The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Bonesjones]

Prove I'm a rapist. You can't, therefore the claim means nothing.

What about when 5 people do it? Or 50? How many people does it take to accuse someone to make it valid?

Also why would I want to prove you are a rapist? I hope you aren't and hope no one would ever have to. You know since I'd rather people didn't do terrible things, kind of like the holocaust, why would I want to think it happened?

Imagine how miserable you must be to want the holocaust to be real. No wonder you are all retarded.

 

[Aves]

What about when 5 people do it? Or 50? How many people does it take to accuse someone to make it valid?

Also why would I want to prove you are a rapist? I hope you aren't and hope no one would ever have to. You know since I'd rather people didn't do terrible things, kind of like the holocaust, why would I want to think it happened?

Imagine how miserable you must be to want the holocaust to be real. No wonder you are all retarded.

According to wikipedia, only four prisoners testified that she did something regarding human skin. They didn't even say "she turned people to lampshades" I think some of them just said "she chose prisoners with tattoos to be killed, and later I saw a lampshade made of human skin." One of them said "I overheard someone else talking about it."

The accusation would be more valid if more people claimed it, but only a few people claimed it, and even then none of them did not see the action of the person getting killed and turned into lampshades. That is why Ilse Koch was found not guilty (also due to lack of other evidence).

Little evidence = very low chance Ilse Koch made lampshades. Not 0%, but very small. Small enough that it does not affect the holocaust narrative.

 

[Bonesjones]

According to wikipedia, only four prisoners testified that she did something regarding human skin. They didn't even say "she turned people to lampshades" I think some of them just said "she chose prisoners with tattoos to be killed, and later I saw a lampshade made of human skin." One of them said "I overheard someone else talking about it."

The accusation would be more valid if more people claimed it, but only a few people claimed it, and even then none of them did not see the action of the person getting killed and turned into lampshades. That is why Ilse Koch was found not guilty (also due to lack of other evidence).

Little evidence = very low chance Ilse Koch made lampshades. Not 0%, but very small. Small enough that it does not affect the holocaust narrative.

So 3 more people and we can have a kiwifarms footnote that user Aves is inconclusively identified as a babyrapist. Since that's how it works, according to you.

 

[Aves]

So 3 more people and we can have a kiwifarms footnote that user Aves is inconclusively identified as a babyrapist. Since that's how it works, according to you.

I didn't specify just four, I'm just saying no one saw Ilse Koch turning people to lampshades. They saw some parts of it (the killing, the lampshade), but the claim ultimately never went anywhere because no one actually saw the entire process of killing to turning to lampshade.

So comparing "5 people saw me raping a baby" wouldn't be a good analogy. 5 people didn't see Ilse Koch turning into lampshades. They only saw parts of it. She was found not guilty because of that + lack of physical evidence.

I'll have to check again, but as far as I know none of the witnesses in the second trial claimed they saw the entire process.

I just do not understand your point. Why do you think there is a 0% chance she didn't turn people to lampshades? There are multiple people who claim she killed people with tattoos, and later found lampshades with some tattoos. It could have happened. But there just isn't enough evidence to definitely claim it.

 

[mgc]

Unlike the evidence for the Holocaust in general, the lampshades claim does not come close to reach the standard evidentiary threshold for historical facts. It still may have happened but we do not have documentary evidence of this .

Can we move on from this now?

 

[Bonesjones]

I didn't specify just four, I'm just saying no one saw Ilse Koch turning people to lampshades. They saw some parts of it (the killing, the lampshade), but the claim ultimately never went anywhere because no one actually saw the entire process of killing to turning to lampshade.

So comparing "5 people saw me raping a baby" wouldn't be a good analogy. 5 people didn't see Ilse Koch turning into lampshades. They only saw parts of it. She was found not guilty because of that + lack of physical evidence.

I'll have to check again, but as far as I know none of the witnesses in the second trial claimed they saw the entire process.

I just do not understand your point. Why do you think there is a 0% chance she didn't turn people to lampshades? There are multiple people who claim she killed people with tattoos, and later found lampshades with some tattoos. It could have happened. But there just isn't enough evidence to definitely claim it.

Why are you all so fucking stupid?

You take the claim that someone is cutting people up and making them into lampshades seriously, then pretend like its not a ridiculous idea. Just so you don't have to admit that some jews make shit up just because it's the start of the realization they could make a lot more shit up just as easy.

Unlike the evidence for the Holocaust in general, the lampshades claim does not come close to reach the standard evidentiary threshold for historical facts. It still may have happened but we do not have documentary evidence of this .

Can we move on from this now?

Lmao no, fuck you retard. Guys there could still be Bigfoot out there! No we can't prove it but maybe if I try to spin my words the right way, I can make you think its real.

Its ironic because they both have the same level of evidence, a bunch of grainy inconclusive pictures and a lot of tall tales.

 

[mrolonzo]

ummm it says "In the Minsk-Land area, the Jewry was completely exterminated, without endangering the allocation of labor in any way"

this coming from the governor of Belarus, who then talks about eliminating the worker Jews after the army is done with them


interestingly there are no german documents about deported Jews being resettled during this period, but there are many hundreds of documents that describe mass slaughter of the Jews already in the East

1. Yes, thank you. Not interfering with allocating of labor in any way. That being Jewish labor. So they're killing partisans. Not laborers.

2. Yes so what? You're fighting a war so while you can do some things you can't just build new areas for Jews.

Sadly, more vague nonsense. Documents are not bodies, however, here is Mattogno on the Taubner case, actually taking your document seriously (and yet you hate him / think he is a dodo head etc) .

You can see he contrasts it with the Meisslien case, where the excavation specialist is jailed for three months for ordering the shooting of two Jews - because he has no such authority. Then he contrasts it entirely with regulations in the concentration camps.

So we have a clear differing levels of control and punishment. In the concentration camp, where jews are under control and working for the Reich punishment is strictly regulated; therefore, there was no holocaust there, while in the east where there exists less control punishment is more loosely regulated as part of anti partisan activity that could not apply in the west.

In neither case, were 1.5 million bodies subsequently found in the west, or in the east.

 

[mrolonzo]

No, multiple witnesses say they saw Ilse Koch either choose specific tattooed prisoners to be killed, or had some kind of lamp made of skin. It is entirely possible she did make human lampshades.

But without further evidence, we cannot say with certainty that she did make lampshades out of skin.

Like, both of us have the same end goal here. Neither of us believe that anyone can say with certainty that Ilse Koch made lampshades out of human skin. It's just a slight difference.
You seem to think that there is a 0% chance of Ilse Koch making human lampshades. I think that's dumb. There definitely is a chance she did make human lampshades.
I think it's like 1%, or 0.5%. Tiny chance that she did, but too small for me to consider as actually happening.

Ok.

Are you saying that when people say things about you that has weight in itself?


Did she have authority to do that? Was she within her rights and within regulations to order that?

I'm supposed to be the baby rapist here? I thought you were just referencing some third-party.

But yea, if you don't have good evidence that I raped babies, then the claim means nothing. I didn't do it!

But surely you would agree that since all these people are saying things you should be brought before a court and at least tried for baby rape?

Let's agree that you are for all time now, Aves, the once accused baby raper!! Sound fair?

Unlike the evidence for the Holocaust in general, the lampshades claim does not come close to reach the standard evidentiary threshold for historical facts. It still may have happened but we do not have documentary evidence of this .

Can we move on from this now?

You have neither a lampshade nor a gassed body, but you do have lots of people saying these things happened.

Lampshades is out, but you want to keep gassed bodies, despite producing neither.

You are attempting to fabricate a narrative that doesn't exist using proof that doesn't exist.

I literally said multiple times that the lampshades probably did not exist, and therefore cannot be used in judging the holocaust. What are you saying?

Just because 20 people say they saw something happen doesn't mean it happened.

Yea I know you doofus. That's why I don't believe human lampshades were made (with 99% certainty). DNA evidence shows that many lampshades were either goat skin or cellulose.

You should instead reject their claims immediately because they have no substantiation.

That's so stupid. Every witness and claim should be given some sort of consideration. How much consideration is dependent on how many people claim it and how much backing the claim has (100 people saying I murdered someone in the street is given more credence than 1 person saying I murdered someone in my basement).

In the case of Ilse Koch, the witnesses testified that she turned people into lampshades, but without further evidence she was found not guilty on that mark.

Basic thought is extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Did you read anything I wrote??? I agree! Extraordinary claims, liking turning people into lampshades, requires heavy evidence. That is why I think Ilse Koch deserved to be found not guilty on that charge. Without extra evidence, like the lampshades themselves, we cannot say with certainty that she actually turned people to lampshades.


Therefore, we cannot use the claims that Ilse Koch turned people into lampshades in our interpretation of the holocaust. There is just not enough evidence suggesting she actually did it. She could have, but we cannot prove it. Do you agree with this?

"That's so stupid. Every witness and claim should be given some sort of consideration. How much consideration is dependent on how many people claim it and how much backing the claim has (100 people saying I murdered someone in the street is given more credence than 1 person saying I murdered someone in my basement)."

Right, so 100 people are unable to tell each other stories and claim these as facts.

In the after math of the biggest ethic and racial conflagration in history.

That's what you're telling us is it?

 

[mgc]

Chugger and I have posted the Pressac book on Natzweiler (which contains photos of the victims of the Natzweiler gas chamber) multiple times here. But you are more meme than man so you have to keep repeating "no pictures of gassed bodies."

 

[mrolonzo]

My view on Israel is, if they can defend it they can keep it. There's a lot of foreign aid...that's part of their strategy though. With or without that aid, Israel wishing to exist is fine by me. I would be interested to see how long they would last without aid. Longer than people would think I bet.

Who knows, maybe that will happen one day. Every tourist in this thread will make aliyah and defend their homeland. And all Black people are safely returned to Afrika, safe from the grasp of the evil cracker.

Das rite.

Anyway, given the 73 war, where Israel needed a re supply from the USA and the aftermath stopped them from planning further expansion and even withdrawing from their new town of border town I doubt they'd last long without the west. Thus the determined effort for nukes.

You sure you don't hate the Jews? You called me a "sabbatean crypto jew" as an insult the other day. And you wrote this when I brought up the indignities of the Holocaust:

I dont think that sabbath term is very me. So no.

(I see you edited that last one to remove the Hitler meme image that was attached. Thank you.)

When you say these things it gives me a distinct impression that you're not a big fan of Jews.

ETA:

I didn't take out any Hitler meme. You shouldn't be offended. I wouldn't be offended if you posted Menachim Begin.

Moreover it's not about the memes, you're offended by our views while not even offering your own.

Why do you want to be a Nazi?

NS is just natural. Like Israeli nationalism except for white people.

Chugger and I have posted the Pressac book on Natzweiler (which contains photos of the victims of the Natzweiler gas chamber) multiple times here. But you are more meme than man so you have to keep repeating "no pictures of gassed bodies."

What does the phosgene experiments of Natzweiler, about 80 bodies over a few days, with subsequent clear messy aftermath have to do with allegations that every kind of jew, hundreds at a time, thousands in a day , day after day, were gassed with a safety regulated pesticide or fumes from an engine then disappeared?

Are you telling us, that one proves the other?

Why is that not completely imbecilic?

 

[Stan]

Das rite.

Anyway, given the 73 war, where Israel needed a re supply from the USA and the aftermath stopped them from planning further expansion and even withdrawing from their new town of Gilat I doubt they'd last long without the west. Thus the determined effort for nukes.




I dont think that sabbath term is very me. So no.




I didn't take out any Hitler meme. You shouldn't be offended. I wouldn't be offended if you posted Menachim Begin.

Moreover it's not about the memes, you're offended by our views while not even offering your own.



NS is just natural. Like Israeli nationalism except for white people.

Ok now you’re lying to my face. You did edit that message to remove that image (the text of the post still references it) and you did call me that. Why lie about something so stupid?

God help you little buddy. Sitting in your own filth is also natural, but most of us don’t relish it.

 

[mrolonzo]

Ok now you’re lying to my face. You did edit that message to remove that image and you did call me that.

God help you little buddy.

I think that may have been someone else. I seriously wouldn't just delete the Hitler image. I have no big reason to not offend you. We can both agree that you can be personally a bit of a shit can we not?

After all, you've not been nice to anyone.

If I did I apologise about the sabbath thing. Im not even sure what that means and prefer to make accusations that are real. I may have implied youre doing a crypsis though. Was that unfair?

Do you have the post number?

Anyway let's not get bogged down in insult recriminations. That's very gay.

I told you why im a nazi. What would you describe yourself? Im going for shitlib. Is that right?

 

[Stan]

Lonzo, I’m not playing games. Stop lying to me about shit you actually said to my face. It suggests you’re willing to lie about everything under the fucking sun. The body of your quote post even begins “dude I only posted Hitler because”

ETA: you called me a sabbatean crypto Jew in post #2923 to this thread on July 20, and then deleted your comment at some later date. Fucking pants on fire!

 

[mrolonzo]

Lonzo, I’m not playing games. Stop lying to me about shit you actually said to my face. It suggests you’re willing to lie about everything under the fucking sun.

Ok fair enough. Just post it then or shut up.

 

[Stan]

Ok fair enough. Just post it then or shut up.

I gave you the post number. I can’t link you back to things you yeeted though.

Just admit you called me this, or continue acting like a whiny pissbaby (your usual MO)

If I can’t trust you to tell me the truth for obvious shit like what you said to me last week, why should I even engage with tard brain comments like “Mengele was a caring doctor”?

 

[mrolonzo]

I gave you the post number. I can’t link you back to things you yeeted though.

Just admit you called me this, or continue acting like a whiny pissbaby (your usual MO)

The post doesn't exist. I think I did try to call you a sabbatean etc then withdrew that because like i said, i don't really know what that means so im not going to stand by that.

And I already said above that I apologise about the sabbath thing.

Of course I have definitely implied youre doing crypsis.

It looks like I did delete the Hitler post. So that's fair. I don't know why though, that was silly of me. To make up for it I'll be posting some of my favourites of Hitler.

So I don't see what you're problem is, especially when you're often calling me names.

Could you explain this?

Further, I did and still do ask, why haven't you asked Hitler or us about all these things you want to tell everyone? As for Dr Mengele, that case is proven. Even the head Garrison medic Dr Wirths was loved by those under his care and spoke for him at trial in later years.

So its literally the other, more based, side of the story. No need to get offended - again. Just ask yourself, what would Hitler have done? Or perhaps even a true Israeli leader,
like Netanyahu have done? Then you'll get the right answer. Every. Single. Time.

Anyway, I won't be posting much more on being nice to Stan. Its not what this thread is about.

 

[mrolonzo]

To this end, regarding me foolishly deleting the Hitler meme (in order to be nice apparently) and in line with this thread subject. This is a clip from Schindler's list, Stan what do you make of it?

 

[Stan]

The post doesn't exist. I think I did try to call you a sabbatean etc then withdrew that because like i said, i don't really know what that means so im not going to stand by that.

And I already said above that I apologise about the sabbath thing.

Of course I have definitely implied youre doing crypsis.

It looks like I did delete the Hitler post. So that's fair. I don't know why though, that was silly of me. To make up for it I'll be posting some of my favourites of Hitler.

So I don't see what you're problem is, especially when you're often calling me names.

Could you explain this?

Further, I did and still do ask, why haven't you asked Hitler or us about all these things you want to tell everyone? As for Dr Mengele, that case is proven. Even the head Garrison medic Dr Wirths was loved by those under his care and spoke for him at trial in later years.

So its literally the other, more based, side of the story. No need to get offended - again. Just ask yourself, what would Hitler have done? Or perhaps even a true Israeli leader,
like Netanyahu have done? Then you'll get the right answer. Every. Single. Time.

Anyway, I won't be posting much more on being nice to Stan. Its not what this thread is about.

The post no longer exists cause you deleted it. You're now acknowledging that, when before you said you'd never say something like that or post images like that.

I see you don't understand why I'm angry. I'm angry because you're allegedly here to try and engage in a reasoned debate, and I just caught you in a whopper. How the fuck am I supposed to debate someone with such an on-again, off-again relationship to the truth?

why haven't you asked Hitler or us about all these things you want to tell everyone?

I still don't get if this is a joke or not and this is the second time you've brought it up. Hitler died before I was born, I can't ask him anything. I don't need to ask your permission before I post just what I think of you; not slurs based on what I think your ethniticity is, but observations based on your own words and actions. You're dense. You post bullshit to the thread without a shred of evidence. You think Carlo Mattogno is a decent source. You're an idiot, and you're a liar! You just lied to me about what you said to me 10 days ago, so why should anyone trust your impressions of history that occurred 70 years ago?

What is doing "crypsis"? Is it like playing the game "Crysis"? Is it like investing in crypto? I've done those things, but I don't even know what you're accusing me of doing here. That's why the crypto sabbatean jew thing stuck in my head; I have no fucking clue what the hell it means, but it makes me sound a lot cooler than I am.

what would Hitler have done?

WTF? This is delusional. Go take your meds.

 

[Stan]

To this end, regarding me foolishly deleting the Hitler meme (in order to be nice apparently) and in line with this thread subject. This is a clip from Schindler's list, Stan what do you make of it?

Do I need to screengrab this one and put it on archvie.is? Or, two weeks from now, will you acknowledge you were posting clips from Schindler's List into the thread for the lulz instead of pretending you don't do things like that?

Do you see why I don't really believe you when you say you don't hate Jews?

 

[mrolonzo]

The post no longer exists cause you deleted it. You're now acknowledging that, when before you said you'd never say something like that or post images like that.

I see you don't understand why I'm angry. I'm angry because you're allegedly here to try and engage in a reasoned debate, and I just caught you in a whopper. How the fuck am I supposed to debate someone with such an on-again, off-again relationship to the truth?

Yes. I remember and couldn't see why I'd post something like sabbatean because I don't really know what that means.

Turns out i was right. I tried to post it, realised my error so i deleted the post because, like I said, it's not really me. This is why we get the delete option here, so we can take back foolish words we say.

I also deleted the Hitler meme and couldn't remember doing so.

On examination it turns out i did, and therefore am correcting this error.

So, while mistakes are made, memories fade etc, the intent is clear and you have no reason to not engage with me.

And come off it Stan, you're not angry at all. Since when have you ever wanted to engage us in this thread anyway?

I still don't get if this is a joke or not and this is the second time you've brought it up. Hitler died before I was born, I can't ask him anything. I don't need to ask your permission before I post just what I think of you; not slurs based on what I think your ethniticity is, but observations based on your own words and actions. You're dense. You post bullshit to the thread without a shred of evidence. You think Carlo Mattogno is a decent source. You're an idiot, and you're a liar!

You actually do need to consult our, or Hitler's opinion in order to make a reasonable and credible argument. You are not the source of truth. That's what actual argument is about. Otherwise everyone thinks you're an idiot. And in this case, with you, everyone really does think you're an idiot.

What is doing "crypsis"? Is it like playing the game "Crysis"? Is it like investing in crypto? I've done those things, but I don't even know what you're accusing me of doing here.

Deception.

WTF? This is delusional. Go take your meds.

Come on Stan. You've been owned in this thread over and over. You're a bile spewing joke of a man. Therefore most of the time we're just having a laugh with you because you're so easily triggered. Don't take it so bad.

Do I need to screengrab this one and put it on archvie.is? Or, two weeks from now, will you acknowledge you were posting clips from Schindler's List into the thread for the lulz instead of pretending you don't do things like that?

Do you see why I don't really believe you when you say you don't hate Jews?

If I do delete it and then say I didn't you have full permission to roast me over the coals old boy!!

What's your problem with it?

These are all actual events aren't they?

I don't hate Jews I hate blood libels. Be it against Jews or nazis.

But you didn't answer, what do you make of it?

Let me guess right now. You are completely enraged by these awful images. So enraged you forget that this is literally made up, there is a large camera crew behind the view. All those people are actors and extras. All the blood is red dye, sugar and water. The weapons fire blanks into thin air.

And at no time do you ponder that this was all made in order to control your mind by heightening your emotions.