The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Blewberry Nausea]

I will never get why Nazis want to deny their biggest accomplishment.

 

[Sayer of the N-Word]

The funniest bit of Holocaust denial I've ever come across are in the lyrics to some Greek NSBM song. "There will be a second Holocaust/Only this time, it's real".

 

[Polentic]

I will never get why Nazis want to deny their biggest accomplishment.

Me neither. You'd think Nazis who say we need a race war and extermination of the jews would accept they tried it. But they refuse to even acknowledge the amount of evidence behind Hitler promoting this.
Now my pfp implies I'm a nazi. But I think the holocaust happened and I'm not a flamer sissy faggot.

 

[AnonymousKot]

I will never get why Nazis want to deny their biggest accomplishment.

Me neither. You'd think Nazis who say we need a race war and extermination of the jews would accept they tried it. But they refuse to even acknowledge the amount of evidence behind Hitler promoting this.
Now my pfp implies I'm a nazi. But I think the holocaust happened and I'm not a flamer sissy faggot.

Because they didn't attempt the holocaust, the Germans did keep the kikes in camps yes but that's because the jews were a fifth column, they killed their officials twice before hitler did the kristallnacht, even then they mostly just made them do work in creating clothing and whatever they could for their industry since men were needed after barbarossa but the Germans still fed the people in the camps as well as they fed their soldiers and civilians... it was only from 1943 onwards due to allied bombing on farms and food production did they starve because there wasn't much food to go around then and typhus had broken out in 1945... at max maybe 300,000 jews died and thats if you inflate the statistics

 

[Linako 2.0]

Nobody in reality accepts the wild claims

Rattling off a string of Holocaust memes no one actually claims isn't an argument.

I don't know, those memes you call are taught as straight up facts in school and people do legit believe in them.
So you trying to talk down the most common deceptions of the holocaust as a "meme" doesn't really hold water.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

So no one did any scientific study to determine what was found and where? They heard people digging through some trash for loot found stuff and thought that was good? Oh yeah because it's illegal to question the holocaust and there's large incentive not to. Weird how the narrative exists one way despite no actual studies.

Except when they did all the time as early as 1945 when Poland investigated the graves.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/disinterment. Oh look it isn't. How inconvenient.

Actually read your link and see that's about reburial, not people digging around in graves.

So no one did any scientific study on who, what, when? They just give a broad estimate of some dead bodies and assume from there. If only some were shot that means you have a pile of bodies who died from natural causes ie typhus and some who were killed, probably for looting or sucking baby dicks, since we know Rabbi have an insatiable thirst for cutting and sucking them.

Yes making it illegal to question the holocaust is literally a conspiracy to hide evidence of it not happening, you fucking retard.

It's illegal because Europeans are stupid and don't realize that banning Holocaust denial has done more to help it persist than anything else.

There's also am incentive for Indians to deny excavations of "burial mounds" for themselves.

So now they are cursory examinations? I thought they were full discovery? You are just another idiot who can't keep their story straight. Many such cases.

You don't need to dig up every single corpse to prove there are approximately this many bodies in this many graves, that's called math, not a strong suit among your kind, I know.

No one is defending anyone personally, we only deny the false holocaust narrative. Unfortunately you've poisoned the well in terms of truth, so it's impossible to tell how much of a monster some notorious figures of the Nazis actually were. Ilsa was only convicted of stealing from prisoners, despite wild accusations of turning people into lampshades and newts and whatever else you schizo jews could think up.

Also since when did jews ever have a problem with child rape? We all know the lines from the Talmud, the relentless push from Jewish ran organizations trying to legitimize it, etc.

No you aren't, you've contradicted yourself several times in only a handful of posts.

I notice you also ignored the last part. Jews truly are the synagogue of Satan. Completely unable to give sincere gratitude.

All projection. Join your Fuhrer at once. Oh wait, he didn't kill himself either I'm sure, by your logic he hopped on his UFO to Antarctica.

Yes, and the notoriously efficient Nazis, so efficient they couldn't possibly have killed millions of Jews, were just dropping their "taxation" left and right. Dumbass.

You seem to think I don't deserve a reply from you here. Any reason why?

So you're saying that when alot of people get set on fire you think you need less fuel "than one would think" to burn them.

So how much fuel is that and how do you know?

Perhaps an example of livestock burning would be instructive?

Do the math yourself. You've made no factual assertions other than "yeah it's totes impossible."

Are you referring to some law that everyone agreed to in this these conflicts or is this more of a fantasy?

Nearly all African colonialism was about shutting down the slave trade? Is that another fantasy you came up with?

Greece in the 1820s was the earliest case, because Turks verifiably were massacring Greeks and there was even an allegation based on one proposal to the Sultan by Ibrahim Pasha that involved deporting the entire Greek nation and resettled Greece with Egyptians (barbarization project) which at the time was believed to be Turkish policy. Europe intervened, just as Russia tried to do during the Crimean War, just as Europe did again with the Congress of Berlin (and its precursor, Treaty of San Stefano) and in Africa at the Berlin Conference. Leopold II himself said slavery was a plague to civilization that must be destroyed. You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

If a slave owner is hung in the south it's not for owning slaves. Because slavery was legal.
If the exampled nazi is shot in the Reich it's for murdering jews, but that was supposed to be actual policy.

Except of course it wasnt policy and therefore they were hung for murder. Point refuted.

Your argument is still patently retarded because you are trying to claim that just because sometimes people were executed (which you've never given any proof of, since the majority of Nazi war criminals executed by Nazi Germany were for crimes against the regime or other Nazis) that somehow mass murder wasn't a policy even though said policy, if it ever existed, was totally ignored and only applied to certain groups of people.

Yes maybe so. Doesn't mean the aim is to kill them. Point refuted.

If the Nazis enslaved 6 million Jews and 600,000 of them died, it would still rank among the greatest crimes against humanity and Jews would still be getting gorillions in reparations. I really don't understand this angle of argument (which is false) from Holocaust denialists.

And what white movement are you referring to? Slavs are white.

You know exactly which White Movement I'm referring to. Or maybe you don't, I mean you don't seem to since looks like you've never done any research that isn't regurgitating obscure arguments from some guy's blog to pwn da j00z. Not much different than creationist sperging about the laws of thermodynamics.

Because they could just be telling tall tales. And this has been found repeatedly. Words are only that.

What reason would they have to lie? Poles were very antisemitic and were internationally perceived as victims. Why would they want Jews stealing their victimhood? Jews hate them to this day for that and exaggerate the role of ethnic Poles in the Holocaust. Poles and Jews worked in the same slave camps and were subject to similar massacres, only difference is few Poles went to the extermination camps.

What cremation oven is unearthed that you're referring to? In Belzec, Sobibor, treblinka?

These places were transit camps were taxation was confiscated and some people did die. It was cleared and then guarded after closing to prevent looting. That's about it.

Cremation ovens have been excavated at all of those camps. They also were not transit camps because nobody ever came out alive, as people around the camps knew.

It doesn't actually mean anything was leftover of note. But alot of people passed through so they had reason to think something may have been left over as in missed. Especially if they think it was Jews known or thought to be hiding valuables.

That's not how looters work.

Why would you say that? Clearly alot of logistics is possible.

To say the Holocaust couldn't happen because of logistics is so mind-numbingly stupid given the absolutely insane amount of German war production.

We simply go with the evidence we have. We don't make firm claims about Jewish resettlement villages in the east. Its your side that claimed these have to exist. Nevertheless they where did they go debate is thoroughly examined in codoh forums and a number of works.

Yes, and the obvious answer is "they died" because every other answer makes zero sense in the extreme. You also conveniently throw away every piece of evidence that tells you you're wrong. Just look how desperate you are to deny the Nuremberg trials.

I don't know, those memes you call are taught as straight up facts in school and people do legit believe in them.
So you trying to talk down the most common deceptions of the holocaust as a "meme" doesn't really hold water.

Yes, we all know public schooling sucks. But finding out your teacher lied when they told you George Washington chopped down a cherry tree doesn't mean George Washington didn't exist.

 

[Bonesjones]

Hey look another moron who has no response but going "I'm right and your wrong" even when confronted with facts.

You in fact do need to dig up bodies to claim something is a mass grave, otherwise it's only suspected. Remember that Indian School they claimed ground penatrating radar had uncovered large amounts of graves, then they dug it up and it was nothing? Probably not because you just play the fool when it suites you.

Its funny how "save the loli" pretends to be an arbiter of morality.

You claim the Nazis engineered an industrialized level of mass murder, when it's disproven you say they weren't that good at it. Except your incomplete combustion theory leaves even more evidence that you can't even begin to find. It must be hard grasping at straws and coming up empty every time.

In all this time no one can put forth very basic things, like a single autopsy report showing one person was gassed to death or one direct order to murder jews in a genocide.

Its so well documented and such an easy thing to do, yet all you holocaust experts can only mention code words and psychic transmission of orders. Wonder why that is?


I guess it's just more jew magic.

 

[mrolonzo]

Do the math yourself. You've made no factual assertions other than "yeah it's totes impossible

Dude. The math was done on this very thread in the earlier pages. It's not our problem you haven't read or responded to any of the detailed arguments written here.

Greece in the 1820s was the earliest case, because Turks verifiably were massacring Greeks and there was even an allegation based on one proposal to the Sultan by Ibrahim Pasha that involved deporting the entire Greek nation and resettled Greece with Egyptians (barbarization project) which at the time was believed to be Turkish policy. Europe intervened, just as Russia tried to do during the Crimean War, just as Europe did again with the Congress of Berlin (and its precursor, Treaty of San Stefano) and in Africa at the Berlin Conference. Leopold II himself said slavery was a plague to civilization that must be destroyed. You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Again you're simply referring to conflicts involving ethnicities, races and nations. You make no reference to any laws that create any 'war crimes'.

Possibly because you cannot, so instead you start mentioning a few wars and treaties. You're literally playing yourself.

I wonder if you're about to forget what exactly we're talking about?

In any case you then quote the king of Belgium of all places that was deeply involved in colonialism for rubber production using the most brutal practices and only giving it up when it's maintenance became untenable for such a small nation in the early 20th century. Congrats you played yourself.

Your argument is still patently retarded because you are trying to claim that just because sometimes people were executed (which you've never given any proof of, since the majority of Nazi war criminals executed by Nazi Germany were for crimes against the regime or other Nazis) that somehow mass murder wasn't a policy even though said policy, if it ever existed, was totally ignored and only applied to certain groups of people.

Judge Konrad Morgen was detailed here some pages ago. You would know this if you'd bothered to read the thread.


Said policy, 'if it ever existed' ? Tacit admission here Loli?

Anyway, no. You simply cannot execute you're own SS officers for killing Jews in camps when that's supposed to be the policy of the SS. Unless of course, killing jews was never policy. This of course, as detailed in this thread by me, is backed by the actual original documents found.

So congratulations, you trapped yourself and now have alot of explaining to do.

If the Nazis enslaved 6 million Jews and 600,000 of them died, it would still rank among the greatest crimes against humanity and Jews would still be getting gorillions in reparations. I really don't understand this angle of argument (which is false) from Holocaust denialists.

Oh really? Why?

Forced labor is common in history as is forced expulsion.

So again, you're wrong and completely refuted here. But please explain yourself.

You know exactly which White Movement I'm referring to. Or maybe you don't, I mean you don't seem to since looks like you've never done any research that isn't regurgitating obscure arguments from some guy's blog to pwn da j00z. Not much different than creationist sperging about the laws of thermodynamics.

Oh the white movement that post dates ww2 by decades? That one?

Congrats you played yourself again.

Wtf does some Loli fan peddling the holocaust know about thermodynamics?

What reason would they have to lie? Poles were very antisemitic and were internationally perceived as victims. Why would they want Jews stealing their victimhood? Jews hate them to this day for that and exaggerate the role of ethnic Poles in the Holocaust. Poles and Jews worked in the same slave camps and were subject to similar massacres, only difference is few Poles went to the extermination camps.

Plenty. They didn't like being imprisoned or being invaded. They resented germans and wanted them kicked out lands they wanted. We already know Poles and Polish Jews collaborated closely to produce false reports early in the war. And there were no extermination camps and plenty of Poles worked in all these places either as inmates or contractors.

Cremation ovens have been excavated at all of those camps. They also were not transit camps because nobody ever came out alive, as people around the camps knew.

Dude. If you're going to defend the holocaust at least get your own side's bullshit correct.

"The technique of cremation employed in Treblinka was described as follows in the verdict of the Düsseldorf Court of Assizes at the trial of 1964-1965:427

“After the most diverse cremation attempts had been employed for this purpose, a large cremation facility was constructed. It consisted of a concrete base approximately 70 cm thick, upon which 5 to 6 railroad rails of perhaps 25 to 30 m length lay at small intervals. Under the rails burned a fire, while 2,000 to 3,000 of the bodies of the Jews killed in the gas chambers were loaded on the grate and then burned. When it was seen that this system worked, the corpses, which had been put into the body pits in the preceding months, were also retrieved, again with the help of a large excavator, and then likewise incinerated in the manner described.”

C. Mattogno. Treblinka.

But please, show us a cremation oven rather than a barbecue grill from any of these aktion rheinhard camps.

That's not how looters work.

That's exactly how looters work.

To say the Holocaust couldn't happen because of logistics is so mind-numbingly stupid given the absolutely insane amount of German war production.

Nope. Wrong. The holocaust is perfectly possible to be demonstrated given infinite time, the most deadly gasses, efficient ventilation, adequate space,a huge army of loaders and lifters, multiple elevators, multiple bone crushing machines, infinite resources of wood, coal and zyklon b and copious amounts of documents specifically describing the execution process plus technical work ups going back the previous decade.

But you don't have that. You don't have even anything approaching that. What you have are stories. That's it.

Yes, and the obvious answer is "they died" because every other answer makes zero sense in the extreme. You also conveniently throw away every piece of evidence that tells you you're wrong. Just look how desperate you are to deny the Nuremberg trials.

Except the obvious answer that they died and are buried in Auschwitz or the ar camps doesn't work because it's been shown to be impossible and without foundation. So instead what makes sense is while some died of typhus and starvation, the rest escaped Europe.

We only throw away evidence that is unreliable, fraudulent or ridiculous. The Nuremberg trials are classically ridiculous. This ridiculousness is well documented and has been shown on this thread: which you should already know but of course dont.

Yes, we all know public schooling sucks. But finding out your teacher lied when they told you George Washington chopped down a cherry tree doesn't mean George Washington didn't exist.

Indeed. And saying Jews weren't gassed or shot en masse by the nazis doesn't mean they weren't persecuted and expelled for their perceived treasonous influence.

I will never get why Nazis want to deny their biggest accomplishment.

Because killing innocent people is fundamentally wrong. All actual Nazis adhere to that.

The funniest bit of Holocaust denial I've ever come across are in the lyrics to some Greek NSBM song. "There will be a second Holocaust/Only this time, it's real".

Edge posting is not revisionism.

Me neither. You'd think Nazis who say we need a race war and extermination of the jews would accept they tried it. But they refuse to even acknowledge the amount of evidence behind Hitler promoting this.
Now my pfp implies I'm a nazi. But I think the holocaust happened and I'm not a flamer sissy faggot.

Nazis dont think we need a race war. We think we're in a race war and lacking awareness about it is the reason our nations look and act as they do.

And there is absolutely no evidence of Hitler promoting the attempt to exterminate Jews. You do sound like a faggot. But it's simply because you're obviously terrified of reading into the subject in case you get redpilled beyond recognition.

Because they didn't attempt the holocaust, the Germans did keep the kikes in camps yes but that's because the jews were a fifth column, they killed their officials twice before hitler did the kristallnacht, even then they mostly just made them do work in creating clothing and whatever they could for their industry since men were needed after barbarossa but the Germans still fed the people in the camps as well as they fed their soldiers and civilians... it was only from 1943 onwards due to allied bombing on farms and food production did they starve because there wasn't much food to go around then and typhus had broken out in 1945... at max maybe 300,000 jews died and thats if you inflate the statistics

This guy has actually read this history and knows what the fuck he's talking about.

 

[Fatniggo1488]

Yes, and everyone accepts those were false claims made up by Nazis because there's no evidence for them (kind of, human soap was made like once or twice). Nobody in reality accepts the wild claims made by you and your fellow circle jerkers here because there's no evidence, while the best interpretation of the evidence suggests that millions died under the watch of Nazi Germany. That's actual history, not denying all the evidence you don't personally like and coming up with outlandish interpretations of what remains.

They killed women and children all the time and enacted reprisals against entire villages. Holocaust denial is pretty old hat, but trying to deny every single German war crime in WWII is even more hilarious when there's ample evidence they raped and murdered millions of people in Eastern Europe because Generalplan Ost was the entire goal of the Nazi regime. The only reason they didn't kill more people and started with the Jews is because they needed local collaborators like the Ukrainians (and because the Nazis couldn't decide on a cohesive foreign policy) and Jews were the easiest to get people to kill.

>Nobody in reality accepts the wild claim
Careful now calling those things "wild claims" could have you prosecuted pretty soon. Honestly not even joking, thread is too long to find it but there legit was a historian who was charged criminally for this even though hilariously he was arguing that the number was more than six gorrillion.
>Generalplan Ost was the entire goal of the Nazi regime
"General plan east" is literally a document you can find online and read yourself, and I would strongly recommend you do so. There's absolutely nothing there. It's a long and boring read which amounts to nothing more than a vassalage contract with surprisingly favorable terms to the conquered nations. I honestly think it should be renamed general plan illiteratard because it's absolute genocide for the faggots that didn't take the approximate hour to read it.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Hey look another moron who has no response but going "I'm right and your wrong" even when confronted with facts.

You in fact do need to dig up bodies to claim something is a mass grave, otherwise it's only suspected. Remember that Indian School they claimed ground penatrating radar had uncovered large amounts of graves, then they dug it up and it was nothing? Probably not because you just play the fool when it suites you.

Its funny how "save the loli" pretends to be an arbiter of morality.

I literally addressed that claim, dumbass. I said the pits match exactly where they reported finding bone and ash. Meanwhile, the only bones found at those Indian schools were normal graves and not mass graves.

You claim the Nazis engineered an industrialized level of mass murder, when it's disproven you say they weren't that good at it. Except your incomplete combustion theory leaves even more evidence that you can't even begin to find. It must be hard grasping at straws and coming up empty every time.

I never said the Nazis weren't good as mass murder lol. You're the one claiming they couldn't have burned so many bodies because you're basing it on how funeral homes to cremations. And I told youever

In all this time no one can put forth very basic things, like a single autopsy report showing one person was gassed to death or one direct order to murder jews in a genocide.

Its so well documented and such an easy thing to do, yet all you holocaust experts can only mention code words and psychic transmission of orders. Wonder why that is?

We show you the cremation ovens and pyres for mass cremation, you can only handwave them as fake. Einsatzgruppen leader Karl Jager for instance produced a report boasting of removing X amount of Jews in Y area and making the Baltic states "Judenfrei". The Wannsee Conference demanded mass expulsions of Jews to the East. Since there's no indication those Jews ever made it east and we know the Nazis were already killing Jews, the best interpretation of the evidence is they all fucking died and all the eyewitness accounts of finding bones and ash are true. This is how history actually works.

Dude. The math was done on this very thread in the earlier pages. It's not our problem you haven't read or responded to any of the detailed arguments written here.

Sounds like your sole achievement in life is repeating debunked arguments about the Holocaust for 200+ pages. Not reading your thread lol

Again you're simply referring to conflicts involving ethnicities, races and nations. You make no reference to any laws that create any 'war crimes'.

Possibly because you cannot, so instead you start mentioning a few wars and treaties. You're literally playing yourself.

I wonder if you're about to forget what exactly we're talking about?

In any case you then quote the king of Belgium of all places that was deeply involved in colonialism for rubber production using the most brutal practices and only giving it up when it's maintenance became untenable for such a small nation in the early 20th century. Congrats you played yourself.

Yes, I'm quoting the king of Belgium because he was citing what at the time was a well-trodden principle in international law that went as far back as the Greek intervention (which itself goes back to Grotius), and in this case a principle not specifically involving protecting Christians, even if that was where the principle started. This constitutes a precedent in international law, of which you are absolutely missing the point. This same principle was actually used to attempt to prosecute members of the Ottoman government for the Armenian genocide before Ataturk booted out the occupation forces from Turkey.

Judge Konrad Morgen was detailed here some pages ago. You would know this if you'd bothered to read the thread.


Said policy, 'if it ever existed' ? Tacit admission here Loli?

Anyway, no. You simply cannot execute you're own SS officers for killing Jews in camps when that's supposed to be the policy of the SS. Unless of course, killing jews was never policy. This of course, as detailed in this thread by me, is backed by the actual original documents found.

So congratulations, you trapped yourself and now have alot of explaining to do.

The same Konrad Morgen who said this?

Spoiler

MORGEN: I asked Wirth what this had to do with the Jewish wedding. Then, Wirth described the method by which he carried out the extermination of Jews, and he said something like this: "One has to fight the Jews with their own weapons, that is to say "pardon me for using this expression-"one has to cheat them."

Wirth staged an enormous deceptive maneuver. He first selected Jews who would, he thought, serve as column leaders, then these Jews brought along other Jews, who worked under them. With that smaller or medium-sized detachment of Jews, he began to build up the extermination camps. He extended this staff of Jews, and with these Jews Wirth himself carried out the extermination of the Jews.

Wirth said that he had four extermination camps and that about 5,000 Jews were working at the extermination of Jews and the seizure of Jewish property. In order to win Jews for this business of extermination and plundering of their brethren of race and creed, Wirth gave them every freedom and, so to speak, gave them a financial interest in the spoliation of the dead victims. As a result of this attitude, this sumptuous Jewish wedding had come about.

Then I asked Wirth how he killed Jews with these Jewish agents of his. Wirth described the whole procedure that went off like a film every time. The extermination camps were in the east of the Government General, in big forests or uninhabited wastelands. They were built up like a Potemkin village. The people arriving there had the impression of entering a city or a township. The train drove into a dummy railroad station. After the escorts and the train personnel had left the area, the cars were opened and the Jews got out. They were surrounded by these Jewish labor detachments, and Kriminalkommissar Wirth or one of his representatives made a speech. He said, "Jews, you were brought here to be resettled, but before we organize this future Jewish State, you must of course learn how to work. You must learn a new trade. You will be taught that here. Our routine here is, first, every one must take off his clothes so that your clothing can be disinfected, and you can have a bath so that no epidemics will be brought into the camp."

After he had found such calming words for his victims, they started on the road to death. Men and women were separated. At the first place, one had to deliver the hat; at the next one, the coat, collar, shirt, down to the shoes and socks. These places were faked cloakrooms, and the person was given a check at each one so that the people believed that they would get their things back. The other Jews had to receive the things and hurry up the new arrivals so that they should not have time to think. The whole thing was like an assembly line. After the last stop they reached a big room, and were told that this was the bath. When the last one was in, the doors were shut and the gas was let into the room.

As soon as death had set in, the ventilators were started. When the air could be breathed again, the doors were opened, and the Jewish workers removed the bodies. By means of a special procedure which Wirth had invented, they were burned in the open air without the use of fuel.

Most of the Nazis he prosecuted were for crimes of embezzlement or corruption, not murder. But hey, you found one Nazi judge who actually did prosecute people involved in mass murder! Better find all the other ones who totally prosecuted people for the thousands and thousands of massacres committed by the Nazis.

Oh really? Why?

Forced labor is common in history as is forced expulsion.

So again, you're wrong and completely refuted here. But please explain yourself.

By your logic, mass murder is okay too because it's also common in history. How about you give me a defense of forced labor and forced expulsion that doesn't rely on "other people did it too".

Oh the white movement that post dates ww2 by decades? That one?

Congrats you played yourself again.

Wtf does some Loli fan peddling the holocaust know about thermodynamics?

Okay, so you don't actually know what the White Movement is since if you did, you'd know they were very much involved in WWII. Maybe read something besides books made by people who deliberately misread sources, not that you've ever read them that is.

Plenty. They didn't like being imprisoned or being invaded. They resented germans and wanted them kicked out lands they wanted. We already know Poles and Polish Jews collaborated closely to produce false reports early in the war. And there were no extermination camps and plenty of Poles worked in all these places either as inmates or contractors.

Nope. The Poles had all the evidence in the world from the invasion alone to do whatever they wanted to the Germans afterwards. They didn't need to make up stories about millions of dead Jews to make the Germans look any worse than they did.

Except the obvious answer that they died and are buried in Auschwitz or the ar camps doesn't work because it's been shown to be impossible and without foundation. So instead what makes sense is while some died of typhus and starvation, the rest escaped Europe.

We only throw away evidence that is unreliable, fraudulent or ridiculous. The Nuremberg trials are classically ridiculous. This ridiculousness is well documented and has been shown on this thread: which you should already know but of course dont.

It's never been shown to be impossible except by people making shit up. Your argument is so insane you have to deny every piece of evidence at the Nuremberg trials to even find a foundation.

Dude. If you're going to defend the holocaust at least get your own side's bullshit correct.

"The technique of cremation employed in Treblinka was described as follows in the verdict of the Düsseldorf Court of Assizes at the trial of 1964-1965:427

“After the most diverse cremation attempts had been employed for this purpose, a large cremation facility was constructed. It consisted of a concrete base approximately 70 cm thick, upon which 5 to 6 railroad rails of perhaps 25 to 30 m length lay at small intervals. Under the rails burned a fire, while 2,000 to 3,000 of the bodies of the Jews killed in the gas chambers were loaded on the grate and then burned. When it was seen that this system worked, the corpses, which had been put into the body pits in the preceding months, were also retrieved, again with the help of a large excavator, and then likewise incinerated in the manner described.”

C. Mattogno. Treblinka.

But please, show us a cremation oven rather than a barbecue grill from any of these aktion rheinhard camps.

My mistake, it was the gas chambers excavated.

Nope. Wrong. The holocaust is perfectly possible to be demonstrated given infinite time, the most deadly gasses, efficient ventilation, adequate space,a huge army of loaders and lifters, multiple elevators, multiple bone crushing machines, infinite resources of wood, coal and zyklon b and copious amounts of documents specifically describing the execution process plus technical work ups going back the previous decade.

But you don't have that. You don't have even anything approaching that. What you have are stories. That's it.

There are those documents. You just deny they exist. There are numerous accounts. You just deny every single one of them. It doesn't take much to kill a human, but you're deliberately obtuse.

"General plan east" is literally a document you can find online and read yourself, and I would strongly recommend you do so. There's absolutely nothing there. It's a long and boring read which amounts to nothing more than a vassalage contract with surprisingly favorable terms to the conquered nations. I honestly think it should be renamed general plan illiteratard because it's absolute genocide for the faggots that didn't take the approximate hour to read it.

I didn't know the typical vassalage contract calls for the mass deportation of 30 million+ people to Siberia. Show me where it's a typical vassalage contract.

 

[Bonesjones]

Lol I'm not gonna read your retard post because you have no argument, just the insane ramblings of a schizo. Everything you say has been addressed ad-nauseum. If you can't point out the millions of BTU of fuel required to cremate six million people, you have nothing. There is no arguing with the laws of physics. Pretending like you can burn a body this way or that is just pilpul. Either point out the train loads of fuel needed or shut up. That's the beginning and end of the Holocaust.

This also has to be in addition to all the fuel needed for normal camp function of course. Which is an even more impossible task, since no one even begins to so that either. This is why every problem can be solved by looking at its logistical practicality. You can't shoot 100 people with 1 bullet, and you can't burn 100 bodies with 1 wood or coal.

 

[Taked1993]

Jews died. Big deal.

Seriously though. The whole hollow hoax thing became controversial briefly in the 1970s and blew out of all prior proportions in the 1990s. I don't know if this had to do with the Cold War no longer being an issue (the hollow hoax was massively propagandized by Stalin's officials in 1945-1947, before Uncle Joe decided to dump the Jew) or a direct result of Ernst Zundel's 1988 sentence being overturned by the Supreme Court of Canada in 1992, which would've definitely freaked out hollow hoax peddlers.

There definitely were mass killings and the Jews were targeted more often in the previously Soviet-occupied areas, where Jews were often elevated to leading government positions. Put that in context of mass killings committed by the Soviets, and you get to understand the locals, who were far more zealous than the Germans. All of Estonia's Jews were claimed to be wiped out, for instance. Latvians were alleged to actively participate in Jewish pogroms too. Lithuania had one of the world's largest Jewish populations and almost all disappeared after the war. Not all were exterminated, since a lot of them also emigrated to Israel after the war, including Yitzhak Arad, the author of "Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka". The latter book is often used as a major source to prove that the hollow hoax is totally real, but the problem is that the author relies on hearsay, e.g. the "shit master" anecdote, where a Jew with a Van Dyke beard was designated by the Germans to oversee that the Jews don't spend too much times in a death camp's toilet (because it would be a shame to kill Jews before they take a dump) .... Right.

And the same Yitzhak Arad was alleged to be a part of the Soviet bandits who killed people in Kaniukai, Lithuania. The scummy Jews of course told everyone he's innocent and even slandered the movement to commemorate genocide against White People by the Bolsheviks and their puppets at the same time. But that's a different topic. And if you're interested in Lithuania's case, look up recorded testimony of Abraham (Avrom) Sutzkever, who, in 1946 in Nuremberg, accused several Germans of committing atrocities in Lithuania. I don't remember if it was this case, but I couldn't find info on any of them, except one, who died in Austria after the war, being released from GULAG in 1950. I may be wrong here, but what I know for sure is that Sutzkever was a Soviet collaborator during the 1941 illegal occupation of Lithuania, and got a government job at the local Soviet radio station - shortly before the Germans invaded.

That's just one story. David Irving never denied the hollow hoax in his pivotal works, but he definitely emphasized that there is no evidence to suggest that Hitler knew about it. There is a note of denial or wishful thinking in some of Hitler's remarks about possible Jewish deaths, but nothing explicit (double check that in Irving's "Hitler's War"). Nothing indicated that he may have known about the Wannsee conference, which did take place but it is unclear if any explicit extermination plans were discussed or agreed on, though everyone seems to agree that some form of deporation was needed.

Post war talk about lampshades made of human skin leather or soap is just a post-war psyop largely targeting Germans themselves, possibly as an experimental psyop, but little more than that. The problem is really not that whether many Jews died or not, or even how many died. The problem is that it's illegal to discuss this and even try to make a precise estimate if it doesn't fit the narrative. Even worse, if you deny obvious lies, you may still get in hot waters. Because you can't regulate historical facts and expect truth to be discussed publicly. Doing so opens a window for revision, challenging the political status quo.

 

[The Tall Man]

@Save the Loli
first watch an emotional argument so you can get over all that Hollywood propaganda showing little girl getting shot by evil nazis.

HellStorm-MUST WATCH-Genocide-Of-Germany

HellStorm - The Genocide Of Germany During WW2

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And then a rational argument

SPINNING SQUIRREL - Revisionist Documentary

100% Credit to Ryan Dawson of Ancreport.com for making this video.

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Jews died. Big deal.

Seriously though. The whole hollow hoax thing became controversial briefly in the 1970s and blew out of all prior proportions in the 1990s. I don't know if this had to do with the Cold War no longer being an issue (the hollow hoax was massively propagandized by Stalin's officials in 1945-1947, before Uncle Joe decided to dump the Jew) or a direct result of Ernst Zundel's 1988 sentence being overturned by the Supreme Court of Canada in 1992, which would've definitely freaked out hollow hoax peddlers.

There definitely were mass killings and the Jews were targeted more often in the previously Soviet-occupied areas, where Jews were often elevated to leading government positions. Put that in context of mass killings committed by the Soviets, and you get to understand the locals, who were far more zealous than the Germans. All of Estonia's Jews were claimed to be wiped out, for instance. Latvians were alleged to actively participate in Jewish pogroms too. Lithuania had one of the world's largest Jewish populations and almost all disappeared after the war. Not all were exterminated, since a lot of them also emigrated to Israel after the war, including Yitzhak Arad, the author of "Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka". The latter book is often used as a major source to prove that the hollow hoax is totally real, but the problem is that the author relies on hearsay, e.g. the "shit master" anecdote, where a Jew with a Van Dyke beard was designated by the Germans to oversee that the Jews don't spend too much times in a death camp's toilet (because it would be a shame to kill Jews before they take a dump) .... Right.

And the same Yitzhak Arad was alleged to be a part of the Soviet bandits who killed people in Kaniukai, Lithuania. The scummy Jews of course told everyone he's innocent and even slandered the movement to commemorate genocide against White People by the Bolsheviks and their puppets at the same time. But that's a different topic. And if you're interested in Lithuania's case, look up recorded testimony of Abraham (Avrom) Sutzkever, who, in 1946 in Nuremberg, accused several Germans of committing atrocities in Lithuania. I don't remember if it was this case, but I couldn't find info on any of them, except one, who died in Austria after the war, being released from GULAG in 1950. I may be wrong here, but what I know for sure is that Sutzkever was a Soviet collaborator during the 1941 illegal occupation of Lithuania, and got a government job at the local Soviet radio station - shortly before the Germans invaded.

That's just one story. David Irving never denied the hollow hoax in his pivotal works, but he definitely emphasized that there is no evidence to suggest that Hitler knew about it. There is a note of denial or wishful thinking in some of Hitler's remarks about possible Jewish deaths, but nothing explicit (double check that in Irving's "Hitler's War"). Nothing indicated that he may have known about the Wannsee conference, which did take place but it is unclear if any explicit extermination plans were discussed or agreed on, though everyone seems to agree that some form of deporation was needed.

Post war talk about lampshades made of human skin leather or soap is just a post-war psyop largely targeting Germans themselves, possibly as an experimental psyop, but little more than that. The problem is really not that whether many Jews died or not, or even how many died. The problem is that it's illegal to discuss this and even try to make a precise estimate if it doesn't fit the narrative. Even worse, if you deny obvious lies, you may still get in hot waters. Because you can't regulate historical facts and expect truth to be discussed publicly. Doing so opens a window for revision, challenging the political status quo.

That is the fascinating part about propaganda it can lie dormant for decades. The holocaust did not exist until the 70s. There were the wartime rumors created by the OSS and there were the post war psyop perpetrated against the Germans by the OSS, but the holocaust only truly started to be a thing when it was needed.

The biggest persecutor of Jewish diaspora has always been other Jews.
The fear that fanatical Jews have is that other Jews assimilate and Judaism drifts into obscurity, it is more horrifying to them than murdering these intermingling Jews. See the SS Patria.
Zionist Jews would try to create hell on earth for Jewish diaspora to get them to move to Palestine.

The German government helped the Zionist with moving Jews to Palestine simply because it was a British colony and sending more and more Jews to fill the ranks of Jewish terrorist organizations would cause the Brits trouble.

The Holocaust-Hollywood narrative is incredibly important to keep the Jewish identity alive.
How else would you have atheistic Jews?

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Lol I'm not gonna read your retard post because you have no argument, just the insane ramblings of a schizo. Everything you say has been addressed ad-nauseum. If you can't point out the millions of BTU of fuel required to cremate six million people, you have nothing. There is no arguing with the laws of physics. Pretending like you can burn a body this way or that is just pilpul. Either point out the train loads of fuel needed or shut up. That's the beginning and end of the Holocaust.

This also has to be in addition to all the fuel needed for normal camp function of course. Which is an even more impossible task, since no one even begins to so that either. This is why every problem can be solved by looking at its logistical practicality. You can't shoot 100 people with 1 bullet, and you can't burn 100 bodies with 1 wood or coal.

Right, so the Germans could run the largest invasion in history involving millions of men and machines across thousands of miles of front but couldn't spare a few trains for disposing of people they spent most of the 30s promoting as a dangerous fifth column who occupied the lands they repeatedly said were German by right and vowed to give to Germans. LMAO.

Coal and wood were plentiful and burning a body is not hard when you're burning them in bulk and already have the fires started. I've already addressed that, you can do nothing but seethe and project.

Holocaust denial makes as much sense as denying the Luftwaffe existed because aircraft are a complex thing and there's no way they could've built tens of thousands of Me-109s, let alone other planes. You should seek help for your schizophrenia, it's pretty common among schizos to think its OTHER people who are crazy. There's a reason nobody in the real world believes Holocaust denialism, and it isn't da j00z...

@The Tall Man
So why are all the documents from the 1940s and the Jews themselves spent the 50s and 60s jerking it to Holocaust porn? Conflating the Holocaust with the Jewish-made Holocaust industry that emerged after the Eichmann trial is incredibly stupid. But hey, it makes as much sense as some of the other takes in this topic.

Some Jews were sent to Palestine in that era, but it was a tiny fraction. There were barely 1 million Jews in Israel in 1950.

 

[The Tall Man]

@The Tall Man
So why are all the documents from the 1940s and the Jews themselves spent the 50s and 60s jerking it to Holocaust porn? Conflating the Holocaust with the Jewish-made Holocaust industry that emerged after the Eichmann trial is incredibly stupid. But hey, it makes as much sense as some of the other takes in this topic.

Some Jews were sent to Palestine in that era, but it was a tiny fraction. There were barely 1 million Jews in Israel in 1950.

Holocaust means the planned systematic execution of 6million Jews by the Nazis, because the Nazis were evil.
This is what the majority of people think it is and what is protected by force.

I can see that you are incredibly emotionally attached to the concept.
It would be beneficial for you to try and get rid of your emotional investment towards a certain conclusion.

Just give Hellstorm an honest watch, it's an emotional piece to humanize the Germans.

HellStorm-MUST WATCH-Genocide-Of-Germany

HellStorm - The Genocide Of Germany During WW2

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You could also read the book, if you prefer.

Hellstorm: The Death of Nazi Germany 1944-1947: Thomas Goodrich, Arthur Kemp: 9781948323116: Amazon.com: Books

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If you do not want to change your views, than just watch Inglorious Bastards.

I wonder are you Jewish and did you get taught from a young age that the non-Jews are easily riled up by propaganda to a level that they will try to torture and exterminate you?
If that is the case you should realize that is exactly what a shady cult does and it's child abuse.

Or maybe the holocaust is not part of your personal identity? Which makes me wonder what part of your worldview requires the Nazis to be the ultimate evil or for the Jews to be so hated?

I would really appreciate if you could answer what your personal attachment to the holocaust is?

 

[Slap47]

I will never get why Nazis want to deny their biggest accomplishment.

Its a strange thing. Most denialists of anything are of the "but they deserved it" mindset. I am not sure if they are bad faith or just trying to reconcile their feelings in some weird psychological thing.

 

[Taked1993]

Right, so the Germans could run the largest invasion in history involving millions of men and machines across thousands of miles of front but couldn't spare a few trains for disposing of people they spent most of the 30s promoting as a dangerous fifth column who occupied the lands they repeatedly said were German by right and vowed to give to Germans. LMAO.

Coal and wood were plentiful and burning a body is not hard when you're burning them in bulk and already have the fires started. I've already addressed that, you can do nothing but seethe and project.

Holocaust denial makes as much sense as denying the Luftwaffe existed because aircraft are a complex thing and there's no way they could've built tens of thousands of Me-109s, let alone other planes. You should seek help for your schizophrenia, it's pretty common among schizos to think its OTHER people who are crazy. There's a reason nobody in the real world believes Holocaust denialism, and it isn't da j00z...

@The Tall Man
So why are all the documents from the 1940s and the Jews themselves spent the 50s and 60s jerking it to Holocaust porn? Conflating the Holocaust with the Jewish-made Holocaust industry that emerged after the Eichmann trial is incredibly stupid. But hey, it makes as much sense as some of the other takes in this topic.

Some Jews were sent to Palestine in that era, but it was a tiny fraction. There were barely 1 million Jews in Israel in 1950.

Not everyone who questions the narrative denies the logistics. The burning part is troublesome because it's physically not possible to kill this many people by burning them or their bodies in such a short period of time. There were thousands, tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands killed by the Sonderkommando action in the Eastern Front, but not millions. Then, we read that according to Yitzhak Arad, a big portion of the Jews who were delivered to the three experimental "death camps" were from Hungary. Digging in the camp sites would've uncovered at least some substantial evidence of personal articles smuggled in, which could be identified as made or purchased in Hungary or in the territories ceded to Hungary after 1939. Was this done or not? I don't expect that to be the case, especially considering Poland's hostility to the whole topic in the Cold War.

Invasion-wise, the logistics were not as good as could be imagined. It was sheer luck for Hitler to comb through the Balkans like he did in early 1941, exposing the key vulnerability for the Wehrmacht - fuel supplies. Hitler knew about it based on what we heard in his talk with Mannerheim in the famous secret recording. In it, he tells Mannerheim that Molotov was asking whether Germany's guarantees to Romania was Germany being aggressive towards the USSR or not. This is confirmed by the revisionist Russian writers like Mark Solonin and Viktor Suvorov, who surmised that Stalin was planning invasion in 1941. Similar conclusions are voiced by Irving, but he bases his argument on the memoirs of the Soviet officials. Shortly after the 1940 expansion Stalin ordered the Dnieper fleet to be disbanded and split into two - one in Neman and one in Danube - since both rivers were accessible now. The latter was most dangerous to Germany, and if the Soviets managed to destroy the Ploesti facilities the whole advance east would be stalled in the first few months of the Barbarossa.

Germans were great at making sure their soldiers are well trained, well fed and well supplied, but they didn't have the luxury of resource abundance like the Soviets and the Americans did.

I tend to agree with you than disagree, but there's always nuance.

For example, you mention there was barely 1 million Jews in 1950. Well, we definitely know that the bulk of Communist Hungarian secret service and the chief party leaders were all magyarized Jews. Lots of them changed names and last names, which is a part of the Lenin-era Communist dogma that views Jewry not as an ethnic element, but a social class that should be washed out by "blending" it with the gentile proletariat. In Hungary itt was so obvious, that even Beria had to travel to Rakosi around the time of Stalin's death just to tell him to tone it down a bit. Even if we take into account the disaster of Hungary's Jewry, being burned alive in Treblinka, that hardly explains how so many of them survived. Put this in contrast with Poland and Lithuania, where they almost disappeared. That can be explained more by war and the Communist "Anti-Zionist" policy initiated by Stalin in late 1940s, urging surviving Jews to migrate. Furthermore, let's take Lithuania's case. After 1945 it remained under the Soviet occupation. Would the Lithuanian Jews (at least the secularized ones) stay or move to better areas in Moscow, Leningrad, or - in some cases - go to the relocated industrial bases in the Urals and Central Asia for work? Naturally, such dynamic is more likely than sheer mass extermination that left no one. That sounds plausible unless there is a substantial evidence of the opposite. In some cases we have that, but it doesn't explain the whole picture.

 

[The Tall Man]

Its a strange thing. Most denialists of anything are of the "but they deserved it" mindset. I am not sure if they are bad faith or just trying to reconcile their feelings in some weird psychological thing.

Because it is not about team sports, it's about truth.
That is why most revisionists update their works and even change large portions of it, if new compelling evidence is presented.

 

[RACISM]

Its a strange thing. Most denialists of anything are of the "but they deserved it"

109 countries can't be wrong.

 

[Bonesjones]

Right, so the Germans could run the largest invasion in history involving millions of men and machines across thousands of miles of front but couldn't spare a few trains for disposing of people they spent most of the 30s promoting as a dangerous fifth column who occupied the lands they repeatedly said were German by right and vowed to give to Germans. LMAO.

Coal and wood were plentiful and burning a body is not hard when you're burning them in bulk and already have the fires started. I've already addressed that, you can do nothing but seethe and project.

Holocaust denial makes as much sense as denying the Luftwaffe existed because aircraft are a complex thing and there's no way they could've built tens of thousands of Me-109s, let alone other planes. You should seek help for your schizophrenia, it's pretty common among schizos to think its OTHER people who are crazy. There's a reason nobody in the real world believes Holocaust denialism, and it isn't da j00z...

@The Tall Man
So why are all the documents from the 1940s and the Jews themselves spent the 50s and 60s jerking it to Holocaust porn? Conflating the Holocaust with the Jewish-made Holocaust industry that emerged after the Eichmann trial is incredibly stupid. But hey, it makes as much sense as some of the other takes in this topic.

Some Jews were sent to Palestine in that era, but it was a tiny fraction. There were barely 1 million Jews in Israel in 1950.

I noticed you didn't post any stockpiles of wood or coal to burn 6 million people. I guess you admit defeat. No multiple eyewitness testimony of the endless trains of wood or coal going into concentration camps needed to keep the cremation furnaces constantly going at full blast. The tales of thousands of lumberjacks clear cutting miles and miles of forest to be loaded onto trains. These are hard physical realities that have to be accounted for, not mere suggestions. You either post 6 million skeletons or 6 million worth of cremated remains. If you can't do either, then you are done.

That's the easy thing about getting past everything but basic possibilities. There is no room for arguement, only hard fact.

Also just like every Holocaust proponent, you end up constantly validating our arguments on accident. You argue they had a multitude of logistic facilities to transport goods and services all over the eastern front, guess what that also can be used for?