The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Stan]

Yes. I remember and couldn't see why I'd post something like sabbatean because I don't really know what that means.

Turns out i was right. I tried to post it, realised my error so i deleted the post because, like I said, it's not really me. This is why we get the delete option here, so we can take back foolish words we say.

I also deleted the Hitler meme and couldn't remember doing so.

On examination it turns out i did, and therefore am correcting this error.

So, while mistakes are made, memories fade etc, the intent is clear and you have no reason to not engage with me.

And come off it Stan, you're not angry at all. Since when have you ever wanted to engage us in this thread anyway?



You actually do need to consult our, or Hitler's opinion in order to make a reasonable and credible argument. You are not the source of truth. That's what actual argument is about. Otherwise everyone thinks you're an idiot. And in this case, with you, everyone really does think you're an idiot.




Deception.



Come on Stan. You've been owned in this thread over and over. You're a bile spewing joke of a man. Therefore most of the time we're just having a laugh with you because you're so easily triggered. Don't take it so bad.



If I do delete it and then say I didn't you have full permission to roast me over the coals old boy!!

What's your problem with it?

These are all actual events aren't they?

I don't hate Jews I hate blood libels. Be it against Jews or nazis.

But you didn't answer, what do you make of it?

Let me guess right now. You are completely enraged by these awful images. So enraged you forget that this is literally made up, there is a large camera crew behind the view. All those people are actors and extras. All the blood is red dye, sugar and water. The weapons fire blanks into thin air.

And at no time do you ponder that this was all made in order to control your mind by heightening your emotions.

Maybe Id believe this was just an honest error if I didn’t suspect you know better. I don’t think it was an honest mistake though.

Memories fade?? They fade over two weeks?! Oh come on. Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it is raining. If you actually have trouble remembering things you said and did two weeks ago its time for the memory care ward.

I don’t need to consult your opinion before posting because I have facts, historical evidence, attested documents and testimony from people who were actually there. The opinion of some guy who parrots Mattogno is not worth much compared to primary and second sources (which you refuse to engage with, except to suggest they are forgeries.) I archive my stuff to the thread in plain text and you simply ignore it and peddle more citation-free chestnuts like “the Nazis treated the Jews with care and love”. What do you think of Goebbel’s comments about Jews? How do those demonstrate care and attention to their well-being, like you insist the Nazis had for the Jews?

The Hitler posting / identifying as a Nazi doesn’t upset me, it’s your halfassed attempt at lying about it that has me mad. I think hitlerposting on its own is a very good indicator you hate the Jews, and it’s pretty counterproductive if you’re trying to be taken seriously as someone who’s trying to find the truth of what happened in 1941-45.

Also, you’re not a “Nazi”, you haven’t got a party badge or anything. You’re a nazi lover, a nazi fanboy, who wishes he was a nazi. That’s a bit different.

Schindlers List is a fictional movie about a real historical event. It’s like “saving private Ryan”, there’s plenty of films that take some narrative license within the context of actual history. I’m not sure what you are even getting at by describing how upset you think I feel watching a clip from that movie (you do this a lot; describing how you think I must feel. and your imaginings of my life aren’t accurate.)

I know that the movie Schindlers List isn’t real; I also know that the events it discusses are real. Because people made movies about D-Day and Pearl Harbor after the fact doesn’t mean these things didn’t happen; there’s a comedy movie called “The Death of Stalin” (watch it it’s really funny!) but that doesn’t mean Stalins death was a hoax.

Can you please explain what you’re even trying to say, old Nazi? People can’t make movies about the Holocaust? Holocaust movies are taken as fact by everyone, including me? Cause it comes off like you can’t distinguish fiction from reality.

 

[Stan]

Come on Stan. You've been owned in this thread over and over. You're a bile spewing joke of a man. Therefore most of the time we're just having a laugh with you because you're so easily triggered. Don't take it so bad.

And I’m having a laugh at you because you live in a fantasy world of heroic Nazis who Really Took Good Care of the Jews. You said two pages ago “I’m a Nazi”. (Do I need to screengrab that as well…? Or can you avoid obvious lying?) You literally want to be part of a morally bankrupt political party who failed to create an ethnostate and 1000 year Reich. A party that illegally took power, ran their own nation into the ground, and then told the Germans it was their fault they lost the war before their leader 41%ed himself. You identify with a political movement that got its ass kicked in 45. It’s like saying you’re a Confederate, loser.

Fuckin real Nazis didn’t want to be Nazis anymore after all this went down; you come to it post hoc and you think “wow this Nazi party sounds great! I wish I could sign up.”

 

[mrolonzo]

Maybe Id believe this was just an honest error if I didn’t suspect you know better. I don’t think it was an honest mistake though.

That's fine.

Memories fade?? They fade over two weeks?! Oh come on. Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it is raining. If you actually have trouble remembering things you said and did two weeks ago its time for the memory care ward.

I post alot here.

I don’t need to consult your opinion before posting because I have facts, historical evidence, attested documents and testimony from people who were actually there. The opinion of some guy who parrots Mattogno is not worth much compared to primary and second sources (which you refuse to engage with, except to suggest they are forgeries.) I archive my stuff to the thread in plain text and you simply ignore it and peddle more citation-free chestnuts like “the Nazis treated the Jews with care and love”. What do you think of Goebbel’s comments about Jews? How do those demonstrate care and attention to their well-being, like you insist the Nazis had for the Jews?

You post mainly hackneyed shit. Which is why no one cares what you post.

If you actually ever wanted to discuss Goebbels you're free to clearly state that.

The Hitler posting / identifying as a Nazi doesn’t upset me, it’s your halfassed attempt at lying about it that has me mad. I think hitlerposting on its own is a very good indicator you hate the Jews, and it’s pretty counterproductive if you’re trying to be taken seriously as someone who’s trying to find the truth of what happened in 1941-45.

Which is sheer idiocy. Even someone who hates Jews or nazis can seek truth.

Also, you’re not a “Nazi”, you haven’t got a party badge or anything. You’re a nazi lover, a nazi fanboy, who wishes he was a nazi. That’s a bit different.

NS is a political tradition with a long history. You don't need a party badge just like you being a shitlib doesn't mean you're a Democrat party member.

Schindlers List is a fictional movie about a real historical event. It’s like “saving private Ryan”, there’s plenty of films that take some narrative license within the context of actual history. I’m not sure what you are even getting at by describing how upset you think I feel watching a clip from that movie (you do this a lot; describing how you think I must feel. and your imaginings of my life aren’t accurate.)

Narrative licence indeed. No my imaginings about you are probably accurate. You're sperging about a Hitler meme on kiwifarms.com. So therefore you're probably completely butthurt most of the time about all this.

I know that the movie Schindlers List isn’t real; I also know that the events it discusses are real. Because people made movies about D-Day and Pearl Harbor after the fact doesn’t mean these things didn’t happen; there’s a comedy movie called “The Death of Stalin” (watch it it’s really funny!) but that doesn’t mean Stalins death was a hoax.

1. Are you sure it isn't real? After all, there are surely enough wild tales told to make it real enough for you? After all, the holocaust is based on testimony for the most part.

2. Yeeeaahh I seen the death of Stalin. Are you sure all the comedic scenes didn't happen? How do you know?

3. Anyway, quick question, is it appropriate in your view to laugh at the ridiculous nature of that movie too?


4. In fact, when the holocaust is mostly stories, and you don't have bodies, you don't have scientific backing, while you do indeed have deliberate examples of allied propaganda. What do you have Stan?

Can you please explain what you’re even trying to say, old Nazi? People can’t make movies about the Holocaust? Holocaust movies are taken as fact by everyone, including me? Cause it comes off like you can’t distinguish fiction from reality.

Lol. I knew you were a zoomer faggot. Sure you can tell a holocaust movie is a depiction. You just have no idea how much;

Swindler's Mist: Spielberg's Fraud in Schindler's List | CODOH

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And I’m having a laugh at you because you live in a fantasy world of heroic Nazis who Really Took Good Care of the Jews. You said two pages ago “I’m a Nazi”. (Do I need to screengrab that as well…? Or can you avoid obvious lying?) You literally want to be part of a morally bankrupt political party who failed to create an ethnostate and 1000 year Reich. You identify with a political movement that got its ass kicked in 45. It’s like saying you’re a Confederate, loser.

You sound like a demented nerd who thinks things are funny because you made it up.

But if you mean, morally correct political party that was ganged up on yet still remains powerful in spirit to this day and who's themes run strong across the world and who's tradition has a tremendous future, then yes. We agree.

 

[Stan]

@mrolonzo you think your impression of me are accurate, but you can’t even get the basics that I PL about on the Farms right. Lazy

I’m not gonna read a CODOH list of Schindler’s List goofs and mistakes cause it’s a fictional movie made in the 90’s; and I do want to talk about the actual things that happened in the 40’s.

Sure, people who edgepost about how great Nazis are could be truth seekers who just want to know for sure. But the edge posting (and yours especially) is more suggestive that you guys have a strong preconceived bias that Nazis are great and you want to be one of them, which makes it difficult to also be a historical realist when it comes to the Holocaust.

So go back a couple pages, to the place I linked the wikiquote page of Josef Goebbels, read the quotes I placed in thread, and then please explain why the chief minister of propaganda was making these inhuman comments about Jews being like “a bacillus” when the Nazis were actually treating the Jews really really well, like you say they were. Why would the propaganda minister write, publish, and say this invective of the Jews (including accounts of Hitler’s desire to exterminate all of them) if actually the Jews were going to be humanely resettled?

That you think the Nazis were a “morally correct political party that was unfairly hanged up on” is . Can you explain the “moral correctness” of Hitler’s repeat, consistent, and obsessive hatred of the Jews? Place that in context for me please

ETA: yes it’s fine to laugh at “The Death of Stalin”. I’m pretty sure Steve Buschemi is not secretly actually Nikita Kruschev.

 

[mrolonzo]

@mrolonzo you think your impression of me are accurate, but you can’t even get the basics that I PL about on the Farms right. Lazy

Vague blather.

I’m not gonna read a CODOH list of Schindler’s List goofs and mistakes cause it’s a fictional movie made in the 90’s; and I do want to talk about the actual things that happened in the 40’s.

Of course not!

Sure, people who edgepost about how great Nazis are could be truth seekers who just want to know for sure. But the edge posting (and yours especially) is more suggestive that you guys have a strong preconceived bias that Nazis are great and you want to be one of them, which makes it difficult to also be a historical realist when it comes to the Holocaust.

No more than your basic liberalism means you're biased towards the holohoax.

So go back a couple pages, to the place I linked the wikiquote page of Josef Goebbels, read the quotes I placed in thread, and then please explain why the chief minister of propaganda was making these inhuman comments about Jews being like “a bacillus” when the Nazis were actually treating the Jews really really well, like you say they were. Why would the propaganda minister write, publish, and say this invective of the Jews (including accounts of Hitler’s desire to exterminate all of them) if actually the Jews were going to be humanely resettled?

A political bacillus. A harmful minority influencing the population politically.

That you think the Nazis were a “morally correct political party that was unfairly hanged up on” is . Can you explain the “moral correctness” of Hitler’s repeat, consistent, and obsessive hatred of the Jews? Place that in context for me please

Certainly. Humans have the right to discriminate one from another. To make distinction and division. To keep things separated. Thus the explanation for Hitler. He saw their dramatic influence on Germany in world war one and in other spheres and decided that the best solution was to remove them all back to the Pale of settlement roughly where they'd come from while also reshaping the entire old imperial hodgepodge of Europe in something more orderly.

ETA: yes it’s fine to laugh at “The Death of Stalin”. I’m pretty sure Steve Buschemi is not secretly actually Nikita Kruschev.

No i meant is it ok to laugh at Schindler's list? After all, it's puerile lurid nonsense.

 

[mr.moon1488]

To this end, regarding me foolishly deleting the Hitler meme (in order to be nice apparently) and in line with this thread subject. This is a clip from Schindler's list, Stan what do you make of it?

I know it's just a meme, but when you think about it, it itself kind of makes a point about the whole Holohoax. The common man has been conditioned to think that all this stuff happened in public and was completely undeniable, but in reality, there's clearly reasonable doubt since this thread with "expert" affirmers in it wouldn't have reached 173 pages otherwise. That in itself is proof of deliberate impropriety from the affirmer position.

 

[Stan]

Vague blather.

Ok I’ll be less vague: your guesses about my ethnicity, religion, gender, and age have all been incorrect. And you could have easily found those things out if you wanted to because I’ve posted about each of them on the farms; I even posted a sermon on the Holy Spirit here in AT. If you can’t get basic shit like that right, how on earth can you guess what I think and feel with any accuracy?

Of course not!

Can you accept that I don’t want to discuss a Hollywood movie about the Holocaust because I want to talk about the real deal? I’ll read CODOH if you have something from there you want to post that isn’t about a fictional movie made in the 1990s.

No more than your basic liberalism means you're biased towards the holohoax.

you guessed wrong again about my political affiliation. You post up in this thread with chestnuts about how you think Nazis were unfairly maligned, you identify with Nazis, and you openly question the basic humanity of the Jews. Thats not similar to how someone who voted for Gore in 1999 might be more open to watching “An Inconvenient Truth” in 2002. Nazis being good people is an article of faith to you, so it follows that in your world the Holocaust cannot have happened.

A political bacillus. A harmful minority influencing the population politically.

Are you playing dumb with me again? You’ve claimed over and over again that the Jews were treated nicely and nobody was systematically gassed or murdered. That they were all deported East. If the Nazis wanted to nicely deport all the Jews, why did Goebbels describe them as a contagion? As subhuman? As worthy of destruction?

Here’s a few more quotes from Goebbels:

Who should die, the Germans or the Jews? You know what your eternal enemy and opponent intends for you. There is only one instrument against his plans for annihalation.

If these 60 million fought the Jews as we do, they would have nothing more to fear. It would be the Jews’ turn to fear.

The Jew is contrary to our being. … he desecrated our people, spat on our ideals, paralyzed the strength of the nation, made our customs rotten, and polluted the morale.

The Jew is our greatest misfortune.

While National Socialism brought about a new version and formulation of European culture, Bolshevism is the declaration of war by Jewish-led subhumans against culture itself. It means, In the final consequence, the absolute destruction of all economic, social, state, cultural, and civilizing advances made by western civilization for the benefit of a rootless and nomadic international clique of conspirators, who have found their representation in Jewry,

How do Goebbel’s statements about the Jews being a contagion, “contrary to our being”, “our greatest misfortune”, and “the absolute destruction of all culture” support your assertion that the Germans treated Jewish camp inmates well and safely deported them East? Why would the propaganda minister agitate against Jews like this if the Nazis actually just wanted to resettle?
Oh, and here’s a diary entry from Goebbels I’d like you to review:

December 12, 1941: “with respect to the Jewish Question the Fuhrer has decided to make a clean sweep. He prophesied to the Jews that if they again brought a world war, they would live to see their annihilation in it. That wasn’t just a catch-word. The world war is here and the annihilation of the Jews must be the necessary consequence.”

If Hitler didn’t espouse the final solution what is this entry in Josef Goebbel’s diary about?

Certainly. Humans have the right to discriminate one from another. To make distinction and division. To keep things separated. Thus the explanation for Hitler. He saw their dramatic influence on Germany in world war one and in other spheres and decided that the best solution was to remove them all back to the Pale of settlement roughly where they'd come from while also reshaping the entire old imperial hodgepodge of Europe in something more orderly.

The Jews weren’t responsible for WWI. “Influence in other spheres” is vague. Spell them out; what influence did the Jews have that made the Final Solution the Best Solution?

No i meant is it ok to laugh at Schindler's list? After all, it's puerile lurid nonsense.

It’s your life, if watching Schindlers list makes you happy, go for it. But it tends to support my opinion that you delight in Jewish suffering.

ETA: the sources for these quotes are Wikiquote (attributed to primary sources) and a paper from Illinois Wesleyan University titled “we will never speak of it: evidence of Hitler’s direct responsibility for the premeditation and implementation of the Nazi final solution.” Which I already posted to this thread.
Goebbels diary is real. You can read about its provenance in link related.

 

[mgc]

There is a massive history (going back to antiquity) of scholars writing extensive proofs that the world was round. The fact that so many have invested so much time in this project does not prove the world is really flat.

History of geodesy - Wikipedia

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Holocaust denial is a (failed) attempted "revenge of the C students." An attempt by monolingual midwits and genuine idiots to make an epistemological breakthrough that has eluded actual historians of Germany. (There are a couple smart people in the denial movement—grifters like Mattogno—but the median denier is either an imbalanced midwit or a half-wit. See the CODOH forum.)

 

[mr.moon1488]

There is a massive history (going back to antiquity) of scholars writing extensive proofs that the world was round. The fact that so many have invested so much time in this project does not prove the world is really flat.

History of geodesy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Holocaust denial is a (failed) attempted "revenge of the C students." An attempt by monolingual midwits and genuine idiots to make an epistemological breakthrough that has alluded actual historians of Germany. (There are a couple smart people in the denial movement—grifters like Mattogno—but the median denier is either an imbalanced midwit or a half-wit. See the CODOH forum.)

See this is why people don't take you seriously. This is obviously in response to my post which is the one above schizo Jew's post, but instead of replying to me, you write a pompous reaction in the general direction of the criticism.
>There is a massive history (going back to antiquity) of scholars writing extensive proofs that the world was round
This is objectively false. Most people with any kind of education accepted Eratosthenes's evidence of the Earth being round, but there were disputes as to what was the actual circumference of the Earth after that, with Eratosthenes's estimation actually being the closest to the real circumference, so this is just bunk.
>Holocaust denial is a (failed) attempted "revenge of the C students."
You literally just used a historical myth to illustrate your point, you shouldn't be getting into a GPA dick-swinging contest with anybody.
>An attempt by monolingual midwits and genuine idiots to make an epistemological breakthrough
You no shit adjusted your posting style to be more verbose in response to the critique. That's pretty cringy.
>alluded actual historians of Germany
What actual historians? According to the affirmer's own rules, one isn't an actual historian unless they accept the Holohoax as fact.
>grifters like Mattogno
This is the mother of all pots calling the kettle black.

 

[Bonesjones]

The post doesn't exist. I think I did try to call you a sabbatean etc then withdrew that because like i said, i don't really know what that means so im not going to stand by that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbatai_Zevi

Which leads directly to:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Frank

Like the Holocaust, these are the sanitized cliffnote versions of dubious accuracy. Jews have a long tradition of pretending to convert to other religions and thinking bad things are actually good. As well as thinking it's entirely correct to lie to any non jews, so why would you ever take anything they say at face value?

That's why the crypto sabbatean jew thing stuck in my head; I have no fucking clue what the hell it means, but it makes me sound a lot cooler than I am.

For holding such conviction you sure are ignorant of your own past or a liar.

 

[mgc]

See this is why people don't take you seriously. This is obviously in response to my post which is the one above schizo Jew's post, but instead of replying to me, you write a pompous reaction in the general direction of the criticism.
>There is a massive history (going back to antiquity) of scholars writing extensive proofs that the world was round
This is objectively false. Most people with any kind of education accepted Eratosthenes's evidence of the Earth being round, but there were disputes as to what was the actual circumference of the Earth after that, with Eratosthenes's estimation actually being the closest to the real circumference, so this is just bunk.
>Holocaust denial is a (failed) attempted "revenge of the C students."
You literally just used a historical myth to illustrate your point, you shouldn't be getting into a GPA dick-swinging contest with anybody.
>An attempt by monolingual midwits and genuine idiots to make an epistemological breakthrough
You no shit adjusted your posting style to be more verbose in response to the critique. That's pretty cringy.
>alluded actual historians of Germany
What actual historians? According to the affirmer's own rules, one isn't an actual historian unless they accept the Holohoax as fact.
>grifters like Mattogno
This is the mother of all pots calling the kettle black.

I never said or suggested that most educated peoplein Ancient Greece believed the world is flat. Reread my comment and maybe consult your old copy of Hooked On Phonics first.

Rather, I mentioned that numerous scholars from antiquity onwards wrote extensive proofs that the world was round, despite the fact that flat earth was not (and is not) an intellectually defensible position.

Similarly, today, almost no educated people deny the Holocaust, and Holocaust denial (like flat earth) is not a respectable position. Yet some scholars have written extensively debunking denial.

 

[mr.moon1488]

I never said anything about the proportion of education people in Ancient Greece who believed the world is flat. Reread my comment and maybe consult your old copy of Hooked On Phonics first.

Rather, I mentioned that numerous scholars from antiquity onwards wrote extensive proofs that the world was round, despite the fact that flat earth was not (and is not) an intellectually defensible position.

Your post was obviously implying that there was a serious debate about the world being flat, which is simply false. I also never said anything about the proportion of "education people in Ancient Greece who believed the world is flat" (Hooked On Phonics strikes again). My comment was toward your assertion that there was ever a widespread debate about the world being flat or round, both during the timeframe of Eratosthenes, and afterward which there wasn't.

 

[mgc]

Your post was obviously implying that there was a serious debate about the world being flat, which is simply false. I also never said anything about the proportion of "education people in Ancient Greece who believed the world is flat" (Hooked On Phonics strikes again). My comment was toward your assertion that there was ever a widespread debate about the world being flat or round, both during the timeframe of Eratosthenes, and afterward which there wasn't.

no it was not, nazi half wit. My point was literally the opposite, as anyone can see by reading the line you quoted.

I was making was an analogy between scholars writing against Holocaust denial and scholars writing against flat earth.

My whole point was that, in spite of the fact that there was no “serious debate” about whether the world was flat, intellectuals wrote extensively against the flat earth “hypothesis.” the same goes with Holocaust denial.

In neither case does the existence of extensive writings by intellectuals (proving the Holocaust or proving that the earth is spherical) mean that there is a legitimate “debate” or “other side.” That was my whole point.

 

[Stan]

@mrolonzo Got anything to say about those Goebbels quotations? You’re usually quick to respond but I’m getting crickets.

 

[Aves]

Why are you all so fucking stupid?

You take the claim that someone is cutting people up and making them into lampshades seriously, then pretend like its not a ridiculous idea. Just so you don't have to admit that some jews make shit up just because it's the start of the realization they could make a lot more shit up just as easy.

Lmao no, fuck you retard. Guys there could still be Bigfoot out there! No we can't prove it but maybe if I try to spin my words the right way, I can make you think its real.

don't have to admit that some jews make shit up

Not all witnesses were Jews. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/frau-koch

I did a quick last name check of the following names (Wilheim, titz, sitte, Biermann, and Froeboess; they were the witnesses). Two names were of german-jewish origin. Two of them just got german heritage. Froeboess got nothing, but probably not jewish.

You take the claim that someone is cutting people up and making them into lampshades seriously, then pretend like its not a ridiculous idea

It isn't ridiculous. There is decent amount of evidence, far more than lampshades, that nazis may have shrunken heads. There is both physical evidence and DNA testing. Nazi's did a lot of weird testing on humans, the idea that one of them decided to make lampshades is not crazy. Ed Gein did it by himself anyways.

Even if nazis did not shrink heads, the possibility of doing crazy human experiments like human lampshades is not that insane. The nazis did a lot of weird experiments.

Lmao no, fuck you retard. Guys there could still be Bigfoot out there! No we can't prove it but maybe if I try to spin my words the right way, I can make you think its real.

When anyone decides to judge the holocaust and its actions, they should not use the lampshade example as proof as nazi's being evil due to a substantial lack of evidence. I've said this multiple times. Please read what I'm saying more carefully.

 

[Aves]

Ok.

Are you saying that when people say things about you that has weight in itself?


Did she have authority to do that? Was she within her rights and within regulations to order that?



But surely you would agree that since all these people are saying things you should be brought before a court and at least tried for baby rape?

Let's agree that you are for all time now, Aves, the once accused baby raper!! Sound fair?



You have neither a lampshade nor a gassed body, but you do have lots of people saying these things happened.

Lampshades is out, but you want to keep gassed bodies, despite producing neither.



"That's so stupid. Every witness and claim should be given some sort of consideration. How much consideration is dependent on how many people claim it and how much backing the claim has (100 people saying I murdered someone in the street is given more credence than 1 person saying I murdered someone in my basement)."

Right, so 100 people are unable to tell each other stories and claim these as facts.

In the after math of the biggest ethic and racial conflagration in history.

That's what you're telling us is it?

But surely you would agree that since all these people are saying things you should be brought before a court and at least tried for baby rape?

Let's agree that you are for all time now, Aves, the once accused baby raper!! Sound fair?

I mean, if this was real life I guess you could try me? The witnesses saw Ilse Koch choose tattooed people to be killed, and therefore you would also have to claim to see me doing something nefarious, like breaking into some house. But this is some online forum, and you haven't seen me break into a house/ do anything else bad, so your claim would go nowhere.

Right, so 100 people are unable to tell each other stories and claim these as facts.
In the after math of the biggest ethic and racial conflagration in history.
That's what you're telling us is it?

...what? The 100 people analogy was just a made up number. It wasn't referencing the holocaust. My point was that, considering how multiple people claimed to have seen Ilse Koch kill specific prisoners, and then have seen some kind of lampshades, the middle part of Ilse Koch doing this makes sense.

It would be like if someone claimed I stole a stroller, and then someone saw blood on that same stroller on a later date. Claiming then I raped the baby wouldn't be so ridiculous. But it would require further evidence such as DNA evidence, which there wasn't any for Ilse Koch.

 

[Mister Uno]

oomgoyiiimmm.mp4

Lmao this video has never gotten old. Thanks for posting it.

 

[mrolonzo]

Ok I’ll be less vague: your guesses about my ethnicity, religion, gender, and age have all been incorrect. And you could have easily found those things out if you wanted to because I’ve posted about each of them on the farms; I even posted a sermon on the Holy Spirit here in AT. If you can’t get basic shit like that right, how on earth can you guess what I think and feel with any accuracy?

That's nice. Why would I go looking you up? Anyway it's clearly bullshit.

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Can you accept that I don’t want to discuss a Hollywood movie about the Holocaust because I want to talk about the real deal? I’ll read CODOH if you have something from there you want to post that isn’t about a fictional movie made in the 1990s.

No obviously not. It's not a long article. You don't want to talk about the real deal. You've had ample opportunity to talk to me before now. So no I don't accept that.

you guessed wrong again about my political affiliation. You post up in this thread with chestnuts about how you think Nazis were unfairly maligned, you identify with Nazis, and you openly question the basic humanity of the Jews. Thats not similar to how someone who voted for Gore in 1999 might be more open to watching “An Inconvenient Truth” in 2002. Nazis being good people is an article of faith to you, so it follows that in your world the Holocaust cannot have happened.

You're basically a liberal despite your pretending christianity. This stance leans you unfairly to the holohoax. This is confirmed by your general determination to strut your filth here while also refusing to read revisionism.

Are you playing dumb with me again? You’ve claimed over and over again that the Jews were treated nicely and nobody was systematically gassed or murdered. That they were all deported East. If the Nazis wanted to nicely deport all the Jews, why did Goebbels describe them as a contagion? As subhuman? As worthy of destruction?

You have difficulty with the concept of political rhetoric and the body politic.

Here’s a few more quotes from Goebbels:

Who should die, the Germans or the Jews? You know what your eternal enemy and opponent intends for you. There is only one instrument against his plans for annihalation.

If these 60 million fought the Jews as we do, they would have nothing more to fear. It would be the Jews’ turn to fear.

The Jew is contrary to our being. … he desecrated our people, spat on our ideals, paralyzed the strength of the nation, made our customs rotten, and polluted the morale.

The Jew is our greatest misfortune.

While National Socialism brought about a new version and formulation of European culture, Bolshevism is the declaration of war by Jewish-led subhumans against culture itself. It means, In the final consequence, the absolute destruction of all economic, social, state, cultural, and civilizing advances made by western civilization for the benefit of a rootless and nomadic international clique of conspirators, who have found their representation in Jewry,

How do Goebbel’s statements about the Jews being a contagion, “contrary to our being”, “our greatest misfortune”, and “the absolute destruction of all culture” support your assertion that the Germans treated Jewish camp inmates well and safely deported them East? Why would the propaganda minister agitate against Jews like this if the Nazis actually just wanted to resettle?

Easily. How can you criticise the Jews for degenerate and dishonourable actions you then do yourself? You can't. So thus they were treated in a typical German orderly manner hampered by the war.

Oh, and here’s a diary entry from Goebbels I’d like you to review:

December 12, 1941: “with respect to the Jewish Question the Fuhrer has decided to make a clean sweep. He prophesied to the Jews that if they again brought a world war, they would live to see their annihilation in it. That wasn’t just a catch-word. The world war is here and the annihilation of the Jews must be the necessary consequence.”

If Hitler didn’t espouse the final solution what is this entry in Josef Goebbel’s diary about?

Indeed what?


Thomas Dalton is instructive here;

https://codoh.com/library/document/goebbels-on-the-jews-part-1/en/

Goebbels on the Jews, Part 2 | CODOH

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The Jews weren’t responsible for WWI. “Influence in other spheres” is vague. Spell them out; what influence did the Jews have that made the Final Solution the Best Solution?

So wait, as far as you know the Jews only contribute by;

One or two wealthy men donate to the GOP.

Or

Led the communist revolutions in Germany?

And that's it?

Are you asking me to lay it all out? The basis of 19th, 20th and 21st century anti semitism?

It’s your life, if watching Schindlers list makes you happy, go for it. But it tends to support my opinion that you delight in Jewish suffering.

When you realised how badly the filmmakers were trying to horrify you did you laugh too?

 

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@mrolonzo Got anything to say about those Goebbels quotations? You’re usually quick to respond but I’m getting crickets.

Saying jews as shorthand for Jewish influence on culture is very common. Why do you always conflate the two?

don't have to admit that some jews make shit up

Not all witnesses were Jews. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/frau-koch

I did a quick last name check of the following names (Wilheim, titz, sitte, Biermann, and Froeboess; they were the witnesses). Two names were of german-jewish origin. Two of them just got german heritage. Froeboess got nothing, but probably not jewish.

You take the claim that someone is cutting people up and making them into lampshades seriously, then pretend like its not a ridiculous idea

It isn't ridiculous. There is decent amount of evidence, far more than lampshades, that nazis may have shrunken heads. There is both physical evidence and DNA testing. Nazi's did a lot of weird testing on humans, the idea that one of them decided to make lampshades is not crazy. Ed Gein did it by himself anyways.

Lmao no, fuck you retard. Guys there could still be Bigfoot out there! No we can't prove it but maybe if I try to spin my words the right way, I can make you think its real.

When anyone decides to judge the holocaust and its actions, they should not use the lampshade example as proof as nazi's being evil due to a substantial lack of evidence. I've said this multiple times. Please read what I'm saying more carefully.

Hey look they proved the lampshades weren't real in court and here we have a link saying they were totally real. I thought you said she was innocent? Which is it? You want it both ways, you get neither, you fucking retard.

It would be like if someone claimed I stole a stroller, and then someone saw blood on that same stroller on a later date. Claiming then I raped the baby wouldn't be so ridiculous. But it would require further evidence such as DNA evidence, which there wasn't any for Ilse Koch.

Jesus I make an awful offhand joke and now you think blood on a stroller is evidence of baby rape? What the fuck is going on in your head?

 

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But surely you would agree that since all these people are saying things you should be brought before a court and at least tried for baby rape?

Let's agree that you are for all time now, Aves, the once accused baby raper!! Sound fair?

I mean, if this was real life I guess you could try me? The witnesses saw Ilse Koch choose tattooed people to be killed, and therefore you would also have to claim to see me doing something nefarious, like breaking into some house. But this is some online forum, and you haven't seen me break into a house/ do anything else bad, so your claim would go nowhere.

Right, so 100 people are unable to tell each other stories and claim these as facts.
In the after math of the biggest ethic and racial conflagration in history.
That's what you're telling us is it?

...what? The 100 people analogy was just a made up number. It wasn't referencing the holocaust. My point was that, considering how multiple people claimed to have seen Ilse Koch kill specific prisoners, and then have seen some kind of lampshades, the middle part of Ilse Koch doing this makes sense.

It would be like if someone claimed I stole a stroller, and then someone saw blood on that same stroller on a later date. Claiming then I raped the baby wouldn't be so ridiculous. But it would require further evidence such as DNA evidence, which there wasn't any for Ilse Koch.

1. Do you have a good reason for touching a stroller like Koch had for being at the camp?

2. Shrunken heads you say? Remember Starship troopers?!

Do you want to know more?