why you fail, you try to deny hard facts with soft lies.

No, it's definitely because I disagree with the premises of his questions.

Of course you do that's why it's a debate you embarrassing retard.

From pg 50 to 150 I am presenting evidence non-stop. If you want go through my posts one by one and try to debunk.

Yeah we already did that, so keep current instead of dodging questions and attempting to get people to look anywhere but here. Present your facts or fuck off. Stop linking huge documents and post the relevant parts. You exist to waste time with nothing because you are paid to do so. There is no other explanation for your pitiful attempts at holocaust promotion.

Hold on bro, I think I can prove that you're a retard. Do you think the points you are making now are very obvious? Like anyone with half a brain would understand that the Dachau gas chamber is a post-war forgery based on the evidence you've presented?

You fail at doing that. If there are fake utilities to make a room seem like a gas chamber when it's not, it's proof of fraud and debunks the holocaust. You don't need to create additional evidence to prove someone is guilty, you do it to frame someone who is not.

You're asking a question with an in-built conclusion that either the Nazis or the Allies built a fake gas chamber. I don't accept this, and I've told you so, but you keep stating it. Is this something that's incontrovertible for you? I should just blankly accept this, it's a statement as obviously true as something like 'people breathe oxygen'?

Yes physical evidence does have built in conclusions. It exists and someone had to put it there. You don't accept anything that destroys your arguments because you are an ideological motivated retard. So again, explain why it's there and who put it there or admit your defeat. (This will never happen). You'd argue the sky is green if a jew wrote it down in a book labeled holocaust.

 

[Chugger]

Because professional Holocaust propagandist aka Holocaust historians are smart enough to never touch the Dachau gas chamber at all, they just ignore it.
That is why the Holocaust-Torah "The Holocaust: The Destruction of the European Jews" doesn't talk about the Dachau gas chamber.

I wasn't talking about Holocaust scholars, but revisionists. They haven't run with your fake machinery theory. Carlo Mattogno wrote a whole book about it https://holocausthandbooks.com/book/the-dachau-gas-chamber/
Certainly he's visited and thoroughly inspected the premises.

Do you know more about the gas chamber than he does?

 

[The Tall Man]

I wasn't talking about Holocaust scholars, but revisionists. They haven't run with your fake machinery theory. Carlo Mattogno wrote a whole book about it https://holocausthandbooks.com/book/the-dachau-gas-chamber/
Certainly he's visited and thoroughly inspected the premises.

Do you know more about the gas chamber than he does?

What does he say that contradicts what I have stated, and what is his evidence?
Very cool of you to ignore all my questions again and link me to an entire book without quoting a specific passage.
Here is my counterargument. You can find all the relevant information here


I seem to have overwhelmed your mind, so let's drop all the extra questions and stick with the central one.

What are all the scary pipes for?

 

[Chugger]

What does he say that contradicts what I have stated, and what is his evidence?
Very cool of you to ignore all my questions again and link me to an entire book without quoting a specific passage.
Here is my counterargument. You can find all the relevant information here


I seem to have overwhelmed your mind, so let's drop all the extra questions and stick with the central one.

What are all the scary pipes for?

Ok man let's talk about the pipes. You think they're fake. Why exactly? Is it because I haven't proven to you that they're real or do you have other reasons?

 

[The Tall Man]

Ok man let's talk about the pipes. You think they're fake. Why exactly? Is it because I haven't proven to you that they're real or do you have other reasons?

We are now three pages deep, and you still have not answered a simple question.

You have played dumb, pretended you couldn't see, tried to direct the conversation in a different direction, and tried to ignore the question.
You have done everything but answer the question.
I have answered countless of your questions.

What are all the scary pipes for?

 

[Chugger]

What are all the scary pipes for?

What scary pipes? I see pipes man.

 

[Bonesjones]

What scary pipes? I see pipes man.

You deflect with all the guile of a 5 year old. I hope you get paid a lot to be this boring. Imagine wasting hours of your life doing this for free. Not even the slightest inkling of curiosity.

 

[Chugger]

You deflect with all the guile of a 5 year old. I hope you get paid a lot to be this boring. Imagine wasting hours of your life doing this for free. Not even the slightest inkling of curiosity.

I've spent minutes on this conversation, which at this point is simply entertainment for me. I might be watching cat memes but this is a little better. You guys having Dunning Krugered yourselves into thinking you are smart about history and historical argumentation. You've made no arguments really, just shouted like retards about scary pipes, and so on

 

[The Tall Man]

I hope you get paid a lot to be this boring.

I hope he isn't paid and honestly believes what he says.
If he is this incredibly traumatized by his own identity it is a lot more fascinating than some guy who follows a script.

What scary pipes? I see pipes man.

You are really being a boring faggot.
So I will offer some analysis on the pipes.

These are really thick pipes.
Water pipes of this size are the kind typically buried under streets to supply water to many residences.
You might think that these are just thermally insulated pipes and that the actual part carrying water is much smaller in diameter. However, you can see that the size of the gate valves is as broad as the visible pipe, which means the diameter of the pipe is what you see.

The long handles are also quite odd, and they vary in length.
You know what type of valves have really long handles? Buried water supply pipes.
Buried water mains naturally have handles of different lengths, depending on the depth of each individual valve.

That is an awful lot of water for a such a tiny room that doesn't even have a single functioning showerhead.

Look how low the ceiling is, this room is so tiny it wouldn't even qualify as a living room.
But it needs more water than a city block?
Here is the entrance to the fake Brausebad (Shower room) notice no big scary pipes visible for any Jews who are about to get gassed.



What are all the scary pipes for?

 

[Bonesjones]

I've spent minutes on this conversation, which at this point is simply entertainment for me.

You've spent hundreds of hours of your life talking about the holocaust here and other places. Yet, you can't stand up to basic argumentation.

You guys having Dunning Krugered yourselves into thinking you are smart about history and historical argumentation.

Aww he learned a new term

You've made no arguments really, just shouted like retards about scary pipes, and so on

"I'm so nonchalant about questions I can't answer, don't you see how cool and knowledgeable I am, I can just dismiss it all"

Nah you are just a barely sentient nigger.

 

[Chugger]

I hope he isn't paid and honestly believes what he says.
If he is this incredibly traumatized by his own identity it is a lot more fascinating than some guy who follows a script.



You are really being a boring faggot.
So I will offer some analysis on the pipes.
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These are really thick pipes.
Water pipes of this size are the kind typically buried under streets to supply water to many residences.
You might think that these are just thermally insulated pipes and that the actual part carrying water is much smaller in diameter. However, you can see that the size of the gate valves is as broad as the visible pipe, which means the diameter of the pipe is what you see.

The long handles are also quite odd, and they vary in length.
You know what type of valves have really long handles? Buried water supply pipes.
Buried water mains naturally have handles of different lengths, depending on the depth of each individual valve.
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That is an awful lot of water for a such a tiny room that doesn't even have a single functioning showerhead.
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Look how low the ceiling is, this room is so tiny it wouldn't even qualify as a living room.
But it needs more water than a city block?
Here is the entrance to the fake Brausebad (Shower room) notice no big scary pipes visible for any Jews who are about to get gassed.
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What are all the scary pipes for?

There's another explanation for why there were water pipes leading into the room. When people die like that they vomit, shit, bleed. You wash it with water and it goes down the large drains, which explains their existence as well.

I have no idea if those pipes were abnormally large for that era, which I think is what you are alleging. I'm not even convinced they are regular water pipes, they might be heat/ventilation of some kind, and I'm not convinced that they are coming out of the gas chamber. You are?