The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series

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RSU 1741 said:
That's not the fate of a character the author hated.
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You're probably right.

I guess what pisses Moore off is that people agree with Rorschach's morals and views, which is still bizarre because he's by far the most relatable cape in the whole story. Even normies like and identify with Rorschach, and think he was ultimately right.

RSU 1741 said:
Now I wonder, what's worse, The Boys adaptation or the Watchmen miniseries. I'd say the second, there's more value in The Boys memery before it became muddled and confused.
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The Boys adaptation is arguably better than the comic, while the Watchmen miniseries is one big trash heap.
 
regalterry said:
The only person with a relatable moral compass is Rorschach, who, despite claiming "And I would whisper no!", still risks his life to stop Ozymandias' plan, and when that fails, dies trying to expose his crimes.
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Gay Sex Enjoyer said:
Ozymandias was a fart-huffing dipshit that spent his free time masturbating to the idea of the "greater good" and didn't understand humanity. Rorschach did. Objective reality agreed with Rorschach.
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I think it's fascinating that we're not supposed to like the guy who, despite his mental illness and prejudices, can overcome those handicaps and opinions for the sake of doing what is morally correct. Sure, it'd be better if he just wasn't a jerk, but who's to say that wasn't also just a part of the facade? or split personality, or whatever the fuck.
 
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This might be a segway from the current topic...

But the actor playing Homelander is actually terrified of heights but still did some of the stunts.

Gota give the man props for pushing it for his art. Look at him up there, he's almost shaking.

 
regalterry said:
The Boys adaptation is arguably better than the comic.
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With a poor ending. And then two more spinoffs. Plus a spinoff that was canceled halfway through and ends on nothing. It is debatable if either series were ever good. The Ennis series at least tells a moderately coherent story from start to finish. The Boys show is just Marvel tier writing with safe curse words (never nigger or faggot) and safe nudity (penises and balls, no tits or women at all).

The comic is at least politically incorrect.
 
TheHarbinger said:
With a poor ending. And then two more spinoffs. Plus a spinoff that was canceled halfway through and ends on nothing. It is debatable if either series were ever good. The Ennis series at least tells a moderately coherent story from start to finish. The Boys show is just Marvel tier writing with safe curse words (never nigger or faggot) and safe nudity (penises and balls, no tits or women at all).

The comic is at least politically incorrect.
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There is actually some minor female nudity at herogasm, but if I’m remembering correctly it’s the only real female nudity in the show, and there’s only one nude scene of a main female character, starlight, which you get to see basically nothing of? and at best mildly skimpy scenes with the others.

Whereas you get an entire episode of Hughie with his cheeks out getting straight up molested, and supers that can use their giant prehensile penises and ropey balls as weapons, and a scene of an extremely hyper-realistic 4k render of a cock-head.
 
ProudSkibidiTolietAryan said:
I like this show
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>I like this show
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RSU 1741 said:
Rorschach is batshit insane on several levels. He's still far more human than most of the other characters: there's a single point where Rorschach meets with his landlord after fleeing the prison (an atrocious screeching subhuman that made up a story about him being a sex pest to sell to the tabloids). By his own "code", she would require horrible punishment. For a moment he stops, notices the crying children behind her and simply goes away. Because he sees something of himself in the children. And they are innocent.

I find amusing to reflect about Watchmen in a Boys thread. Moore wrote Rorschach as a negative character, but he's still a hero. He resonates with the people because there's something primal in us that screams that we should act when something is wrong, that there's a righteous anger somewhere. After all, what's Rorschach greatest sin? That he's a terrific loser? Despite being poor, uneducated and a bigot, he tries to do the right thing. Compare and contrast with all the other Watchmen that are essentially morally bankrupt or detached from humanity.

Rorschach is human, fallible and heroic. People naturally respond to that.

Compare and contrast with The Boys where everyone is simply an asshole. Imagine Rorschach written by Ennis, where the only two options we could are lone wolf spec ops too cool 4 u soldier man or pedophile loser rapist. Has Ennis ever written a character that has any finesse?
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Ironically Starlight in the Boys comic is Rorschach esque in her morality and religious beliefs. But they butchered that on the show big time....
 
Looks like they're going full forward with the God Emperor Homelander plotline in the show. I can't wait to see it.

Samuel Fuller said:
Why am I not surprised, considering what a massive retarded faggot you are?
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Depends on how you view it.

I mean, if you view it from the way the writers want you to see things, then that's par for the course. But if you view it because you want Homelander or Soldier Boy to kick the shit out of the ineffective heroes, then it becomes funny. Especially when the villains fail upwards for 5 seasons straight because the heroes are just that incompetent.

RSU 1741 said:
Rorschach is batshit insane on several levels. He's still far more human than most of the other characters: there's a single point where Rorschach meets with his landlord after fleeing the prison (an atrocious screeching subhuman that made up a story about him being a sex pest to sell to the tabloids). By his own "code", she would require horrible punishment. For a moment he stops, notices the crying children behind her and simply goes away. Because he sees something of himself in the children. And they are innocent.

I find amusing to reflect about Watchmen in a Boys thread. Moore wrote Rorschach as a negative character, but he's still a hero. He resonates with the people because there's something primal in us that screams that we should act when something is wrong, that there's a righteous anger somewhere. After all, what's Rorschach greatest sin? That he's a terrific loser? Despite being poor, uneducated and a bigot, he tries to do the right thing. Compare and contrast with all the other Watchmen that are essentially morally bankrupt or detached from humanity.

Rorschach is human, fallible and heroic. People naturally respond to that.
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Alan Moore wanted people to debate whether or not Ozymandias was right to kill innocents to bring utopia closer and stop a potential nuclear war. The fans reacted otherwise: they saw Rorschach as obviously in the right, and Ozymandias as obviously in the wrong. Alan Moore wanted the story to be seen as morally grey, instead, people saw it as black and white.

Never underestimate a liberal's ability to create a character or a faction that's supposed to be hated, only for people to like him instead. For proof, look at the Empire from Star Wars, the Imperium from Warhammer 40K, the Judges from Judge Dredd, Tywin Lannister from ASOIAF, and in the Boys TV show, Soldier Boy and Homelander.

Seriously, this is just the Homelander and Soldier Boy show now. Just like how Invincible was the Omni-Man show. They're more iconic than the actual heroes the show-writers want you to root for.
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
Looks like they're going full forward with the God Emperor Homelander plotline in the show. I can't wait to see it.
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It's going to last for less than one episode. Game of Throne with its Others invasion ending in one battle. President Homelander should have been an entire season. Maybe even the midway point of the show. Not a few minutes of screentime before Kimiko and Marie kill him or whatever his demise is.
 
TheHarbinger said:
It's going to last for less than one episode. Game of Throne with its Others invasion ending in one battle. President Homelander should have been an entire season. Maybe even the midway point of the show. Not a few minutes of screentime before Kimiko and Marie kill him or whatever his demise is.
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I know. But I at least wish to enjoy it for however long it lasts.

But for my money, Soldier Boy should've been the final boss. He finds out what happened to Clara/Liberty/Stormfront, he declares a fatwa on Ryan and Butcher, and that should've led to him killing Homelander and assuming control of Vought and the Seven. Then the final battle ensues where Ryan, Starlight, Marie, and Butcher have to work together to bring him down, but most of them die before it's over. I'd have Ryan be the last man standing. Then cut to 3 years later when he becomes the new leader of the Seven, he has Stan Edgar freed, and they work together to repair Vought's image while trying to recruit only genuinely good people to become heroes to avoid bad PR and having to clean up the mess that evil supes leave behind.
 
Magikoopa said:
The comic ending was off the table as soon as they killed off Noir V1, and so easily too. But to be fair, it would have retarded implications for the rest of the series I think, if Vought could just shit out another Homelander except this one actually follows orders even at his own expense. So much of this series is because Homelander is the big one. The comic series got away with it, and the whole twist happened in the first place because clone plot twists were in vogue. It doesnt have the same relevance now; but the show is always going for a different tone. Well, and now it's unironically going for it's own extended universe, so I dont think that mockery of capeshit trends is as important to them. I don't think The Boys EU has any longevity either. Who wants to know more? This is a shitty world to live in.
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The comic twist flunked by sucking away Homelander's gravitas as the arch-nemesis of Butcher and giving it to a background character who appeared for about 3 pages by that point. Also Vought had no plan for Noir going out of control? With the level of technology for cloning, putting a nano-machine kill switch or something in Homelander would have been way less trouble.
TheHarbinger said:
It's going to last for less than one episode. Game of Throne with its Others invasion ending in one battle. President Homelander should have been an entire season. Maybe even the midway point of the show. Not a few minutes of screentime before Kimiko and Marie kill him or whatever his demise is.
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Impressive how they the restraint to not make the white house siege into muh capitol house party end of democracy apocalypse.
 
>Come into Boys thread because I wanted to see the last and next episode get shat on
>I get actual well-thought-out posts about Watchmen

Not even mad, since this show isn't even worth the breath half the time. I did enjoy the posts about Rorschach. I really need to read Watchmen.

Thoughts on Snyder's Watchmen?
 
Star Classic said:
>Come into Boys thread because I wanted to see the last and next episode get shat on
>I get actual well-thought-out posts about Watchmen

Not even mad, since this show isn't even worth the breath half the time. I did enjoy the posts about Rorschach. I really need to read Watchmen.

Thoughts on Snyder's Watchmen?
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Snyder totally missed the point of the book. Ozymadias was completely miscast, costumes were Batman and Robin-level awful, but Jackie Earl Haley as Rorschach is so good he deserved to be in a much better movie.

Anyone who doesn't think the alleyway fight scene with Nite Owl II and Silk Spectre against the street gang was completely inappropriate in tone and style when compared to the comic probably didn't get the point of the whole thing. Snyder took something that should be disturbing and makes it into a cool, stylized setpiece and the movie only gets worse from there.


On another tangent, am I the only one who thought the Amazon version of The Tick just wasn't silly enough? Sure, Tick acted like a big blue doofus, but the rest of the show was too real-world natural compared to the comic, cartoon and Patrick Warburton series.
 
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