The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Did you claim that the fat on the jews body accounted for the lack of fuel available to properly cremate the bodies?

Yes. It's the wick effect and the same reason behind accounts of spontaneous human combustion. People claiming there wasn't enough fuel base their estimates on actual funerals, but that's not how mass cremation is done. The SS recruited experts on cremation who by the nature of their job would have known about mass cremation on battlefields or bodies from epidemics. It's literally the same reason a candle works and massively reduces the amount of fuel needed, but our "expert" doesn't actually know that so he isn't actually refuting my argument.

Answer me this: how can you make 6 million jews in less than 100 years so your population rivals that of a country? You can't. The Holocaust is a lie.

World population in 1939 is estimated at 2.3 billion. Today it is over 8 billion. Let's recall that in 1897 when there were about 1.7 billion people, the Russian Empire alone had 5.7 million Jews. The countries where the bulk of Russian Jews lived in 1939, the USSR and Poland, had 2.7 million and 3.1 million Jews respectively, a small growth despite the violent conflict, epidemic, and famine in the period of WWI and the Russian Civil War and the high rate of emigration. After the 1940s, there were no more violent conflicts, famines, or severe epidemics in that region.

Let's do the math. Assuming Jews had the same demographic curve as Poland in the 1950-2021 period (where the population went from 25 million to 38 million, you should have almost 9 million Jews in the former Russian Empire alone. Today there are barely 250K Jews in all Eastern Europe. Israel and the US account for about 13 million Jews combined, but there were already about 4 million Jews in the US in 1940 and 200K+ in Palestine in that time so for your logic to make sense, you'd have to assume that every single Jewish population outside Eastern Europe has for the past 80 years a fertility rate akin to that of ultra-liberal Jewish cat ladies and soyboys in NYC.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The thing I don't get with the claims for evidence of "six million pizzas" is that simple starvation and sickness would probably account for most of the fatalities, and that's before you account the war itself, transportation, other methods of mass murder and labor camps. The Death Camps are the things most talked about primarily because they are a symbol, not because they causes 99% of the fatalities.

In the end the biggest hole in the Holocaust Denial theory is the case of the missing millions of Jews who "coincidentally" vanished after being deported into ghettos, leaving former bustling communities entirely desolate. Until such answer is found they'll remain a punchline.

 

[John.Doe]

The SS recruited experts on cremation who by the nature of their job would have known about mass cremation on battlefields or bodies from epidemics.

Battlefield or epidemic cremation is about preventing disease, not about reducing corpses to powder to destroy forensic evidence, and so it has very different (much lower) requirements for fuel and infrastructure.

It's literally the same reason a candle works and massively reduces the amount of fuel needed, but our "expert" doesn't actually know that so he isn't actually refuting my argument.

We spent about 20 pages going through this, you're now at the 'fatty pizza' phase where you're trying to say that the Jews were simultaneously starved and gassed while being fat enough to spontaneously combust. Or maybe you're trying to say that the Nazis had some kind of Fire Nation magic? I don't really know how to refute 'it was magic' as an argument.

 

[Calvin Coolidge]

What's next, Hitler was personally at Katyn decapitating Poles with a lightsabre while riding a hoverboard?

Someone needs to paint that.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Battlefield or epidemic cremation is about preventing disease, not about reducing corpses to powder to destroy forensic evidence, and so it has very different (much lower) requirements for fuel and infrastructure.

Solved it for you. They didn't burn the corpses to hide the evidence because they assumed it would be impossible to hide.

We spent about 20 pages going through this, you're now at the 'fatty pizza' phase where you're trying to say that the Jews were simultaneously starved and gassed while being fat enough to spontaneously combust. Or maybe you're trying to say that the Nazis had some kind of Fire Nation magic? I don't really know how to refute 'it was magic' as an argument.

Even a starved corpse would still have 5-10 pounds of fat on it (more if elderly) while a single woman who died of epidemic disease or was gassed on arrival would have maybe 20-25 pounds of fat. Add it up and it neatly supplements coal and other fuels.11111

 

[Bonesjones]

Solved it for you. They didn't burn the corpses to hide the evidence because they assumed it would be impossible to hide.

Even a starved corpse would still have 5-10 pounds of fat on it (more if elderly) while a single woman who died of epidemic disease or was gassed on arrival would have maybe 20-25 pounds of fat. Add it up and it neatly supplements coal and other fuels.11111

The problem you retards always have is the logistical possibility of it happening. It doesn't matter what magic you try to conjure up, actions have consequences and leave environmental impact. Massive fires and cremation by physical necessity leaves ash, bone, teeth from the cremation process and also ash from the combustion material. If you can't point to the tens to hundreds of thousands of tons of both, you have no arguement. You have excuses and that's it. You would be able to physically look at the landscape that is forever changed by the sheer volume of leftover material and know to dig exactly there to find what you are looking for. The fact they haven't and won't means they are scared of the truth, which is that it never happened but definitely should.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

The problem you retards always have is the logistical possibility of it happening. It doesn't matter what magic you try to conjure up, actions have consequences and leave environmental impact. Massive fires and cremation by physical necessity leaves ash, bone, teeth from the cremation process and also ash from the combustion material. If you can't point to the tens to hundreds of thousands of tons of both, you have no arguement. You have excuses and that's it. You would be able to physically look at the landscape that is forever changed by the sheer volume of leftover material and know to dig exactly there to find what you are looking for. The fact they haven't and won't means they are scared of the truth, which is that it never happened but definitely should.

Except the part where to this day they keep finding bits of bones (coincidentally the ones most likely to survive an imperfect cremation) at these sites. Even your fellow circlejerkers here admit that, they just try and say "well it was just a temporary stopping place for resettlement and some people died along the way." It doesn't explain the amount of disturbed ground (pits and trenches) around Treblinka that have been identified on ground penetrating radar which matches well with the Nazis burying as much of it as they could. This also matches Polish eyewitness accounts from as early as 1944 as well as later accounts in the late 40s and 50s noting human remains and ash when they scavenged the site in the late 40s and 50s looking for literal Jew gold.

If it were a transit camp that was destroyed to cover up the evidence, why are there so many pits and trenches? Why would Poles try and loot the site for years if they didn't believe a large number of people had died there? "Logistical impossibility" is really a shoddy field of argumentation made by people with no understanding of logistics (just like the German Army in Russia lol). It's doubly ironic that you people invent even more logistically improbable theories to confront the demographic evidence of where millions of Jews up and vanished to.

 

[mrolonzo]

Fat burns readily when heated, it's called the wick effect

Humans are mostly bags of water with some fat, so while there have been very rare occasions of spontaneous combustion these were not spontaneous no that doesn't work but feel free to show us the exterminationists work in area of research.

Mass deportation aka ethnic cleansing is a war crime according to literally everyone. Unless the Soviet-backed deportations of Germans post-1945 were okay.

When is it a war crime? Before 45?

What law are you referring to?

I'm gambling right here you'll no longer take this line of attack because you don't really want to discuss legislation. Happy to be wrong though.

LOL that's like creationists denying any claim made by an atheist. Or people saying because it was made by a Nazi it was wrong. There's nothing reasonable about anything you claim.

Claiming people died of disease and starvation rather than a made up gassing process, or electrocution or steam is completely reasonable and you have no further point to explain your position. Because this would require you to go into detail.

Why are there pictures of mounds of corpses? Why did they say explicitly say they killed people left and right, especially in Poland. Executing a few of their own for overstepping their bounds doesn't mean they didn't commit war crimes any more than slavery was okay because a few slave owners were imprisoned for mistreating their slaves.

Because people do die in war and in difficult conditions.

Executing a few of their own for murdering the people they were murdering en mass explicitly does mean they didn't commit mass murder of nearly six million jews.

Forced labor aka slavery doesn't mean people were being mass murdered either so your point is stupid and refuted.

Generalplan Ost was indeed only one of many considerations because Nazi foreign policy couldn't make up its mind. That's why they never gave any real support to anti-communist forces in Europe hence why they lost the war.

What real support are you referring to?

Lemme guess right now. You don't actually have anything in mind.

The evidence sure matches every German account that says a few hundred thousand people were sent there and never returned when you check the number of pits by how much ash partially burned corpses make.

Which is why you refuse to show link or detail any of it right?

Usual holocaust peddling bluff and bluster.

Rattling off a string of Holocaust memes no one actually claims isn't an argument. This is why you people are akin to flat earthers or creationists.

Holocaust memes are both good and bad, mostly good. And they are arguments.

Nice projection, faggot. I've addressed everything said to me, given my sources, but I guess it doesn't count since it doesn't agree with your circle jerk here.

Personally I'm most curious about the guy denying all Nazi war crimes. Like obviously it's the logical conclusion of Holocaust denialism to deny the Germans did anything wrong to Polish civilians, Italian prisoners of war, etc. but it's great encountering someone like that in the wild.

If you're curious, which is a lie, then just ask me something and we can discuss it. Just don't complain when I refer to the most authoritative sources using primary source material.

Except the part where to this day they keep finding bits of bones (coincidentally the ones most likely to survive an imperfect cremation) at these sites. Even your fellow circlejerkers here admit that, they just try and say "well it was just a temporary stopping place for resettlement and some people died along the way." It doesn't explain the amount of disturbed ground (pits and trenches) around Treblinka that have been identified on ground penetrating radar which matches well with the Nazis burying as much of it as they could. This also matches Polish eyewitness accounts from as early as 1944 as well as later accounts in the late 40s and 50s noting human remains and ash when they scavenged the site in the late 40s and 50s looking for literal Jew gold.

If it were a transit camp that was destroyed to cover up the evidence, why are there so many pits and trenches? Why would Poles try and loot the site for years if they didn't believe a large number of people had died there? "Logistical impossibility" is really a shoddy field of argumentation made by people with no understanding of logistics (just like the German Army in Russia lol). It's doubly ironic that you people invent even more logistically improbable theories to confront the demographic evidence of where millions of Jews up and vanished to.

1/As pointed out, bits of bones is not a mass grave of hundreds of thousands of people.

2/The amount of disturbed ground is explained. Including the pits and trenches. See Mattogno on Treblinka.

3/Polish accounts are not evidence of mass murder either. People likely were buried there.

4/If you're tidying up the place why wouldn't you bury what you don't want to take with you?

5/Poles would loot the site for years because they may think there was something left of the deportation process of taxation that was going on.

6/ logical impossibility is an excellent field of argument made by people with clear understanding of logistics.

7/ Your question of where did they go is your last redoubt after being defeated on every other front. Unfortunately for you it's already been answered on this thread.

 

[mrolonzo]

Battlefield or epidemic cremation is about preventing disease, not about reducing corpses to powder to destroy forensic evidence, and so it has very different (much lower) requirements for fuel and infrastructure.



We spent about 20 pages going through this, you're now at the 'fatty pizza' phase where you're trying to say that the Jews were simultaneously starved and gassed while being fat enough to spontaneously combust. Or maybe you're trying to say that the Nazis had some kind of Fire Nation magic? I don't really know how to refute 'it was magic' as an argument.

If you want to refute the magic argument just ask him to talk about it in detail.

HS and Chugger were at least making somewhat knowledgeable attempts on this. Save the Loli is just throwing around accusations and avoiding details at every turn but eventually he'll have to stick to a point. Then the fun begins.

The thing I don't get with the claims for evidence of "six million pizzas" is that simple starvation and sickness would probably account for most of the fatalities, and that's before you account the war itself, transportation, other methods of mass murder and labor camps. The Death Camps are the things most talked about primarily because they are a symbol, not because they causes 99% of the fatalities.

In the end the biggest hole in the Holocaust Denial theory is the case of the missing millions of Jews who "coincidentally" vanished after being deported into ghettos, leaving former bustling communities entirely desolate. Until such answer is found they'll remain a punchline.

What missing millions are you talking about? Raul hilberg was thoroughly debunked as was the demographic claims of the Jewish agency.

But of course you don't know that because you're forced to only listen to exterminationist bullshit.

 

[Bonesjones]

Except the part where to this day they keep finding bits of bones (coincidentally the ones most likely to survive an imperfect cremation) at these sites.

Prove it.

Even your fellow circlejerkers here admit that, they just try and say "well it was just a temporary stopping place for resettlement and some people died along the way."

So prove that theory wrong.

It doesn't explain the amount of disturbed ground (pits and trenches) around Treblinka that have been identified on ground penetrating radar which matches well with the Nazis burying as much of it as they could.

You literally just explain why a sentence later, schizo.

This also matches Polish eyewitness accounts from as early as 1944 as well as later accounts in the late 40s and 50s noting human remains and ash when they scavenged the site in the late 40s and 50s looking for literal Jew gold.

So all this disturbed ground is explained! Nice pilpul.

If it were a transit camp that was destroyed to cover up the evidence, why are there so many pits and trenches?

You just said why.

Why would Poles try and loot the site for years if they didn't believe a large number of people had died there?

Why would you loot a place known for massive amounts of travelers? You really are stepping up your thought process.

"Logistical impossibility" is really a shoddy field of argumentation made by people with no understanding of logistics (just like the German Army in Russia lol). It's doubly ironic that you people invent even more logistically improbable theories to confront the demographic evidence of where millions of Jews up and vanished to.

You don't understand anything about the real world, please take your meds. I know you jews are a walking time bomb of physical and mental disorders.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

What missing millions are you talking about? Raul hilberg was thoroughly debunked as was the demographic claims of the Jewish agency.

But of course you don't know that because you're forced to only listen to exterminationist bullshit.

I looked at the source linked in the thread, they are pretty much garbage. No straight numbers, just stories and blatant picking and choosing of material, all accompanied by subjective language. I think especially bad is the point where Jews obviously fleeing from communist countries is framed as "magical Jews". Even if the guy had a point, he shouldn't put it in a sermon. Also it seems he tries to put the blame of killing millions of Jews into the hands of the Commies and then arguing "lol we never know what happened there".

I also think his low estimate is so ridiculous it will actually make Jews the least affected ethnicity in ww2, but I have a feeling someone here would say that's par the course because they engineered the whole thing.

 

[mrolonzo]

I looked at the source linked in the thread, they are pretty much garbage. No straight numbers, just stories and blatant picking and choosing of material, all accompanied by subjective language. I think especially bad is the point where Jews obviously fleeing from communist countries is framed as "magical Jews". Even if the guy had a point, he shouldn't put it in a sermon. Also it seems he tries to put the blame of killing millions of Jews into the hands of the Commies and then arguing "lol we never know what happened there".

I also think his low estimate is so ridiculous it will actually make Jews the least affected ethnicity in ww2, but I have a feeling someone here would say that's par the course because they engineered the whole thing.

Which post or link are you referring to?

Revisionists do not just tell stories and pick and choose material.

This thread has covered all the best demographic research, from Wolfgang Benz to Walter Sanning, to the Koherr report and Stephen Chanlons analysis and Ryan Faulks analysis also.

Do you have a problem with any of that or do you prefer making vague accusations?

The jews indeed probably died in the hundreds of thousands rather millions. This is just a far more reasonable estimate.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Even a starved corpse would still have 5-10 pounds of fat on it (more if elderly) while a single woman who died of epidemic disease or was gassed on arrival would have maybe 20-25 pounds of fat. Add it up and it neatly supplements coal and other fuels.11111

Don't forget that hydrogen has quite a bit of alchemical potency for bombs and there is hydrogen in water and human bodies are mostly water. That is a lot of untapped potential for surplus power that must have helped in the burning of the bodies. It's a surprise that germans didn't make their trucks run on that fuel.

At least Mussolini had the right idea. He made the trains run on thyme.

 

[mrolonzo]

I fear Save the Loli's time with us is drawing an end. But I hope for at least a few more vague teenage rants before he, like History Speaks and Stan disappears off to his bedroom in a rage never to be heard of again.

At least Chugger is still around to kick.

Just for amusement. Attached is one of the central photos that holocaust peddlers actually still use. Even Eric Hunt claims this "turned him". As you can see it's a woman presumably Jewish woman being turned away from or forced towards a point by what are presumed to be sonderkommados. This, it is claimed, is a woman literally being forced into a shower sorry 'gas to death' chamber. The other photos are of Jews about to be de loused, oops, sorry 'gassed to death' using fake showers.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

@mrlonzo - You don't deserve this reply since the site was telling me I shouldn't post it.

Humans are mostly bags of water with some fat, so while there have been very rare occasions of spontaneous combustion these were not spontaneous no that doesn't work but feel free to show us the exterminationists work in area of research.

Because most people aren't regularly being set on fire, nor are there regular mass burnings of corpses under any controlled conditions. But I wager the same thing happens with mass destruction of livestock (goyim lol)--takes less fuel than you would think to burn them.

When is it a war crime? Before 45?

What law are you referring to?

I'm gambling right here you'll no longer take this line of attack because you don't really want to discuss legislation. Happy to be wrong though.

Ethnic cleansing of Christians in the Balkans and Armenia was deemed enough of a crime in the 19th century that the Ottoman Empire was systematically dismantled by the Russians and other European powers. Persecution of Christians in East Asia (especially Vietnam and China) were casus belli for European invasions and colonialism. Nearly all of African colonialism existed to shut down the slave trade which by its nature involved mass displacement.

Most of your "scholars" claim that Dresden bombin was a war crime, but terror bombing cities was not illegal in WW2 either. But there is enough precedent under international law that it was made a war crime, much as forced displacement is also now a crime.

Executing a few of their own for murdering the people they were murdering en mass explicitly does mean they didn't commit mass murder of nearly six million jews.

It doesn't in slightest, actually. Again, if the South hung particularly brutal and most importantly, socially discredited, slave owners, why wouldn't it be unusual for the occasional SS member to be shot for war crimes?

Forced labor aka slavery doesn't mean people were being mass murdered either so your point is stupid and refuted.

Slaves have an objectively higher rate of death in any society. It's also hilarious you're trying to argue the Nazis were into slavery despite trying to portray them as honorable Aryan superheroes.

What real support are you referring to?

Lemme guess right now. You don't actually have anything in mind.

Rosenberg had the most sense of the Nazi leadership in regards to Slavic policy and clashed with Himmler and Hitler over the vision for the East. This prevented the Nazis from fully using the White Movement. That's why there were numerous Russian formations on the Axis side instead of any singular force and they were only ever given civil authority over one area, in contrast to the Ukrainians.

If you're curious, which is a lie, then just ask me something and we can discuss it. Just don't complain when I refer to the most authoritative sources using primary source material.

You're peddling in hilarious alternate history pimped by a gaggle of neo-Nazis, so yes, I'm interested. This is like on the level of Harry Turtledove's books about aliens invading in WWII, that stuff is fun.

1/As pointed out, bits of bones is not a mass grave of hundreds of thousands of people.

2/The amount of disturbed ground is explained. Including the pits and trenches. See Mattogno on Treblinka.

3/Polish accounts are not evidence of mass murder either. People likely were buried there.

4/If you're tidying up the place why wouldn't you bury what you don't want to take with you?

5/Poles would loot the site for years because they may think there was something left of the deportation process of taxation that was going on.

6/ logical impossibility is an excellent field of argument made by people with clear understanding of logistics.

7/ Your question of where did they go is your last redoubt after being defeated on every other front. Unfortunately for you it's already been answered on this thread.

1/It is if the bodies have been cremated. You seem unfamiliar with how human remains are discovered. Cultures which cremate remains can be found only with bone fragments or by associated burial goods.
2/Then post it. His political identifications make him no more reliable than an Israeli source.
3/See, there we go again. "This source disagrees with me, ergo it is a lie." WHY are Polish sources "not evidence"
4/They buried cremation ovens too lol. But that's in the part that was actually unearthed. It doesn't make sense either--if it's just a transit camp, why destroy evidence it existed? What were they trying to hide? I mean you believe mass deportation was believed by the world to be totally acceptable until those damn dirty Jews banned it.
5/That doesn't make any sense. Why would there be anything leftover from that?
6/By their definitions of logistics, the entire WWII war effort from every side would be impossible.
7/Because it's the easiest, most simple argument you idiots can't account for and you're reduced to making hilarious fantasies about thousands of Jewish villages in Eastern Europe no one has ever found and which no first hand accounts from either Jew or Gentile have ever been written. Or was there something else in 200+ pages of flat earth-tier insanity?

Prove it.

So prove that theory wrong.

Proved both, dumbass. You know exactly what I'm referring to because your circle jerkers have to go into overdrive refutingit.

You literally just explain why a sentence later, schizo.

So all this disturbed ground is explained! Nice pilpul.

Except the radar can identify far deeper pits than a bunch of civilians could ever dig...unless of course they were digging pits that already existed.

You just said why.

Why would you loot a place known for massive amounts of travelers? You really are stepping up your thought process.

Nobody loots places known for massive amounts of travelers (which it wasn't, it was known as a place people never returned from). Meanwhile, people regularly loot graves. If people weren't dying left and right (which implies criminal negligence, which is also a war crime), why would they bother? Why wouldn't they loot the places they were supposedly resettled (which again, don't exist).

You don't understand anything about the real world, please take your meds. I know you jews are a walking time bomb of physical and mental disorders.

Except nobody in the real world believes this. Maybe ask yourself why your fellow whites are so easy deceived by da j00z. I'm just deceived by actual evidence.

I fear Save the Loli's time with us is drawing an end. But I hope for at least a few more vague teenage rants before he, like History Speaks and Stan disappears off to his bedroom in a rage never to be heard of again.

Probably. It's the same frustration as arguing with creationists or flat-earthers or communists or Covidians. You have no grip on reality and spout the same arguments, rudely without attribution to the shysters who invented them while holding me to far higher standards of evidence. It reminds me of arguing with the leftists who claim to want a good-faith argument about troons or COVID-19 or immigration or other hot topics. Kill yourself.

 

[Bonesjones]

Can't post any evidence besides empty claims.

Radar can't identify anything, which is why you actually have to dig up what you think are ground interruptions. Which is why the UN has specific guidelines for exhuming mass graves, which the holocaust liars have yet to do even once. Why is that?

So they dig up mass graves full of trash and can't even find one body? Wow. Jew magic.

I'm not concerned with what people believe, only the truth. Not surprising a jew would take the monicre of a pedophile though.

Sorry you try to argue using generic Jewish pilpul instead of debating basic logical facts. Maybe next you can explain how the jews are so abhorrent as a people, they refuse to sing the praises of their white saviors? No gratitude from their relief of extinction, only endless curses. So which is it the jews are awful thankless people or the holocaust is a lie?

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Can't post any evidence besides empty claims.

Radar can't identify anything, which is why you actually have to dig up what you think are ground interruptions. Which is why the UN has specific guidelines for exhuming mass graves, which the holocaust liars have yet to do even once. Why is that?

The spots match where Polish looters reported finding all sorts of bones and ash.

The real reason why Holocaust graves aren't unearthed is because it's illegal in Jewish law to do so. Despite that, they still accidently find them every now and then. Here's one found in 2019 with over 1,200 people in the former site of the Jewish ghetto in Belarus, some with bullets in their heads. This isn't some conspiracy to hide evidence of the Holocaust, it's how mass graves are treated across the world like the people. For instance, there has not legally been an excavated Native American burial mound in the US in decades because tribes unanimously oppose disturbing them. But we know they actually are graves because eyewitness accounts of people who looted there in the past and present confirm, just like we know there actually are a lot of mass graves.

Funny thing is future Europeans, Islamic in faith and culture, will inevitably dig up these mass graves and assuming there's any scholarly tradition left, will inevitably find what the cursory examinations permitted by the Jews have found--ashes and bone fragments, when they aren't finding the Einsatzgruppen massacres where they dumped the bodies in a pit.

So they dig up mass graves full of trash and can't even find one body? Wow. Jew magic.

I'm not concerned with what people believe, only the truth. Not surprising a jew would take the monicre of a pedophile though.

You're the one trying to make Nazis like convicted child rapist Oskar Dirlewanger look like innocent communist-fighting heroes. Also, tell me why there's so much ash and bone fragments there.

Sorry you try to argue using generic Jewish pilpul instead of debating basic logical facts. Maybe next you can explain how the jews are so abhorrent as a people, they refuse to sing the praises of their white saviors? No gratitude from their relief of extinction, only endless curses. So which is it the jews are awful thankless people or the holocaust is a lie?

I'm giving all sorts of logical facts, you just don't believe them because it contradicts your worldview, because for whatever reason, your worldview hinges on the Holocaust not happening (because communist-funded post-war German neo-Nazis said so) since your ideology is too cowardly to take credit for what should be its own achievements).

 

[Bonesjones]

The spots match where Polish looters reported finding all sorts of bones and ash.

So no one did any scientific study to determine what was found and where? They heard people digging through some trash for loot found stuff and thought that was good? Oh yeah because it's illegal to question the holocaust and there's large incentive not to. Weird how the narrative exists one way despite no actual studies.

The real reason why Holocaust graves aren't unearthed is because it's illegal in Jewish law to do so.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/disinterment. Oh look it isn't. How inconvenient.

Here's one found in 2019 with over 1,200 people in the former site of the Jewish ghetto in Belarus, some with bullets in their heads.

So no one did any scientific study on who, what, when? They just give a broad estimate of some dead bodies and assume from there. If only some were shot that means you have a pile of bodies who died from natural causes ie typhus and some who were killed, probably for looting or sucking baby dicks, since we know Rabbi have an insatiable thirst for cutting and sucking them.

This isn't some conspiracy to hide evidence of the Holocaust, it's how mass graves are treated across the world like the people.

Yes making it illegal to question the holocaust is literally a conspiracy to hide evidence of it not happening, you fucking retard.

For instance, there has not legally been an excavated Native American burial mound in the US in decades because tribes unanimously oppose disturbing them.

There's also am incentive for Indians to deny excavations of "burial mounds" for themselves.

Funny thing is future Europeans, Islamic in faith and culture, will inevitably dig up these mass graves and assuming there's any scholarly tradition left, will inevitably find what the cursory examinations permitted by the Jews have found--ashes and bone fragments, when they aren't finding the Einsatzgruppen massacres where they dumped the bodies in a pit.

So now they are cursory examinations? I thought they were full discovery? You are just another idiot who can't keep their story straight. Many such cases.

You're the one trying to make Nazis like convicted child rapist Oskar Dirlewanger look like innocent communist-fighting heroes. Also, tell me why there's so much ash and bone fragments there.

No one is defending anyone personally, we only deny the false holocaust narrative. Unfortunately you've poisoned the well in terms of truth, so it's impossible to tell how much of a monster some notorious figures of the Nazis actually were. Ilsa was only convicted of stealing from prisoners, despite wild accusations of turning people into lampshades and newts and whatever else you schizo jews could think up.

Also since when did jews ever have a problem with child rape? We all know the lines from the Talmud, the relentless push from Jewish ran organizations trying to legitimize it, etc.

No you aren't, you've contradicted yourself several times in only a handful of posts.

I notice you also ignored the last part. Jews truly are the synagogue of Satan. Completely unable to give sincere gratitude.

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

Just hopping in to say that I’ve recently found out that my grandfather, a WWII vet who fought in a tank crew, was an ardent holocaust denier until the day he died. I never got the chance to talk with him about it - I only found out about it from my mom after talking about the Kanye interview with Alex Jones.

That alone has put more doubts in my mind than any oven, wooden door, or holocoaster meme. This guy was there - the sole survivor of his tank, fighting on the front lines and he said the holocaust was all made up. Really thunk provoking.

 

[mrolonzo]

Because most people aren't regularly being set on fire, nor are there regular mass burnings of corpses under any controlled conditions. But I wager the same thing happens with mass destruction of livestock (goyim lol)--takes less fuel than you would think to burn them.

You seem to think I don't deserve a reply from you here. Any reason why?

So you're saying that when alot of people get set on fire you think you need less fuel "than one would think" to burn them.

So how much fuel is that and how do you know?

Perhaps an example of livestock burning would be instructive?

Ethnic cleansing of Christians in the Balkans and Armenia was deemed enough of a crime in the 19th century that the Ottoman Empire was systematically dismantled by the Russians and other European powers. Persecution of Christians in East Asia (especially Vietnam and China) were casus belli for European invasions and colonialism. Nearly all of African colonialism existed to shut down the slave trade which by its nature involved mass displacement.

Are you referring to some law that everyone agreed to in this these conflicts or is this more of a fantasy?

Nearly all African colonialism was about shutting down the slave trade? Is that another fantasy you came up with?

Most of your "scholars" claim that Dresden bombin was a war crime, but terror bombing cities was not illegal in WW2 either. But there is enough precedent under international law that it was made a war crime, much as forced displacement is also now a crime.

Yes a war crime on the basis of murdering civilians by bombing non military targets. Not just because they bombed Dresden.

When was displacement made a war crime and how does that apply to nazis?

It doesn't in slightest, actually. Again, if the South hung particularly brutal and most importantly, socially discredited, slave owners, why wouldn't it be unusual for the occasional SS member to be shot for war crimes?

If a slave owner is hung in the south it's not for owning slaves. Because slavery was legal.

If the exampled nazi is shot in the Reich it's for murdering jews, but that was supposed to be actual policy.

Except of course it wasnt policy and therefore they were hung for murder. Point refuted.

Slaves have an objectively higher rate of death in any society. It's also hilarious you're trying to argue the Nazis were into slavery despite trying to portray them as honorable Aryan superheroes.

Yes maybe so. Doesn't mean the aim is to kill them. Point refuted.

Rosenberg had the most sense of the Nazi leadership in regards to Slavic policy and clashed with Himmler and Hitler over the vision for the East. This prevented the Nazis from fully using the White Movement. That's why there were numerous Russian formations on the Axis side instead of any singular force and they were only ever given civil authority over one area, in contrast to the Ukrainians.

Ok so what real support are you referring to ?

And what white movement are you referring to? Slavs are white.

You're peddling in hilarious alternate history pimped by a gaggle of neo-Nazis, so yes, I'm interested. This is like on the level of Harry Turtledove's books about aliens invading in WWII, that stuff is fun.

Ok. Great but I can prove it's not fun for you. All I have to do is dig down into the details. Then suddenly you won't want to play anymore.

1/It is if the bodies have been cremated. You seem unfamiliar with how human remains are discovered. Cultures which cremate remains can be found only with bone fragments or by associated burial goods.

How many bodies is the issue. Your argument requires an enormous amount of bone and teeth.

2/Then post it. His political identifications make him no more reliable than an Israeli source.

Post what exactly? What is it you're looking for?
I cited the study. Are you going to whine when I screenshot the studies like your fellow travellers did?

Carlo Mattogno is a catholic. That's about it. And Israeli sources can do revisionist history too and credibly so.

3/See, there we go again. "This source disagrees with me, ergo it is a lie." WHY are Polish sources "not evidence"

Because they could just be telling tall tales. And this has been found repeatedly. Words are only that.

4/They buried cremation ovens too lol. But that's in the part that was actually unearthed. It doesn't make sense either--if it's just a transit camp, why destroy evidence it existed? What were they trying to hide? I mean you believe mass deportation was believed by the world to be totally acceptable until those damn dirty Jews banned it.

What cremation oven is unearthed that you're referring to? In Belzec, Sobibor, treblinka?

These places were transit camps were taxation was confiscated and some people did die. It was cleared and then guarded after closing to prevent looting. That's about it.

5/That doesn't make any sense. Why would there be anything leftover from that?

It doesn't actually mean anything was leftover of note. But alot of people passed through so they had reason to think something may have been left over as in missed. Especially if they think it was Jews known or thought to be hiding valuables.

6/By their definitions of logistics, the entire WWII war effort from every side would be impossible.

Why would you say that? Clearly alot of logistics is possible.

7/Because it's the easiest, most simple argument you idiots can't account for and you're reduced to making hilarious fantasies about thousands of Jewish villages in Eastern Europe no one has ever found and which no first hand accounts from either Jew or Gentile have ever been written. Or was there something else in 200+ pages of flat earth-tier insanity?

We simply go with the evidence we have. We don't make firm claims about Jewish resettlement villages in the east. Its your side that claimed these have to exist. Nevertheless they where did they go debate is thoroughly examined in codoh forums and a number of works.

Probably. It's the same frustration as arguing with creationists or flat-earthers or communists or Covidians. You have no grip on reality and spout the same arguments, rudely without attribution to the shysters who invented them while holding me to far higher standards of evidence. It reminds me of arguing with the leftists who claim to want a good-faith argument about troons or COVID-19 or immigration or other hot topics. Kill yourself.

Its obviously not, because whereas we rely on fundamental physics you rely on absolutely no hard evidence.

I'm not even holding you to some high standard of evidence. Anything concrete will do at this point.

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