The Great Porn Debate - The Coomites vs Anti-Faparians

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For those that argue that pornography is free speech, how do you cross that with child pornography? For adherents to this defense, why does one fall under freedom of speech but not the other?
 
Porn is one of the factors contributing to the decline in birth rate, relationships, divorce and the overall maiming of romance in modern times. But it is also quelling the number of teen pregnancies / unwanted adult pregnancies by suppressing hyper sexual young adults. If porn did not exist it would be common for casual hookups to increase greatly. These would not all lead to meaningful relationships. And I believe it would increase the number of children born from wedlock.

One could also argue it is suppressing negative sexual urges like rape. I cannot speak to the obvious groups who exist who still have children out of wedlock and rape consistently. I don't really interact with those types. It could be a lack of father figures, or a cultural problem. Porn would only be tangentially related to these instances, and may have stopped them from happening altogether.

There are a great many evils in this world that are not outright banned, but we are still able to experience. Vices. Gambling, alcohol, tobacco, weed, etc. These are all susceptible to addiction which can ruin families. But they also provide a release for the average hard working person to continue their life and not be a pent up ball of stress. I do believe men need to take accountability for the amount they consume. Some social shaming could go a long way. I hear about men who are still addicted to porn well within a healthy relationship, truly sad.

Agreeably4263 said:
For those that argue that pornography is free speech, how do you cross that with child pornography? For adherents to this defense, why does one fall under freedom of speech but not the other?
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Well, free speech still has exceptions. Obscenity being the main one. This loosely defined concept can and should apply to CP to ban it. Furthermore, children are protected under harsher regulations for everything in the world. Logically one can easily understand why one is acceptable and one isn't. Children cannot give consent, adults can. Adults participating in pornography consented to be in it and are expressing themselves freely. I believe trying to rope CP into the same group as normal Porn (to try and disavow porn) actually hurts children more than it helps them. It's like splitting hairs over the age of consent.
 
Agreeably4263 said:
For those that argue that pornography is free speech, how do you cross that with child pornography? For adherents to this defense, why does one fall under freedom of speech but not the other?
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A child can't consent and their NAP is being violated whereas a legal adult has the agency to make the decision of fucking on camera for money.
 
Spud said:
A child can't consent and their NAP is being violated whereas a legal adult has the agency to make the decision of fucking on camera for money.
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How about videos of people being murdered?
 
HeyYou said:
Porn can absolutely be addictive, there are legitimately people out there who masturbate way too much. I knew a dude who would do it 2-3 times per day. However, believing the government has the ability or right to deal with this is insane. Prohibition is a joke of an amendment for a reason.
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Prohibition wasn't actually intended to prohibit alcohol. it was meant to protect the wealthy (like the mob and their political allies) and prop up the growing oil industry

My point is, if the government actually WANTED to ban porn, they could do it.

The government wants porn to be out there. There's a reason it's free. You can't get ANYTHING for free. Not food, not housing, not water, not school. Only porn is free. There's a reason

Exigent Circumcisions said:
I'll just speak from a parent's point of view regarding ease of access; I can effectively lock a phone or PC down so that pornography is inaccessible from it so that's what I'll do when it becomes needful. I don't need the government to alter the laws or the nature of the internet to accomplish that task and tough shit for anyone who can't figure it out. It's not up to society to take care of your children for you and if you can't figure it out yourself, pay somebody who can.
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Most people are not good parents and would kill their own children if the government told them to

Slappy McGherkin said:
And I'm old enough to remember that! View attachment 1046534

Not really, but I grew up in the age where one of our buddies would snag his dad's Playboy magazine and bring it to the tree fort in the woods. We'd marvel at the naked female body -- boobies! There's such an onslaught of porn available today it's ridiculous. While I don't think it should be illegal, I do think it should be more controlled in some fashion. It really can warp people and delivers a totally unrealistic expectation of what a committed, loving, sexual relationship actually is.
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Hugh Hefner was a cia asset employed to get young men addicted to porn and spur on the sexual revolution to attack women
 
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People who are into pornography can develop wicked mind to implement such acts into the real world. Many people let lust get a hold of them instead of controlling that temptation. I honestly question a lot of things considered to have erotica in it. I mentioned how I hated porn in general as they often offer nothing but giving people the incentive to jack off. With that being said, I don't hate every erotic work (I loved many visual novels), but still, people need to be vigilant when tempted with things like these. I don't mind people being avant garde or experimental.
 
Slappy McGherkin said:
And I'm old enough to remember that! View attachment 1046534

Not really, but I grew up in the age where one of our buddies would snag his dad's Playboy magazine and bring it to the tree fort in the woods. We'd marvel at the naked female body -- boobies! There's such an onslaught of porn available today it's ridiculous. While I don't think it should be illegal, I do think it should be more controlled in some fashion. It really can warp people and delivers a totally unrealistic expectation of what a committed, loving, sexual relationship actually is.
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It's probably a stupid idea of mine, but I feel like, aside from it having started the West down the slippery slope, that old fashioned pornography was legitimately less harmful. It's all the same in the end, I guess, just something less intense about an artistic photo of a naked woman (and delivered with articles, things of legitimate interest) as opposed to watching some guy rail some woman in grotesque detail.

Mafia has made me almost want to collect Playboys IRL.
 
Spud said:
A child can't consent and their NAP is being violated whereas a legal adult has the agency to make the decision of fucking on camera for money.
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Are you talking about real children and real consent or the legal definitions of both? Legal children includes also young adults, whom the majority have the ability to consent (real sense).
But also legally, you can consent to sex at 16 in most places but not to be recorded doing so, nor involving money... Which is quite arbitrary. The UK allowed porn participation at the same age of consent (16)... Until the US pressed them to raise it to 18 (they felt guilty after allowing child porn in the '70s to be sold like candy on every corner that they pressed the whole world to raise to their favorite age of 18)
 
What I said in another thread also applies here I guess: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/what-conspiracy-theories-do-you-believe-in.54870/post-19157226

TL;DR a lot of anti-porn momentum is controlled opposition/useful idiots being used to delay the end of blackmail.

Suel Forrester said:
Hugh Hefner was a cia asset employed to get young men addicted to porn and spur on the sexual revolution to attack women
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Likely involved in sexual kompromat operations too, given the very nature of the facilities he was running.
 
Tangentially related, since it's more about naturism than lewd porn specifically, but maybe something the people in here might want to delve into.
I'm deeply intrigued by Nazi Germany's nuanced stance on nudism and body philosophy, which is surprisingly nuanced. It's a fascinating subject worth exploring, especially for those interested in the history of freedom of expression. Despite their oppressive regime, Nazi Germany actually supported nudism, even state-funding it through their propaganda and tourism branches.

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Also thought that this thread in /his/ was pretty interesting:
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  1. Porn is addictive and designed to be addictive. Hell, just take a look at the Porn Addicts / Gooners thread in the proving grounds.
  2. Porn is more easily accessible toward children than ever before, it is difficult to control on the internet without violating the first amendment in the United States.
  3. Porn is obviously linked to sexual degeneracy, like homosexuality, pedophilia, and other deviant sexual desires.
  4. Porn companies know these points and are still complicit in hosting porn sites as they brings in a shitload of money every day.
It's not that hard, porn is evil. You are either for or against it.
 
Secret Boots said:
Porn is more easily accessible toward children than ever before, it is difficult to control on the internet without violating the first amendment in the United States.
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How about parents have more involvement into their children's lives. Computers and smart phones already have parental controls built into them but they never bother to use them. All the laws written for this do nothing when its a dude with a anime avatar in a discord server posting it in the first place.
 
Any guy who spends their time thinking about guys touching their dicks is a total a faggot.
 
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