The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

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Ill bring this up about the moon landing, and why it differs from the holocaust:
You can charter time with surface side telescopes to see many of these with your own eyes, direct irrefutable proof of the flights and landings.
you don't think moon hoax conspiracists have an answer to this? https://www.discovermagazine.com/th...why-not-use-telescopes-to-look-at-the-landers

the objects are barely resolvable and they could have landed new ones at the sites in the 70s, 80s, 90s, etc to cover their traces . this probably increases the amount of conspirators into the thousands, which is still orders of magnitude below the millions of 'silent witnesses' to resettlement

the only working theory I've heard so far is from @Bonesjones. Apparently the Soviets committed mafia style genocide of all the resettled Jews (plus any Soviet witnesses), in order to create the illusion of another genocide they didn't even cover in their own textbooks

You mean aside from the fact that multicultural societies inevitably decline into low trust, low achievement shitholes at best and genocidal ethno-sectarian conflict at worst?
all non-white groups in the US advocate for multiculturalism, this is duh. the problem with Jews is they are too good at it?
 
you don't think moon hoax conspiracists have an answer to this? https://www.discovermagazine.com/th...why-not-use-telescopes-to-look-at-the-landers

the objects are barely resolvable and they could have landed new ones at the sites in the 70s, 80s, 90s, etc to cover their traces . this probably increases the amount of conspirators into the thousands, which is still orders of magnitude below the millions of 'silent witnesses' to resettlement

the only working theory I've heard so far is from @Bonesjones. Apparently the Soviets committed mafia style genocide of all the resettled Jews (plus any Soviet witnesses), in order to create the illusion of another genocide they didn't even cover in their own textbooks


all non-white groups in the US advocate for multiculturalism, this is duh. the problem with Jews is they are too good at it?
And we had a user here tell me the sites were fake due to the lizard people who live there planted them to fuck with us. You can't stop the full retards or skitzos.
 
And we had a user here tell me the sites were fake due to the lizard people who live there planted them to fuck with us. You can't stop the full retards or skitzos.
More like the sites were built as make work by the resettled Jews sent there by the Nazis back in the 30s. It's like nobody pays attention to the evidence.
 
We are talking about the "special actions" Kremer describes in his diary, in which he says the selected are naked and (in one case) pleading for their lives. He also says "Auschwitz is not called a camp of annihilation in vain" after witnessing a special action.

You have no response to these I take it? Mattogno's response is to suggest that the victims were only pleading for their lives because they had been misled by false rumors of gas chambers (a theory contradicted by Kremer's description of special actions as the worst of the worst, and representative of an "extermination camp").

You're literally reading Mattogno right now so just give us his broad, informed historical take.

These "confessions" are pretty vague and anyway, weren't those women just being executed at the black wall for some reason? Its true people were taken to concentration camps to be executed for some crimes.



@mrolonzo

yeah you are a bot, at least when it comes to holocaust stuff. incapable of even paraphrasing mattogno re kremer.

I could but HS just told us he's literally reading the very book he wants to talk about. No need for paraphrasing. We can just read the actual historical analysis when he posts the pages or quotes the text.


maybe that's one of the reasons they advocate for it, but what's the problem here?

I don't know what is the problem here Chugger? You ask me things, I answer.
 
Wow this thread moved quickly, I was only gone for a little while.

So this “Jewlantis” thing is actually unexplainable by you deniers?
Okay. We pretty much agree on that. So with the holocaust not happening in the west the final picture remains unclear. What do we have to argue about?
I did some reading on cohoh forums because I was genuinely interested on whether they had any witnesses or any documentation by those in the east that a bunch of Jews suddenly came, and I could find nothing. Seriously?

Also, is Codoh forums just the same 6 people over and over again? Lamprecht, Hannover, Dresden, and a few others. No wonder people think the holocaust happened, all the deniers spend 90% of their time circlejerking!

At least lemningwise aptly explains what happened to the Jews in the east, a bunch of them just got shot by nazis. But Mattogno and Co has us trying to believe in Jewlantis. Ludicrous!

Mrolonzo, I’ll ask again. So, just to be clear, you don’t have any evidence whatsoever on the fate of the Jews in the East, at all? No primary witnesses, no Jews saying they were deported east, no infrastructure made by Jews? They were just deported, and then they disappeared ? You don’t have to write a paragraph you can just say Yes or No. If yes, I’d love to see some evidence.
I don't know what is the problem here Chugger? You ask me things, I answer.
Jews have the highest intermarriage rate in the US do they not? Your problem seems to be that they are just pretty on the left.
 
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You're literally reading Mattogno right now so just give us his broad, informed historical take.
I gave you his take and it is an obvious cope - he says that the women are begging for their lives because they believe they will be gassed, but (Mattogno claims) the women are wrong and have been misled by propaganda.

This explanation is pure wishful thinking on Mattogno's part, and contradicts Kremer's diary, which describes the women as having undressed (consistent with the mainstream extermination story), and also describes "special actions" as "the worst of the worst," and evidence that Auschwitz is indeeed an "extermination camp." (I looked up a copy of the diary in German and the word Kremer uses to describe Auschwitz is "Vernichtungslager," i.e. extermination camp).

Having read a few more of his books now (at your prompting, believe it or not, Zo), I can report that Mattogno is certainly at a much higher intellectual level than almost any other "revisionist," but is still a conspiracy theorist at the end of the day. When he has to claim "forgery" with no evidence he will do so. When he has to resort to postmodernist spaghettification of plain language (as in the case of his absurd interpretation of the Kremer diaries) he will do so. When he has to claim that millions of Jews were resettled in a modern-day Atlantis (despite acknowledging that exactly zero evidence has been found for the existence of these settlements) he will do so.

He is working back from a predetermined conclusion, bro. And he also is outright dishonest sometimes. Like in the health care book when he conflates Jews with Auschwitz inmates in general, and conflates sick but able bodied Jews (whom the Nazis wanted to use for labor) with non-able bodied Jews, to falsely imply that the latter were receiving health care.

In Healthcare in Auschwitz, he also omits the fact that some transports of Jews were pre-curated to include only working Jews, and thus were admitted without selection upon arrival (this is something you mocked when I brought it up, but which Mattogno acknowledges himself in other contexts, see attached).

The point of this omission is to make you think that, by admitting into Auschwitz all Jews in an individual transport, the Nazis must have been admitting non-able bodied Jews, since obviously out of 1,000 randomly selected Jews some will obviously not be able bodied.

Yet of course (as Mattogno admits in another book, though does not mention in Healthcare in Auschwitz) many transports were comprised solely of working Jews

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When he has to claim that millions of Jews were resettled in a modern-day Atlantis (despite acknowledging that exactly zero evidence has been found for the existence of these settlements) he will do so.
If even Mattogno cannot give evidence of Jews in the east, then I have no reason to think mrolonzo can.

You don’t have to answer my question mrolonzo, Mattogno already did it for you.
 
And we had a user here tell me the sites were fake due to the lizard people who live there planted them to fuck with us. You can't stop the full retards or skitzos.
honestly I think it would be trivial for a country to land some objects on the moon creating a 'fake site', compared to silencing millions of witnesses inside and outside of the country for decades ... @JohnDoe thinks he's mocking Holocausters with his sci fi screenshots, but really his explanation is as good as any given by 'serious' revisionists like Mattogno

I don't know what is the problem here Chugger? You ask me things, I answer.
So you have no criticisms of the Jews, that's fine. But do you have problems with how the Nazis treated them?
 
Wow this thread moved quickly, I was only gone for a little while.

So this “Jewlantis” thing is actually unexplainable by you deniers?

I did some reading on cohoh forums because I was genuinely interested on whether they had any witnesses or any documentation by those in the east that a bunch of Jews suddenly came, and I could find nothing. Seriously?

Nothing Aves? Exactly what threads are you referring to?

Also, is Codoh forums just the same 6 people over and over again? Lamprecht, Hannover, Dresden, and a few others. No wonder people think the holocaust happened, all the deniers spend 90% of their time circlejerking!

What?

At least lemningwise aptly explains what happened to the Jews in the east, a bunch of them just got shot by nazis. But Mattogno and Co has us trying to believe in Jewlantis. Ludicrous!

Stop embarrassing yourself with this jewlantis drivel.

Mrolonzo, I’ll ask again. So, just to be clear, you don’t have any evidence whatsoever on the fate of the Jews in the East, at all? No primary witnesses, no Jews saying they were deported east, no infrastructure made by Jews? They were just deported, and then they disappeared ? You don’t have to write a paragraph you can just say Yes or No. If yes, I’d love to see some evidence.

Jews have the highest intermarriage rate in the US do they not? Your problem seems to be that they are just pretty on the left.

I refer you to the relevant threads on the site you claim to have recently visited. Helpful pointer 'where did they go?'.

This thread is instructive;


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I gave you his take and it is an obvious cope - he says that the women are begging for their lives because they believe they will be gassed, but (Mattogno claims) the women are wrong and have been misled by propaganda.

This explanation is pure wishful thinking on Mattogno's part, and contradicts Kremer's diary, which describes the women as having undressed (consistent with the mainstream extermination story), and also describes "special actions" as "the worst of the worst," and evidence that Auschwitz is indeeed an "extermination camp." (I looked up a copy of the diary in German and the word Kremer uses to describe Auschwitz is "Vernichtungslager," i.e. extermination camp).

I've just read the section you refer to. Nice try.

There are many problems with Kremer in terms of a probe into history as detailed.

Vague assertions about Mattogno's argument are a clear effort to deceive.

Here also is Faurrisons take:


Having read a few more of his books now (at your prompting, believe it or not, Zo), I can report that Mattogno is certainly at a much higher intellectual level than almost any other "revisionist," but is still a conspiracy theorist at the end of the day. When he has to claim "forgery" with no evidence he will do so. When he has to resort to postmodernist spaghettification of plain language (as in the case of his absurd interpretation of the Kremer diaries) he will do so. When he has to claim that millions of Jews were resettled in a modern-day Atlantis (despite acknowledging that exactly zero evidence has been found for the existence of these settlements) he will do so.

This is complete gishgalloping blather and rubbish.

He is working back from a predetermined conclusion, bro. And he also is outright dishonest sometimes. Like in the health care book when he conflates Jews with Auschwitz inmates in general, and conflates sick but able bodied Jews (whom the Nazis wanted to use for labor) with non-able bodied Jews, to falsely imply that the latter were receiving health care.

Pot meet kettle. And you are the conspiracy theorist by definition.

Addressed already in the thread. Repeated for spam effect as if neither I nor the others had ever posted anything.

In Healthcare in Auschwitz, he also omits the fact that some transports of Jews were pre-curated to include only working Jews, and thus were admitted without selection upon arrival (this is something you mocked when I brought it up, but which Mattogno acknowledges himself in other contexts, see attached).

Addressed already in the thread. Repeated for spam effect as if neither I nor the others had ever posted anything.

The point of this omission is to make you think that, by admitting into Auschwitz all Jews in an individual transport, the Nazis must have been admitting non-able bodied Jews, since obviously out of 1,000 randomly selected Jews some will obviously not be able bodied.

Yet of course (as Mattogno admits in another book, though does not mention in Healthcare in Auschwitz) many transports were comprised solely of working Jews

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Of course you didn't bother to post the following pages here either which elucidated for readers the real problems with the numbers around the camps and where or rather from who these numbers come from.

honestly I think it would be trivial for a country to land some objects on the moon creating a 'fake site', compared to silencing millions of witnesses inside and outside of the country for decades ... @JohnDoe thinks he's mocking Holocausters with his sci fi screenshots, but really his explanation is as good as any given by 'serious' revisionists like Mattogno


So you have no criticisms of the Jews, that's fine. But do you have problems with how the Nazis treated them?

1. It's clearly impossible to silence Jews as the record shows. So they most likely went where they are.


2. I recognise their outsize influence and their separate interests, I don't blame them for following it. If it were another group the problem would be the same.

3. Given history, I'd have to have a problem with the whole world. Moreover, a national people do have a right to exclude others in their territory. Israelis demonstrate this clear logic every day.
 
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It's clearly impossible to silence Jews as the record shows. So they most likely went where they are.
so why have none spoken up about their experiences in resettlement camps (or whatever) in Russia? They're in on the conspiracy?

I recognise their outsize influence and their separate interests, I don't blame them for following it. If it were another group the problem would be the same.
If "another group" wanted to deprive the Jews of various legal rights and mass deport them, would you be OK with this?
 
Mrolonzo,

I already saw the codoh thread you gave + one more in direct response to an Holocaust controversies post with the same question, but it was not answering my question. The threads tended to focus more on western Jews and where their bodies were than my specific point of Jews living in the east. Millions of Jews were sent eastward, but where is the primary evidence of those living in the East testifying to this, including documentation?

It doesn’t matter, apparently Mattogno himself says there exists no evidence that he could find of these Jews.

You also said this too,

It's clearly impossible to silence Jews as the record shows

So there should be major evidence of those in the East, no?

Also, your first thread by glospana was talking about Babi yar and AR, not exactly my point here.
 
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Does anyone honestly believe this is fake or are just trolling?

Like the Jewish people have been round up and exiled/killed for most of recorded history.

They were once a historical super power and now they're still arguably one of the strongest nations in developing new technologies.

Like what would be the goal? Make up a fake story and have millions all in the same lie is not possible. Someone would mess up.
 
I gave you his take and it is an obvious cope - he says that the women are begging for their lives because they believe they will be gassed, but (Mattogno claims) the women are wrong and have been misled by propaganda.

This explanation is pure wishful thinking on Mattogno's part, and contradicts Kremer's diary, which describes the women as having undressed (consistent with the mainstream extermination story), and also describes "special actions" as "the worst of the worst," and evidence that Auschwitz is indeeed an "extermination camp." (I looked up a copy of the diary in German and the word Kremer uses to describe Auschwitz is "Vernichtungslager," i.e. extermination camp).

Having read a few more of his books now (at your prompting, believe it or not, Zo), I can report that Mattogno is certainly at a much higher intellectual level than almost any other "revisionist," but is still a conspiracy theorist at the end of the day. When he has to claim "forgery" with no evidence he will do so. When he has to resort to postmodernist spaghettification of plain language (as in the case of his absurd interpretation of the Kremer diaries) he will do so. When he has to claim that millions of Jews were resettled in a modern-day Atlantis (despite acknowledging that exactly zero evidence has been found for the existence of these settlements) he will do so.

He is working back from a predetermined conclusion, bro. And he also is outright dishonest sometimes. Like in the health care book when he conflates Jews with Auschwitz inmates in general, and conflates sick but able bodied Jews (whom the Nazis wanted to use for labor) with non-able bodied Jews, to falsely imply that the latter were receiving health care.

In Healthcare in Auschwitz, he also omits the fact that some transports of Jews were pre-curated to include only working Jews, and thus were admitted without selection upon arrival (this is something you mocked when I brought it up, but which Mattogno acknowledges himself in other contexts, see attached).

The point of this omission is to make you think that, by admitting into Auschwitz all Jews in an individual transport, the Nazis must have been admitting non-able bodied Jews, since obviously out of 1,000 randomly selected Jews some will obviously not be able bodied.

Yet of course (as Mattogno admits in another book, though does not mention in Healthcare in Auschwitz) many transports were comprised solely of working Jews

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So you're German? Are you paid by the government to shill here or what is your motivation?
 
Does anyone honestly believe this is fake or are just trolling?

Like the Jewish people have been round up and exiled/killed for most of recorded history.

They were once a historical super power and now they're still arguably one of the strongest nations in developing new technologies.

Like what would be the goal? Make up a fake story and have millions all in the same lie is not possible. Someone would mess up.
There it is, the dumbest fucking take I've seen in this thread.
 
so why have none spoken up about their experiences in resettlement camps (or whatever) in Russia? They're in on the conspiracy?


If "another group" wanted to deprive the Jews of various legal rights and mass deport them, would you be OK with this?

1. Who is it you want to speak up about resettlement?

2. Isn't this just more trying to move the holocaust east to prove it in the west?

3. Of course. In about a century, arabs will clearly outnumber Jews in Palestine. So they have a clear right to give back what was done to them don't you think?

Mrolonzo,

I already saw the codoh thread you gave + one more in direct response to an Holocaust controversies post with the same question, but it was not answering my question. The threads tended to focus more on western Jews and where their bodies were than my specific point of Jews living in the east. Millions of Jews were sent eastward, but where is the primary evidence of those living in the East testifying to this, including documentation?

It doesn’t matter, apparently Mattogno himself says there exists no evidence that he could find of these Jews.

You also said this too,

It's clearly impossible to silence Jews as the record shows

So there should be major evidence of those in the East, no?

Also, your first thread by glospana was talking about Babi yar and AR, not exactly my point here.

1. If you have a specific question you can ask them. Instead you're complaining they don't talk about things the way you want.

2. You want them to discuss evidence they don't have?

3. Jews exist all over the world and make sure everyone knows. So Jews went where they are.


Does anyone honestly believe this is fake or are just trolling?

Like the Jewish people have been round up and exiled/killed for most of recorded history.

They were once a historical super power and now they're still arguably one of the strongest nations in developing new technologies.

Like what would be the goal? Make up a fake story and have millions all in the same lie is not possible. Someone would mess up.

1. You're making alot of assumptions
 
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1. You're making alot of assumptions
Look up the pools Solomon used to water his personal forest. They were definitely a super power historically during the initial push into caanan as well as when David established the royal dynasty that continued through his son Solomon before the kingdom was fractured and never regained that level of might.

Or are all history records falsified and you can't trust anything, but clearly, superior internet sleuths? I guess that is my biggest assumption.

Currently Israel is leading cyber warfare as a nation state, and it's really impressive what they have been able to accomplish as such a relatively small entity compared to the US or china or russia.

This isn't an opinion, but historical, empirically verifiable fact:

Israel was and is bad ass.

 
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