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Man, the story in Remake/Rebirth is so confusing.
I only like the HD models of Elena and Scarlet.
All the others are from either upscaled ones from that Vincent PS2 game or Advent Children.
I am not a fan of the alternative story they are telling, and how they meander way too long in one-screen locations from the original, but what I really, really appreciate are the character.

Every character from the original is completely faithfully expanded, with great models, great dialogue and great voice acting.
Honestly, the cast in Rebirth is really top tier.
 
I beat Rebirth and… I think I hate it? There is a good game there and there’s a lot I do like, but overwhelmingly I’m just so glad to be done with it and never have to play it ever again. If I remember and I have time later I’ll come back and go into my likes and dislikes about the game, but right now I’m up way too late and going to sleep.
 
I beat Rebirth and… I think I hate it? There is a good game there and there’s a lot I do like, but overwhelmingly I’m just so glad to be done with it and never have to play it ever again. If I remember and I have time later I’ll come back and go into my likes and dislikes about the game, but right now I’m up way too late and going to sleep.
That’s a pretty normal response.
 
Rebirth reminds me of Jackson's Hobbit films. There's the reason everyone's interested in the product, and then there's the creative team trying to make it about literally anything else. Square's more faithful with its own canon than Jackson was with the Hobbit films, but the new parts don't add anywhere near as much value as the creative team acts like it does.
 
The concept of forgetting people even exist after they die enables a lot of horrific stuff. Its not really given the due Diligence it deserves in the game.
I played Type O until getting bored and moving to other games and never going back. It has a lot of interesting ideas and apperantly a really good ending, but the game just didn't click in neither plot or gameplay.

Stuff like forgetting dead people could have been the focal point of an entire ancestor worship religion, but instead we get some guy asking "What's a cemetery".

It's the recurring issue with modern Square Enix games, they just it shit too safe until most interest goes away, despite their most beloved titles having zero issues doing massive changes midgame.
 
Rebirth reminds me of Jackson's Hobbit films. There's the reason everyone's interested in the product, and then there's the creative team trying to make it about literally anything else. Square's more faithful with its own canon than Jackson was with the Hobbit films, but the new parts don't add anywhere near as much value as the creative team acts like it does.
Way too much padding.

Nobody needed to know the backstory of Chocobo Billy.

Some of the backstory addition I actively dislike. The country Shinra took over was the "Junon Republic", not only a Republic, which we are drilled to see as the "good guy" government but also a really eco-friendly period, with wind-power, recycling, matter replicators etc.

Making them the polar opposite, and very milquetoast good guy government that the Shinra took over is lame.
 
So, what the fuck does the new version actually do?
I believe it actually adds built in features for the console versions. Namely the ability to cheat and cheese cake the story. The gameplay doesn't properly open up until part 2 id say
 
So, what the fuck does the new version actually do?
I do not know. But I know what it could be!

For some ungodly reason the PC version uses different musical themes at important moments (like Cloud throwing Sephiroth into the Nibel Reactor uses some generic danger theme). And it has a worse translation than the Switch port (which has a pretty good one).
 
My theory for Rebirth is that its all taking place in the life stream as processing on Sephiroth.

We saw Zack getting his own reality because he couldnt accept being dead. These games are the Planet running Sephiroth through the acceptance process and letting him work his way through it. The finale will be purging Jenova from the lifestream entirely.
 
My theory for Rebirth is that its all taking place in the life stream as processing on Sephiroth.

We saw Zack getting his own reality because he couldnt accept being dead. These games are the Planet running Sephiroth through the acceptance process and letting him work his way through it. The finale will be purging Jenova from the lifestream entirely.
Nope

Because that doesn't give an excuse to Revive Areith and Zack and everyone else who is a good guy FOR REALSIES because this is leading to a Golden Ending where EVERYONE LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!
 
They preserved the intellectual property. That’s what art is. :suffering:

Zoomers are never going to go back and play the old one, and they're not going to re-play this one, either. It exists in limbo.
I played the remake and rebirth, but I never finished rebirth when I had to go all the way back to the fucking desert after the shitty boss battle with the biker dude. I was so over it. Later that year, I played the original game with the Beacause retranslation project on my phone thanks to duck station when I was 19. Might replay it with the shinra archaeology cut. I got most of the side content, even obscure shit like the refight with the turks in the deep sea. All except for the beach fight. Bummer.

The original FF7 as a video game, fucking demolishes the remakes that basically put you on rails. I don't know how to describe it, other than the God of war 2018 leash modern game design but worse because there's no variety, it's all Midgar.

If you like FFXV, you'll love FF7 remake. Some of the combat can be satisfying but most of the time it's just not as impacting as the original was to me, yes I played with emulation speedups sometimes before you ask but I still utilized the menus as it was intended.

My dad was a Final Fantasy sperg so I always had a secondhand interest in it as a kid. I think my first exposure was his Crisis Core game on my PSP, and him watching speedruns of FF6. I enjoyed the original ff7 more than the glorified sequels. Unlike my dad I will never watch Advent Children nor engage further with FF7 beyond the original game and maybe a few extra lore novels or insights that the sequel projects built from.


This reminds me a lot of how the creator of Evangelion went back and shat on his own work with the shitty rebuilds. Old dipshits chasing what already made them renowned. You don't just take another crack at it. I think the endless milking of FF7 was also a mistake but it's not surprising given the feelings it gives to the people who loved it and the odd way it just ended. The final scene with the intention of smoke in the cutscene the devs forgot about hammers home that this project was final. I don't need to see what happens to the crew after they eliminated the ultimate evil and saved the world, at least with the Midgar smoke intention in mind. Sadly most people probably assumed humanity perished afterwards. I'm not interested in what canonically happens either, given the attempt at expanding FF7 results in a Crisis Core scenario or Advent Children bullshit. I fucking hate it. Zack Fair's story was already shown in FF7, and his importance while hidden is still there.

I can sum it all up in one picture:
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One of the first frames of the rebuild film. Antithetical to his own weird choices with the original work. Almost out of character, why would she do this? It's just fan service which is whatever but this is one of the more complex characters within the original show. This is your first shot of her in this new world. It's fucking retarded and feels like a betrayal of what the original did.

Here is just one of many similar shots from the show:
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Sound familiar? Sepiroth. He used to be a very interesting villain. Now he's just everywhere and you know his plans. Now he does gay fucking monologues with Cloud because of Advent Children. Any complexity and evil there may have once been, is reduced to rubbish. Now he's almost a cartoon character rather than an unnerving tragedy. Sepiroth almost seems HAPPY to be so EVIL. I'm not sure if this was always intended but in the original he's very cold, he was a laid back man and a standard elite soldier who turned into an alien almost, or rather discovered his humanity was a lie. Like a reverse superman or something. It sounds retarded but Sepiroth was more than just a delightfully evil gay Twink. In terms of JRPG villains, he's as great and intimidating as Giygas although I think Giygas is probably the best given his visible influence on the world of Earthbound. Sepiroth rejected his humanity and has mother issues to say the least, and it gives him a creepy character progression to say the least. You don't see unredeemable humanoid monsters like this in JRPGs that can be taken as lighthearted.

He was, or still IS one of my favorite final bosses in this series just because of the visual presentation and the buildup to it. Imagine how badly they're going to fuck that up, given they've already blown their load and couldn't keep it in their pants for Remake.

Now Sepiroth is iconic Gay Twink man who smirks and giggles at Cloud. Who will never be a memory or some lame shit rather than a man who discovered a tragedy and ascended to near godhood before being slain. He literally stops talking. Almost mocking you, no final villain speech or quips like some bosses in the game provide.

Barret's best friend Dyne was done horribly too imo. That's probably the worst offender in Rebirth along with Cid.

TLDR is like Anno they played into fetishizing/flanderizing their own characters and ended up missing what made them so iconic.
 
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Sound familiar? Sepiroth. He used to be a very interesting villain. Now he's just everywhere and you know his plans. Now he does gay fucking monologues with Cloud because of Advent Children. Any complexity and evil there may have once been, is reduced to rubbish. Now he's almost a cartoon character rather than an unnerving tragedy. Sepiroth almost seems HAPPY to be so EVIL. I'm not sure if this was always intended but in the original he's very cold, he was a laid back man and a standard elite soldier who turned into an alien almost, or rather discovered his humanity was a lie. Like a reverse superman or something. It sounds retarded but Sepiroth was more than just a delightfully evil gay Twink. In terms of JRPG villains, he's as great and intimidating as Giygas although I think Giygas is probably the best given his visible influence on the world of Earthbound. Sepiroth rejected his humanity and has mother issues to say the least, and it gives him a creepy character progression to say the least. You don't see unredeemable humanoid monsters like this in JRPGs that can be taken as lighthearted.

He was, or still IS one of my favorite final bosses in this series just because of the visual presentation and the buildup to it. Imagine how badly they're going to fuck that up, given they've already blown their load and couldn't keep it in their pants for Remake.
because this thing your fighting is Sephiroth post FF7, more of his essence/will/force wanting to change things so he wins, there's two Sephiroths in the remakes, the one playing out the story like before (less interactions this time around) and the one outside of time that you've tussled with a few times.

also I wouldn't say he's "happy to be evil", he hasn't ACTUALLY done anything beyond oppose the party, and wants to avert basically all the events of Final Fantasy 7, good and bad, so he can live and explore (devour? he is after all Jenova just as much as he is himself) timelines/worlds/dimensions.

I still think they have pulled the one aspect I like about him alot, the ambiguity of whether he's being influenced/controlled by Jenova, or the other way around, or if they are essentially the same entity at this point, the games, even now, never definitively say, and I think personally at some point he's more Jenova than himself, considering how "good" of a guy he was before his madness.
 
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