The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[mrolonzo]

Look up the pools Solomon used to water his personal forest. They were definitely a super power historically during the initial push into caanan as well as when David established the royal dynasty that continued through his son Solomon before the kingdom was fractured and never regained that level of might.

Or are all history records falsified and you can't trust anything, but clearly, superior internet sleuths? I guess that is my biggest assumption.

Currently Israel is leading cyber warfare as a nation state, and it's really impressive what they have been able to accomplish as such a relatively small entity compared to the US or china or russia.

This isn't an opinion, but historical, empirically verifiable fact:

Israel was and is bad ass.

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Do you mean bad ass as in inherently criminal up to state level?

Hitler actually predicted this.

 

[Chugger]

Who is it you want to speak up about resettlement?

I don't "want" anyone to speak about resettlement numnuts. I just think they would have if it was real. due to the sheer numbers

as I said in this post, these witnesses would include

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2-4 million deported Jews and anyone they might have talked to about their experiences​

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1-60 million Soviet citizens who would have witnessed the deported Jews being alive somewhere. This depends on how secretive the Germans and then the Soviets were about what they did with the deported Jews. If they simply let the deported Jews out to roam the land, likely many would hear about it and spread stories​

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100k to 5 million Germans and allied forces who would have witnessed the deported Jews being alive somewhere. Even if the camps were super secretive, many thousands of Germans would be needed to guard them, and there would have been thousands more witnesses to the massive transports of deported Jews being sent somewhere. After the war a significant portion of these people (more than half probably) would reside outside the iron curtain.​

3. Of course. In about a century, arabs will clearly outnumber Jews in Palestine. So they have a clear right to give back what was done to them don't you think?

no. two wrongs don't make a right.

But assume I'm asking the question in reference to the US or Nazi Germany :

If "another group" wanted to deprive the Jews of various legal rights and mass deport them, would you be OK with this?

 

[Sam Hyde Simp]

Do you mean bad ass as in inherently criminal up to state level?

Hitler actually predicted this.

Hitler was a

Spoiler: meth head

Hitler hardcore tweaking on meth, like the Tiger tank he was constantly breaking down.

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, who kept firing his top generals, pulled resources off of finishing their nuke & jet powered plane--
that would have been an easy way to deliver the payload across the pond ending the war,
and finally he stupidly marched against Russia during winter and lost the war due to his own hubris

In his personal diary he said "Today I have entered an agreement with the devil"

Also it is a misnomer to call them jews since that was only a single tribe (Judah) and DNA tests prove that at least one other tribe (Benjamin) survived the frequent historical exiles/ genocides.

 

[mrolonzo]

I don't "want" anyone to speak about resettlement numnuts. I just think they would have if it was real. due to the sheer numbers

as I said in this post, these witnesses would include

​

2-4 million deported Jews and anyone they might have talked to about their experiences​

​

1-60 million Soviet citizens who would have witnessed the deported Jews being alive somewhere. This depends on how secretive the Germans and then the Soviets were about what they did with the deported Jews. If they simply let the deported Jews out to roam the land, likely many would hear about it and spread stories​

​

100k to 5 million Germans and allied forces who would have witnessed the deported Jews being alive somewhere. Even if the camps were super secretive, many thousands of Germans would be needed to guard them, and there would have been thousands more witnesses to the massive transports of deported Jews being sent somewhere. After the war a significant portion of these people (more than half probably) would reside outside the iron curtain.​

no. two wrongs don't make a right.

But assume I'm asking the question in reference to the US or Nazi Germany :

If "another group" wanted to deprive the Jews of various legal rights and mass deport them, would you be OK with this?

1. Ok but that's stupid. But ok let's agree that the holocaust didn't happen in the west and resettlement didn't happen in the east?

2. So the Jews in Israel are illegitimate? Is that what you're saying?

Oy vey

Also, are you saying an ethnic majority has no right to define itself and its lands in exclusionary fashion?

Hitler was a

Spoiler: meth head

Hitler hardcore tweaking on meth, like the Tiger tank he was constantly breaking down.

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, who kept firing his top generals, pulled resources off of finishing their nuke & jet powered plane--
that would have been an easy way to deliver the payload across the pond ending the war,
and finally he stupidly marched against Russia during winter and lost the war due to his own hubris

In his personal diary he said "Today I have entered an agreement with the devil"

Also it is a misnomer to call them jews since that was only a single tribe (Judah) and DNA tests prove that at least one other tribe (Benjamin) survived the frequent historical exiles/ genocides.

Hitler had a diary?

What the fuck is this shit?

 

[Sam Hyde Simp]

1. Ok but that's stupid. But ok let's agree that the holocaust didn't happen in the west and resettlement didn't happen in the east?

2. So the Jews in Israel are illegitimate? Is that what you're saying?

Oy vey

Also, are you saying an ethnic majority has no right to define itself and its lands in exclusionary fashion?








Hitler had a diary?

What the fuck is this shit?

Yeah I was wrong diaries were a hoax
But this is cool:

FBI documents declassified by the 1998 Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act,[46] which began to be released online by the early 2010s,[47] contain a number of alleged sightings of Hitler in Europe, South America, and the United States, some of which assert that he changed his appearance via plastic surgery or by shaving off his toothbrush moustache.[48][49] Although some notable individuals speculated that Hitler could have survived, including General of the Army Dwight D. Eisenhower and Lieutenant John F. Kennedy in mid-1945,[50][51][e] the documents state that the alleged sightings of Hitler could not be verified.[52] Historian Richard J. Evans notes that the FBI was obliged to document such claims no matter how "erroneous or deranged" they were.[53]

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Conspiracy theories about Adolf Hitler's death - Wikipedia

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[mrolonzo]

Yeah I was wrong diaries were a hoax
But this is cool:

FBI documents declassified by the 1998 Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act,[46] which began to be released online by the early 2010s,[47] contain a number of alleged sightings of Hitler in Europe, South America, and the United States, some of which assert that he changed his appearance via plastic surgery or by shaving off his toothbrush moustache.[48][49] Although some notable individuals speculated that Hitler could have survived, including General of the Army Dwight D. Eisenhower and Lieutenant John F. Kennedy in mid-1945,[50][51][e] the documents state that the alleged sightings of Hitler could not be verified.[52] Historian Richard J. Evans notes that the FBI was obliged to document such claims no matter how "erroneous or deranged" they were.[53]

Spoiler: Source

Conspiracy theories about Adolf Hitler's death - Wikipedia

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Ok this is based.

Fuck Richard Evan's though.

 

[Chugger]

Ok but that's stupid.

why?

But ok let's agree that the holocaust didn't happen in the west and resettlement didn't happen in the east?

if that's what you think maybe you should talk to JohnDoe and flesh out the moon resettlement theory

you should also explain where Mattogno and just about all revisionists have gone wrong in saying deportation and resettlement occurred on a mass scale

2. So the Jews in Israel are illegitimate? Is that what you're saying?

I don't know what you mean by illegitimate. Specifically the expulsion of arabs was wrong, and I disagree with a lot of their foreign policy for ethical reasons. Nice job evading the question so far tho

 

[mrolonzo]

why?


if that's what you think maybe you should talk to JohnDoe and flesh out the moon resettlement theory

you should also explain where Mattogno and just about all revisionists have gone wrong in saying deportation and resettlement occurred on a mass scale


I don't know what you mean by illegitimate. Specifically the expulsion of arabs was wrong, and I disagree with a lot of their foreign policy for ethical reasons. Nice job evading the question so far tho

1. Too many unreal assumptions. But feel free to establish that all this could have been done.

2. They're fucking with you, you dolt.

3. Too much vagueness again about revisionists.

4. Are we going to agree on this or not? No bodies in the west none in the east. Nor any of the Jewish reserve the nazis planned. This is a fair compromise you can agree to.

5. By illegitimate they had no right to force their way in and take over. So Israel is illegitimate and moreover do you give arabs the right to return?

 

[Aves]

2. You want them to discuss evidence they don't have?

Ok, so you do agree that there isn’t any witness statements of anyone (Jewish or not), economic documentation, or infrastructure, showing that millions of Jews lived in the east as of yet.

Why is there no evidence?

 

[Aves]

1. Too many unreal assumptions.

why?

 

[mrolonzo]

Ok, so you do agree that there isn’t any witness statements of anyone (Jewish or not), economic documentation, or infrastructure, showing that millions of Jews lived in the east.

Why is there no evidence?

Same reason there's no evidence of the holocaust in the west or bodies in the ground in the east.

why?

Why there are too many assumptions here? We're talking about millions of people. You'll need some hard evidence here.

 

[mgc]

1. Who is it you want to speak up about resettlement?

I think he wants literally one person (a witness, or a resettled Jew) to speak up and say "Jews were transited out of the Nazi camp system and resettled in location x."

You and Mattogno and other deniers claim that millions of Jews were transited out of the camps and resettled despite no evidence for the existence of resettlements (no testimony, single residue of economic activity, no infrastructure, no letters or other forms of communications, no film or pictures). But common sense requires us to dismiss you as crazy people, because communities comprising millions of people that existed in Europe during the 1940s would leave some trace.

 

[Chugger]

1. Too many unreal assumptions. But feel free to establish that all this could have been done.

which assumption is unreal?

2. They're fucking with you, you dolt.

I'm fucking with you, you dolt

3. Too much vagueness again about revisionists.

Himmler used the word "resettlement" in reference to the deportation of the non-working Jewish population of the general government, which is why I use the term . but revisionists offer no evidence that sheds any light on the fate of these people, so it's your hypothesis that is vague, sorry

. Are we going to agree on this or not? No bodies in the west none in the east. Nor any of the Jewish reserve the nazis planned. This is a fair compromise you can agree to.

your "compromises" are retarded mrolonzo . There's forensic studies stating mass graves full of destroyed bodies at the Reinhard camps and Chelmno. you can say nuh uh, but I believe it so , no agreement here

By illegitimate they had no right to force their way in and take over. So Israel is illegitimate and moreover do you give arabs the right to return?

yes, if this could be done peacefully. Furthermore I would dissolve the state of Israel or create a binational state

But common sense requires us to dismiss you as crazy people, because communities comprising millions of people that existed in Europe during the 1940s would leave some trace.

where did you get this image from lol

 

[mrolonzo]

I think he wants literally one person (a witness, or a resettled Jew) to speak up and say "Jews were transited out of the Nazi camp system and resettled in location x."

You and Mattogno and other deniers claim that millions of Jews were transited out of the camps and resettled despite no evidence for the existence of resettlements (no testimony, single residue of economic activity, no infrastructure, no letters or other forms of communications, no film or pictures). But common sense requires us to dismiss you as crazy people, because communities comprising millions of people that existed in Europe during the 1940s would leave some trace.
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Well we don't have that but we do have numerous documents referencing resettlement in the east and the arrival of some jews.

So given there are no bodies in west or east to make the holocaust and the methods of mass execution are debunked its clear that the nazi plans for a Jewish reserve didn't come to pass, the jews ended up where they are which conforms with the turn of the war in 42 and the lack of bodies anywhere.

This is just a sensible conclusion over the silly ideas about gas chambers using zyklon b or engine fumes for no reason.

which assumption is unreal?


I'm fucking with you, you dolt


Himmler used the word "resettlement" in reference to the deportation of the non-working Jewish population of the general government, which is why I use the term . but revisionists offer no evidence that sheds any light on the fate of these people, so it's your hypothesis that is vague, sorry


your "compromises" are retarded mrolonzo . There's forensic studies stating mass graves full of destroyed bodies at the Reinhard camps and Chelmno. you can say nuh uh, but I believe it so , no agreement here


yes, if this could be done peacefully. Furthermore I would dissolve the state of Israel or create a binational state


where did you get this image from lol

1. Which assumptions are justified?

2. LMAO. A bit of honesty for once

3. It does get vague in the east, which is no surprise.

4. LMAO. The Kola study of Belzec actually found about 133 soporified remains in haphazard graves therefore much more likely the remains of the previous gypsy camp that existed there. Similarly for Sobibor. Chelmo is worse. There's no holocaust in the west. But if you want to bring it all back to a fight in the west im happy to.

5. What if it couldn't be done peacefully?

6. He already posted this. Not a bad meme. But he posts it again, to again, spam the thread.

 

[mgc]

Well we don't have that but we do have numerous documents referencing resettlement in the east and the arrival of some jews.

Please show me a documented example of Jews being transited out of the Reinhardt camps and resettled in the East, which is something Mattogno says happened.

Deportations to the east in 1941, before the Holocaust (as a pan-European extermination policy) began or the extermination camps were open, are completely irrelevant, and Mattogno is misleading you when he implies otherwise

Deportations of slave laborers to camps in the West are also irrelevant. We are claiming that millions of Jews disappeared in the Nazi camp system, we do not deny they were transported from one camp to another.

BTW tons of bodies and mass graves have been found, you guys just claim they are faked or ignore them.

 

[Aves]

Same reason there's no evidence of the holocaust in the west or bodies in the ground in the east.



Why there are too many assumptions here? We're talking about millions of people. You'll need some hard evidence

You literally said multiple times that Jews not only are super hard to censor, but also tell basically everyone they are Jewish. Where are the witnesses and infrastructure of those living in the east. showing that any of these Jews taken eastward do in fact exist?

Millions of people don’t simply disappear, especially people as talkative as Jews. Why do you not have any evidence of them existing in the east? Where are the eastern witnesses? Where are the infrastructure made by resettled Jews? Where are the many Jews themselves talking about their resettlement? Where are the Eastern Europeans talking about how a bunch of Jews randomly entered their town?

I can only think of a few reasons why you don’t have evidence, if you have more I want to hear them

1. The Soviets destroyed/covered the existence of every single Jew and silenced every witness that would have seen them, along with every documentation of them living in the east

2. The Jews weren’t actually resettled East, and were sent somewhere else (but not murdered)

3. They were resettled east, but the nazis still shot them (lemmingwise’s theory)

4. The Jews were just killed and we never bothered to dig up the bodies (the extermination theory).

5. The Jews all agreed to silence themselves to further push the “myth” of the holocaust.

If anyone has any other theories please feel free to add.

 

[BasedCentrist]

Furthermore I would dissolve the state of Israel or create a binational state

That's never going to happen, for an endless number of reasons. Furthermore, you're a niggerfaggot.
@History Speaks, so are you a shill or not?

 

[mrolonzo]

You literally said multiple times that Jews not only are super hard to censor, but also tell basically everyone they are Jewish. Where are the witnesses and infrastructure of those living in the east. showing that any of these Jews taken eastward do in fact exist?

Millions of people don’t simply disappear, especially people as talkative as Jews. Why do you not have any evidence of them existing in the east? Where are the eastern witnesses? Where are the infrastructure made by resettled Jews? Where are the many Jews themselves talking about their resettlement? Where are the Eastern Europeans talking about how a bunch of Jews randomly entered their town?

I can only think of a few reasons why you don’t have evidence, if you have more I want to hear them

1. The Soviets destroyed/covered the existence of every single Jew and silenced every witness that would have seen them, along with every documentation of them living in the east

2. The Jews weren’t actually resettled East, and were sent somewhere else (but not murdered)

3. They were resettled east, but the nazis still shot them (lemmingwise’s theory)

4. The Jews were just killed (the extermination theory).

5. The Jews all agreed to silence themselves to further push the “myth” of the holocaust.

If anyone has any other theories please feel free to add.

1. Millions of people do disappear if you've got the numbers wrong in the first place.

2. We have evidence that a smaller number of Jews made it east.

3. Option 7. There were far fewer Jews in control, none were gassed, many died in other ways, the rest scattered to the winds despite nazi plans to gather them in a Jewish reserve akin to the old Pale of settlement they were previously in. A balanced and deeply historical perspective.

Please show me a documented example of Jews being transited out of the Reinhardt camps and resettled in the East, which is something Mattogno says happened.

Deportations to the east in 1941, before the Holocaust (as a pan-European extermination policy) began or the extermination camps were open, are completely irrelevant, and Mattogno is misleading you when he implies otherwise

Deportations of slave laborers to camps in the West are also irrelevant. We are claiming that millions of Jews disappeared in the Nazi camp system, we do not deny they were transported from one camp to another.

BTW tons of bodies and mass graves have been found, you guys just claim they are faked or ignore them.

1. Specify what you want to talk about and tell me why you refuse to specifically quote Mattogno

2. Deportations are relevant. There was no extermination policy or camps.

3. Ok u're looking for about 1.5 million bodies worth in Auschwitz for a start. So go and show it in Auschwitz.

 

[Aves]

1. Millions of people do disappear if you've got the numbers wrong in the first place.

2. We have evidence that a smaller number of Jews made it east.

3. Option 7. There were far fewer Jews in control, none were gassed, many died in other ways, the rest scattered to the winds despite nazi plans to gather them in a Jewish reserve akin to the old Pale of settlement they were previously in. A balanced and deeply historical perspective.

1. Another denier, Kues, puts it at 1.9 million Jews (according to Chugger). HC blogs puts it at 2.3 million. Kues believes the Jews were taken to Soviet camps.

2. Finally, some evidence! Please link it

3. People do not “scatter to the winds.” Following mass deportations and movements comes copious amounts of evidence from both the deported people themselves, their families, and bystanders. That’s why people know of the Partition and of the Soviet deportations. Link me witnesses and other documentation that these million of Jews scattered to the east do in fact exist.

 

[mgc]

1. Millions of people do disappear if you've got the numbers wrong in the first place.

2. We have evidence that a smaller number of Jews made it east.

3. Option 7. There were far fewer Jews in control, none were gassed, many died in other ways, the rest scattered to the winds despite nazi plans to gather them in a Jewish reserve akin to the old Pale of settlement they were previously in. A balanced and deeply historical perspective.



1. Specify what you want to talk about and tell me why you refuse to specifically quote Mattogno

2. Deportations are relevant. There was no extermination policy or camps.

3. Ok u're looking for about 1.5 million bodies worth in Auschwitz for a start. So go and show it in Auschwitz.

Mattogno says that the (millions) of Jews sent to the Reinhardt camps were transited out of the camp system and resttled in the East.

Show me an example of Jews being transited out of the Reinhardt camps and resettled in the east. Evidence of the settlement itself (infrastructure, economic economic, a witness), OR evidence of train records showing Jews deported from the Reinhardt camps and sent to some place in the east, would suffice.