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What's the point of Holocaust denial? I know the deniers in the thread don't really care that much about death camps or gas chambers either way; you guys aren't diehard crematoria nerds or lampshade truthers in any other arena but this one. The thing you're all unwilling to say, cause it spoils the debate for you, is that you kinda hate Jews, and the state of Israel. You really don't like them, although I daresay most of you know very little about Jews. This is why you don't want the Holocaust to be true, despite ample evidence that it did happen. All the reasons I've heard so far to explain why the Holocaust did not happen reference events that happened after the Holocaust; the formation of Israel, the annoying liberal media, the (((globalist))) conspiracy. It's like you think the Jews made up the Holocaust to win arguments on Twitter. When you're a particular denier gets to you, you accuse them of being paid shills for a shadow illuminati.
Do you understand how ridiculous you sound?
There's a few kinds of Holocaust denier: the fake academic (see Mattogno et al, David Irving, etc.) who decide to break into fame by espousing Holocaust Denialism because it granted them an audience willing to buy everything they write about that subject. Mattogno is interesting, he publishes exclusively to the genre; he's used his life's talent to twist excerpts of historical documents out of context, and sometimes just straight-up lie, in order to support the fairy tale of "resettlement to the East". That's where Olonzo finds chestnuts like "Auschwitz had great healthcare". These careercows formed a little vanity publishing circle with the driest, most academic names they could think of in the hopes of fooling people on the fence that this was a genuine, peer-reviewed historical quarterly. Perhaps they believe what they write, but they are also clearly genre writing for an audience of Holocaust deniers. Their motivation to denying the Holocaust is mostly financial. This sort numbers a few dozen.
The next layer is the Dylann Roofs, who read this crap and decide that the Jews ruined everything. This demographic of Holocaust denier is the kind of guy who would march around Charlottesville with a tiki torch yelling about the Great Replacement. These guys can be hazardous because they're usually young and young men will take risks older men do not. They actually believe a nationalist, conformist government that outlaws communism and homosexuality would be a good thing, and the only reason they can't have it is because of the whiny liberal Jews crying about "muh Holocaust". Their motivation to deny the Holocaust is emotional and political; they want it not to exist so it can't have happened. It's exactly like "Stop the Steal"; they didn't like the election result so they were willing to storm the fucking congress building. These guys are weens, they're shitposters, and some of them are unbelievably jaded and indifferent. This kind numbers a few hundred to a few thousand.
The last component is the one most represented in this thread, which is the "your uncle from Peoria" types who keep a lid on it in public and then quietly play the Axis side in World of Tanks. They're not motherfuckers, they're not bad people (I don't think much of anyone is "bad people") but they just feel like Hitler and Germany is getting an unfair share of guilt and blame. Surely the Holocaust couldn't have been all that bad; because the accepted history is so unbelievably awful, maybe the Jews are just exaggerating things a bit. Surely the truth lies somewhere in the middle. To them, denial is an intellectual exercise, like a hobby. You can read the books and things from the first part and "decide for oneself" what happened in Auschwitz. This sort is exceedingly common, to the point that I end up running into them at the Cradle and don't figure it out 'til I'm two drinks in. I want to believe they're harmless.
I don't hate Jews actually. In fact I recognise their talents, and even respect their actions in the middle east as what they are - a search for national self determination. I'd even be happy for a peace accord and a return even to 67 borders rather than the 48 borders.
Their interests and influence is extensive in the west obviously. I would rather they helped us in the west preserve our lands, and think that in the end, they may well do so.