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What the hell?



Roan released an FF15/versus teaser.

This is kinda a big fucking deal because there was a legal snafu going on behind the scenes when they decided to change versus into 15. Even if it's just a clothing re release.... Its certainly something.
 
Michael Wade said:
What the hell?



Roan released an FF15/versus teaser.

This is kinda a big fucking deal because there was a legal snafu going on behind the scenes when they decided to change versus into 15. Even if it's just a clothing re release.... Its certainly something.
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I’ll be honest Mr. Wade, you could tell me anything about that odd time from 13 to 15 and I’d believe you.
 
Berrakh said:
I’ll be honest Mr. Wade, you could tell me anything about that odd time from 13 to 15 and I’d believe you.
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I'll hold my fire and simply say Hajime Tabata wasn't a great director. You can fill most of the blanks from that and the various documentary information


But a lot of shit got cut. This was a cut down and sanitized proposed trilogy. So much so, Roen lost money from designs that were never showcased. That was in large part a reason why Versus was never mentioned again for a while until Dissida brought back the costume.
 
Berrakh said:
I’ll be honest Mr. Wade, you could tell me anything about that odd time from 13 to 15 and I’d believe you.
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It’s odd how 13 and 15 have some weird shared DNA. Then also 12 and 16 are also similar in being, or trying to be, more grounded and medieval/political.

Makes the 13-15 era feel even more like the extended pause that it was.
 
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Berrakh said:
It’s weird how 13 and 15 have some weird shared DNA. Then also 12 and 16 are also similar in being, or trying to be, more grounded and medieval/political.
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(Early PlayStation magazine artwork)

Type O too. There was supposed to be a semi shared universe thing going on with the L'Cie angle but it was less an overt multiverse and more of a way to explore potentially darker and unique stories. They only really shared the same kind of "gods" and super human concepts that allowed people power, at the cost of their souls. Each of them was supposed to have a different take on the same idea.


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(Eldritch being picks you to accomplish some vague evil shit, human takes advantage of power. Eventually succeeds and gets put in suspended animation or fails and turned into a monster)
All of that got cut when versus went to 15. Especially all the death worship insomnia was supposed to partake in.

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There was a lot behind the scenes screw ups that turned the interesting concept into real mess to follow. Bad localization, overall bad presentation, cut details and development woes really took it down from a surefire win to a gem in the rough.

Id argue that the only product that successfully accomplished its goal (other then select parts of the 13 trilogy) was the Ice reaper prequel manga for Type O

That was actually kino

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The concept of forgetting people even exist after they die enables a lot of horrific stuff. Its not really given the due Diligence it deserves in the game. The documentary style presentation was an interesting mistake that robbed investment.
Honestly in some ways, they were going for what Nier would actually accomplish later.




16 really wanted to be ivalice tier (tactics, vagrant story, ff12 and 14) but it also suffered from an identity crisis of trying to ape game of thrones. They took the Fantasy elements out, and had a really piss poor depiction of politics. It felt very hollow and safe at the end of the day. id argue 14 did a better job, even if they say it's not technically canon. I'm not as familiar with the Ivalice design philosophy and origins behind the creators, but they always did a really good job with the plot and presentation. Vagrant story in particular is underrated.
 
Sorry for the double post but Noctis Zang ( The Chinese singer/ cosplayer that somehow got the Roen ff15 revival) Is dropping a lot of receipts on Details pertaining to ff15/versus and if someone could help archive his posts before he deletes in February id appreciate it.






He's going over a lot of cut clothing designs and some bits of internal development detail he knows about. Most of it pertains to what information Roen was given.


Apparently Nomuras art team dropped off around the city of altissa and that's why it's so detailed and massively unused. Also confirms that the Roen contract fell apart when Nomura was no longer director. Interestingly he first costume Nomura had for the first trailers was a placeholder. The 15 outfit is the final one, although I suspect the original design had some use as a customizable option.

Apparently the whole "Stella was dead the whole time" plot idea was bullshit, but I suspect it was at one point a legit idea that was dropped.

Also Noctis was supposed to have a badass military camo suit when invading


Edit: and someone found a deleted scene in the code of 15 where Noctis is beating the shit out of a dead soldier.



Its not voice acted, but it is fully animated and had subtitles.
 
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Michael Wade said:
Sorry for the double post but Noctis Zang ( The Chinese singer/ cosplayer that somehow got the Roen ff15 revival) Is dropping a lot of receipts on Details pertaining to ff15/versus and if someone could help archive his posts before he deletes in February id appreciate it.
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I'm not sure how you need help archiving exactly, but I know nitter.poast.org is useful for looking at tweets when you don't have a Twitter account (I don't). I threw the nitter versions of the links you posted into archive.today if that helps.
 
I’m playing Rebirth for the first time and I’ve got some seriously conflicting opinions. I like a lot of the expanded characterization for the main cast, but almost all the supporting characters are dogshit. Did literally every character from Remake have to carry over to Rebirth? The amount of minigames is fuckin wild, am I playing an rpg or a Mario Party clone? I usually detest jap/anime-style female characters and their mannerisms, but I actually really like Aerith and Yuffie here. Yuffie’s face in particular is incredibly expressive. THEY REDUCED CID TO A FUCKING BUS DRIVER, YOU GODDAMN BASTARDS. Yuffie, an OPTIONAL CHARACTER, gets a WHOLE DLC, while Cid MOTHERFUCKING Highwind is a bus driver.

Everything they’ve added to the story is Star-Wars-Sequel-Trilogy-tier awful and I’m constantly feeling like my childhood is being bent over a barrel, but the combat is fun and I’m consistently finding new additions that I enjoy.

I don’t think I’ve ever felt more conflicted over a bideo jame.

edit: THEY MADE CID A BUS DRIVER >:(
 
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bango skank said:
I’m playing Rebirth for the first time and I’ve got some seriously conflicting opinions. I like a lot of the expanded characterization for the main cast, but almost all the supporting characters are dogshit. Did literally every character from Remake have to carry over to Rebirth? The amount of minigames is fuckin wild, am I playing an rpg or a Mario Party clone? I usually detest jap/anime-style female characters and their mannerisms, but I actually really like Aerith and Yuffie here. Yuffie’s face in particular is incredibly expressive. THEY REDUCED CID TO A FUCKING BUS DRIVER, YOU GODDAMN BASTARDS. Yuffie, an OPTIONAL CHARACTER, gets a WHOLE DLC, while Cid MOTHERFUCKING Highwind is a bus driver.

Everything they’ve added to the story is Star-Wars-Sequel-Trilogy-tier awful and I’m constantly feeling like my childhood is being bent over a barrel, but the combat is fun and I’m consistently finding new additions that I enjoy.

I don’t think I’ve ever felt more conflicted over a bideo jame.

edit: THEY MADE CID A BUS DRIVER >:(
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I'm kinda glad I'm still stuck on PS4 and couldn't play Rebirth. I liked Remake well enough but there was a few things bugging me (like shoehorning Sephiroth into it and the whole Wall Market redesign and gay dance game) so I only played it once and never again. Recently a youtube channel popped up in my feed, I think it's Sebbywebz, where he mostly shits on current Final Fantasy/Square and puts side by side comparisons between the original FF7 and what they did in the remakes to show how just because the graphics are better, artistically the new games are worse and full of Marvel/Star Wars quips and cringe. I found a playlist with all his critiques that mostly has the FF7 ones if anyone else wants to check them out or have background noise for a few hours. He also brings up a few of your points about how they neutered Cid and all the bullshit side quests to stretch out the games and holding back characters from being playable to make you buy the next part (Red in Remake and now forcing people to get part 3 to play Cid and Vincent).
 
Yeah the point about every Remake OC coming back for Rebirth, while not entirely true, is a point well taken.

Roche, for example, would be better served coming back in Part 3. Preferably after Cloud gets his mind back. The contrast could have been amusing there. Or he could not come back at all but I’m being diplomatic here. They’re terrified of letting us breath and let content sit with us, or deferring our gratification.
 
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Really happy that the switch port of remake is getting a shit ton of mileage. Apparently its selling out and its actually hit the normy sphere. Kinda a nice irony. Hopefully they dont delay part 3 to make it work. They apparently already have Rebirth working on it, but they need to iron out the lighting and performance kinks.


Berrakh said:
Yeah the point about every Remake OC coming back for Rebirth, while not entirely true, is a point well taken.

Roche, for example, would be better served coming back in Part 3. Preferably after Cloud gets his mind back. The contrast could have been amusing there. Or he could not come back at all but I’m being diplomatic here. They’re terrified of letting us breath and let content sit with us, or deferring our gratification.
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As someone who is a big compilation fan I was shocked with the amount of restraint they had pulling from other works. If you follow the main quest and skip most of the side quests, id say the pacing is pretty solid.

Most of rebirth is a legit remake with only bits and pieces taken from the compilation besides the time-travel element in the background.



bango skank said:
edit: THEY MADE CID A BUS DRIVER >:(
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I feel your pain, but from reading the interviews the problem was time. Vincent and Cid are late game guys, and if they spent all this work to get them in the game for the last 5 or so chapters it would have set them back a year. I respect the way they did it, Don't necessarily agree but there was enough love and care with the characters for me to overlook it.

Now you want to know what really pissed me off? CID DOESNT SAY GODDAMIT! A RANDOM SHINRA GRUNT CAN SAY THAT WORD BUT NOT CID!






I dont like Sebby. He comes across like an asshole engagement farming instead of someone legit like crowbat





Gravityqueen4life said:
I will turn thirty five this year...
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Yeah im only 4 years behind.....
 
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