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V’s story is a good example of how Stuff Happening > Sterile, Stake-free Character Development
 
You know, I just noticed and I cant speak for FFs post 9 but a lot of them start with acts of terrorism or war crimes.
In FF2, we see fleeing innocents getting struck down by combatants
In FF4, we see innocents getting murdered by the orders of the established monarch. Gets even worse when we see borderline genocide attempt of Summoners with a Ring Bomb
In FF 6, we see people defending their hometown getting killed by invading imperials with access to far more advanced tech (dont get me started Kefka poisoning an entire kingdom to death)
In FF 7, we start with Avalanche murdering a bunch of people just doing their jobs, causing millions in property damage and no doubt leading to a lot of jobs lost

And in most of them, the main character is part of it or actively leading the charge

Man, the shit they got away with and our young little minds just ignored because we didnt truly understood those concepts (and because most of these people appear as monster like sprites, soo...)
 
The handsome tard said:
You know, I just noticed and I cant speak for FFs post 9 but a lot of them start with acts of terrorism or war crimes.
In FF2, we see fleeing innocents getting struck down by combatants
In FF4, we see innocents getting murdered by the orders of the established monarch. Gets even worse when we see borderline genocide attempt of Summoners with a Ring Bomb
In FF 6, we see people defending their hometown getting killed by invading imperials with access to far more advanced tech (dont get me started Kefka poisoning an entire kingdom to death)
In FF 7, we start with Avalanche murdering a bunch of people just doing their jobs, causing millions in property damage and no doubt leading to a lot of jobs lost

And in most of them, the main character is part of it or actively leading the charge

Man, the shit they got away with and our young little minds just ignored because we didnt truly understood those concepts (and because most of these people appear as monster like sprites, soo...)
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It gets the audience attention. I mean, what's the alternative? Go slow and steady or throw the main characters (and the audience) into the meat grinder right off the bat?
 
The handsome tard said:
You know, I just noticed and I cant speak for FFs post 9 but a lot of them start with acts of terrorism or war crimes.
In FF2, we see fleeing innocents getting struck down by combatants
In FF4, we see innocents getting murdered by the orders of the established monarch. Gets even worse when we see borderline genocide attempt of Summoners with a Ring Bomb
In FF 6, we see people defending their hometown getting killed by invading imperials with access to far more advanced tech (dont get me started Kefka poisoning an entire kingdom to death)
In FF 7, we start with Avalanche murdering a bunch of people just doing their jobs, causing millions in property damage and no doubt leading to a lot of jobs lost

And in most of them, the main character is part of it or actively leading the charge

Man, the shit they got away with and our young little minds just ignored because we didnt truly understood those concepts (and because most of these people appear as monster like sprites, soo...)
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FF12 starts with the king getting murdered and FF15 starts with… the king getting murdered.

I really can’t speak on FF13 because I honestly don’t remember what happened most of that game.
 
Speaking of the beginning of FF13, was I the only one confused by it? Not just what's going on plot wise, it wasn't immediately clear if the nigger and Lightning knew each other already or he just hovered around her. And the same for the pussy faggot kid and the girl who leads him around. It just felt so unnatural and ambiguous how they all connected, kinda weird.

Sorry for forgetting their gay forgettable names btw.
 
SSj_Ness said:
Speaking of the beginning of FF13, was I the only one confused by it?
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Nope

In medias res was a terrible decision to start the game off especially given it is also sci-fi fantasy with made up terms and concepts (L'cie, Fal'Cie) that nobody sits down and explains what they mean.
SSj_Ness said:
Not just what's going on plot wise, it wasn't immediately clear if the nigger and Lightning knew each other already or he just hovered around her. And the same for the pussy faggot kid and the girl who leads him around. It just felt so unnatural and ambiguous how they all connected, kinda weird.

Sorry for forgetting their gay forgettable names btw.
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Weird thing is that those bonds end up getting dropped after they got branded as soon-to-be magic zombies. Hope and Vanille will never interact again outside that one scene near the end of the game. And neither do Lightning and Sazh, even in the sequels.
 
I didn't bother with 13. When I saw that their hook was "We made a female Cloud with hair pink," that seemed like a good indication of what the writing quality would be.
 
I frequently forget that XIII even exists.

A real disappointment that game was. I remember watching the early trailers thinking that 7th gen graphical advances would allow for more subtle details, like facial ticks and eye movements, to convey a character’s emotions - as opposed to spelling them out explicitly like older games had to.

Boy was I wrong. It’s a shame, because XIII was essentially the last game of its kind.
Go, Hope! You must live on and find the hope for which you were named.
 
SSj_Ness said:
Speaking of the beginning of FF13, was I the only one confused by it?
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Nope, and its one of the (many things) Spoony harps on in his famous review of the game, alongside the game just throwing a jargon encyclopedia at you so you can understand what all these made up words mean because it can't actually be arsed to explain its own plot and terminology. The game's storytelling is honestly bafflingly bad in all the ways it just violates basic writing and throws out character motivations. Vanille is the one the most annoying characters in the game but goes through the most fully formed character arc while everybody else just kind of exists and falls out of the plot as their individual storylines intermingle into the basic save the world storyline. Not made better by the gaping plothole that underpins the entire story.
 
The handsome tard said:
You know, I just noticed and I cant speak for FFs post 9 but a lot of them start with acts of terrorism or war crimes.

In FF 7, we start with Avalanche murdering a bunch of people just doing their jobs, causing millions in property damage and no doubt leading to a lot of jobs lost
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I always wondered why they needed EMT's and Emergency Workers to help the injured after you blew up the first Mako reactor when they live in a world with potions and healing magic.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
I always wondered why they needed EMT's and Emergency Workers to help the injured after you blew up the first Mako reactor when they live in a world with potions and healing magic.
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Honestly, that falls down into world building and what is the barrier between gameplay and story.
Any setting that has magic needs some healthy work arounds.

Or lets face it, they dont expect you to think too hard on it.
 
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