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Its not true to say that they were all tortured for these trials.
However, they didn't need to be. This collection of observations is instructive:
The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers
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Its not true to say that they were all tortured for these trials.
However, they didn't need to be. This collection of observations is instructive:
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Okay, I'll bite. What's in all the pits that ground-penetrating radar shows were all around Treblinka? Why do fragments of bone keep popping up there like they do in literally every other place proven to have mass graves (which don't pop up in false positives like the Canadian residential schools).
Why do you people always go for the outlandish stories that actually are proven false? Oh wait, could it be because it's just a meme ideology you have, so you can only go with the memes? Hence why you guys obsess over newspapers from 1918 talking about 6 million starving Jews like it's a gotcha.
Your average anti-partisan unit alone raped and mutilated more kids than all the Weimar pedos combined. And don't forget the part where the Nazis abducted the "most Germanic" children from Slavic nations to "reclaim their German-ness" and some of them ended up abused and molested.
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1/ Because people probably did either arrive there dead or die there from various natural causes and even one body leaves alot of bone fragments.
2/ We don't go for the outlandish stories. The Nuremberg trials literally accepted these stories then others in the great game of compensation wrote more. We point them out to show how easily people lie about this. Moreover almost all the accounts are outlandish or deeply flawed which is why no one on this thread has ever wanted to talk about them.
3/ The anti partisan units didn't do any such thing. One of their duties was hearts and minds so such actions would be counter to the mission as well as every regulation of the whermact.
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Not if it's burnt on a pyre or crematorium. These are also bones of fingers and toes which are exposed to less heat during the process. Many bones would've been totally incinerated. I'd also love to know what Treblinka (for instance, LIDAR shows similar results around other camps) was for if people "arrived there dead or died there from natural causes." Why was there a supposedly benign internment camp so full of people they were all dying of "natural causes?" Mass internment and relocation of people is called a war crime.
Yes, and everyone accepts those were false claims made up by Nazis because there's no evidence for them (kind of, human soap was made like once or twice). Nobody in reality accepts the wild claims made by you and your fellow circle jerkers here because there's no evidence, while the best interpretation of the evidence suggests that millions died under the watch of Nazi Germany. That's actual history, not denying all the evidence you don't personally like and coming up with outlandish interpretations of what remains.
They killed women and children all the time and enacted reprisals against entire villages. Holocaust denial is pretty old hat, but trying to deny every single German war crime in WWII is even more hilarious when there's ample evidence they raped and murdered millions of people in Eastern Europe because Generalplan Ost was the entire goal of the Nazi regime. The only reason they didn't kill more people and started with the Jews is because they needed local collaborators like the Ukrainians (and because the Nazis couldn't decide on a cohesive foreign policy) and Jews were the easiest to get people to kill.
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1/ There was no krema there which there would have to have been for that many bodies and the claimed pyre wouldn't work either as shown in this thread as bodies don't create their own heat when being burned.
It was a transit camp part of aktion rheinhard where valuables were confiscated to pay for deportation. Some people would naturally die during deportation. It's not a war crime.
2/ These claims were made by Jews. We destroyed your claims and offer the more reasonable explanation of events. That's all.
3/ They did not kill x, y and z all the time. Which is why there is so little evidence of it. General plan Ost was one of a number of considerations. Nazis didn't just kill people be they Ukrainian or Jews. They admitted Ukrainian troops into the SS and executed their own SS officers who murdered Jews so this whole accusation is entirely refuted.
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I don't know, why not exhume the lot and see if you can find 6 million corpses worth of bones?
Says the person who believes that a nation in the middle of a massive fuel, manpower and general supply shortage - in the midst of a two front war - rounded up 6 million+ people, executed them with roller coasters, trained bear/eagle combos, masturbation machines, and all other Saw-esque type traps, plus gas, and then destroyed their bodies so efficiently and secretly that no forensic evidence can be produced to support these claims, while also simultaneously being so bad at this elimination that hundreds of thousands of people 'survived' these death camps (sometimes multiple camps!) by holding their breath, bribing the bears with cupcakes, or magical fairy dust.
What's next, Hitler was personally at Katyn decapitating Poles with a lightsabre while riding a hoverboard?
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Fat burns readily when heated, it's called the wick effect
Mass deportation aka ethnic cleansing is a war crime according to literally everyone. Unless the Soviet-backed deportations of Germans post-1945 were okay.
LOL that's like creationists denying any claim made by an atheist. Or people saying because it was made by a Nazi it was wrong. There's nothing reasonable about anything you claim.
Why are there pictures of mounds of corpses? Why did they say explicitly say they killed people left and right, especially in Poland. Executing a few of their own for overstepping their bounds doesn't mean they didn't commit war crimes any more than slavery was okay because a few slave owners were imprisoned for mistreating their slaves.
Generalplan Ost was indeed only one of many considerations because Nazi foreign policy couldn't make up its mind. That's why they never gave any real support to anti-communist forces in Europe hence why they lost the war.
The evidence sure matches every German account that says a few hundred thousand people were sent there and never returned when you check the number of pits by how much ash partially burned corpses make.
Rattling off a string of Holocaust memes no one actually claims isn't an argument. This is why you people are akin to flat earthers or creationists.
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Neither does accusing the other side of being "flat earth tier", with zero fucking sources posted at that.
You argue in bad faith thinking you can "gotcha" people, ignore what is said to you, rehash shit that has been already more than refuted earlier in the thread.
Also you like "loli" anime (making you a pedo) and you're a nigger. Holocaust yourself faggot. By which I mean, die of typhus.
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Nice projection, faggot. I've addressed everything said to me, given my sources, but I guess it doesn't count since it doesn't agree with your circle jerk here.
Personally I'm most curious about the guy denying all Nazi war crimes. Like obviously it's the logical conclusion of Holocaust denialism to deny the Germans did anything wrong to Polish civilians, Italian prisoners of war, etc. but it's great encountering someone like that in the wild.
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Did you claim that the fat on the jews body accounted for the lack of fuel available to properly cremate the bodies?
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"There are no bodies because they cremated them all to dust."
"Where did the fuel come from for that?""Well they don't need that much fuel, they had crematoriums.""Well that doesn't seem possible and the evidence you're showing is burn pits, not even crematoriums.""That is because they did most of the burning outside.""THAT REQUIRES EVEN MORE FUEL SO WHERE DID THE FUEL COME FROM?" "They don't need much, they had fat jews to fuel specially designed magic crematoriums!""What? You just said they used burn pits! Now magic crematoriums? This is implausible on its face! Where's the evidence?" "Well here is a memo from a guy who knew a guy that heard in a bar that it happened, and a patent application from after the war!""What? That isn't evidence, just some statements we can't verify. Show some photographs or maybe-" "All the evidence was destroyed so you can never prove me wrong, ever, just trust me on this bro!"The only 'advantage' to these guys all quoting from the same handbook is that you can do the same right back at them, and for this case I have a nice effort post regarding the use of human fat as fuel.
You could theoretically take a fat human cadaver, butcher it to extract all the fats from the corpse in a gross manner, take those fatty deposits, render them with fine grinding and then liquify with heat until you have sterilization and good flow. From there you proceed with a transesterification reaction (on which there is very little research regarding human fats for the obvious reasons), but we can use the processing of beef tallow as a handy stand-in. Due to the high levels of free fatty acids in mammal tallow (tallow is purified and rendered fat) you need an initial esterification process with an acid like sulfuric acid for example (very common industrial acid) to decrease these proportions and then drain the resultant waste glycerol. Then you can move to the second stage, where the tallow can be mixed with whatever catalyst you have handy and methanol, (by the way this stage requires constant heating and stirring over a period of time) to allow for efficient transesterification. At the end of this process you have a liquid fuel that can be blended with more traditional diesel fuels to run diesel motors, heaters, etc. Also this process was only developed and industrialized recently, in the 1980s and is only really economic in areas where there is a ready source of animal fats (in livestock rearing areas that produce lots of fat waste) and where you also want to reduce reliance on traditional petroleum based fuels. So likely not the case, barring some magical secret German patent that somebody's brother's cousin's coworker's former roommate wrote about while under Soviet interrogation.
At a more reasonable point (and I use the term very loosely), we might task some of our theoretical Sonderkommandos to butcher out all the fat Jews from the Netherlands to harvest their fat (presuming that we have a steady supply of said Jews at the rates and obesity levels required) and then taken the raw fat and tried to use it as fuel. Pure tallow is not an easy fuel to work with, but presumably you could fill troughs or vessels at the base of the crematorium with fat, liquify it with heat from your coal/natural gas/diesel burners and attempt to ignite it once liquified. This presents a number of engineering issues, chief among them is that, unless rendered down, raw fat is highly variable in composition and behavior. This means that there can be some very unpredictable performance; first a problem because you want steady, controlled heating and secondly it could easily result in damaging the crematorium's primary burners or ruining the secondary fat burners. Any possible gains in efficiency could be very easily lost in maintenance trouble and of course the capital costs of designing and retrofitting the crematoriums to work with animal fat.
Alternatively you could simply try to combust the human fat without processing at all, which means that it is still distributed throughout the corpse after loading in the crematorium - which presents similar issues of unpredictability, inefficiency and possible damage to the crematorium. With those fat deposits locked in the cadaver, it is difficult (or at least impractical) to determine the total amount of fat and when it may combust - so how does the operator know when to reduce the fuel flow to let the fat burning 'take over' and for how long? Does he just reduce the fuel rate over the entire period, or cut it off during the flare? (It may surprise you to know that it is not efficient to just dump a load of fuel in all at once, and instead better to deliver it at a controlled rate.) Then we have another issue that comes with a rapid, energetic combustion of a fuel source that may still be wrapped inside some pressure containing vessel like say...dehydrated skin. The rapid buildup of pressure as the fat combusts can cause an explosive over-pressurization which could be damaging to your cremation unit - for a traditional single fixed tray unit this may not be a very serious concern, but for complex and mechanically convoluted designs like the ones purported to exist such events could severely damage the unit and take it out of commission for some time.
Perhaps I misspoke earlier, but I'll clarify; the use of human fat as a combustible fuel is theoretically possible, but not practical or feasible in the time (1940s) or manner that has been proposed by these retards
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I originally did that effortpost in response to you, idiot. Since you also claimed that fat Jews were used to power thermodynamic-breaking mega-crematoriums that existed only as super secret patents that would not function and were never shown to ever be built, even as prototypes.
If you don't believe it, why did you post it?
I'll quote myself: You purport to be an academic with considerable education and subject matter expertise in this area in particular, and discussions of this topic should not be novel, so why do you seem so ill-equipped to respond in a measured and clear fashion?
When fuel was first brought up it was "oh the corpses are like 70 pounds and starved cadavers" then it was "well the crematoriums were more efficient because german magic" then "well I have a secret patent that purports to use the corpse's fat as fuel" and now to "well they spiked the starved cadaver supply with a fat one here and there" except with a dozen histrionic posts between every step. If you were a well informed academic with tons of material (not anecdotal or narrative) evidence to support you then step one would have been to present the complete truth in one simple, clear post. Not drag this affair out like you have nothing to support your point and are desperately searching the internet for anything you can copy-paste in while deliberately being obtuse and obnoxious.
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Answer me this: If jews were exterminated and kiled by millions, why are now heads of states, banks and multinationals corporations?
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Hanging out on the internet and calling others niggers all day long won't bring the Reich back.
For the same reasons many Christians in Britain at the turn of the 19th century wished to give the Jews a state: White and Christian guilt. The other reason are that Jews, like Catholics value education and so leave a far bigger footprint on Western society compared to their peers.
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Says you
That occurred over centuries and decades. The Holocaust happened less than 100 years ago.
I'm curious as to how Jews were able to bounce back so fast that now they are able to control everything...
My theory is that the Holocaust only happened to 100 or 200 jews, yet like all Jews they exaggerated the number and took all those victim points to make other countries do what they want.
Answer me this: how can you make 6 million jews in less than 100 years so your population rivals that of a country? You can't. The Holocaust is a lie.
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People kind of forget that the death camps were on the eastern front which could imply that a lot of those deaths that actually happened were actually soviet war crimes. Also there was never a signing off on the final solution by Hitler himself but who cares about that?
Pray tell, where did I post this?
I think I told you that this entire issue was irrelevant and it didn't matter if the pyres were 10% less efficient or whatever due to low human fat combustion. I still think that. You're wasting your time here. You're an artist man