The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It still floors me to consider the fact that these left-wing hippies don't consider the ramifications of what they're writing.

Homelander was content to be a celebrity CEO who serves as a standard-bearer for Middle America and its values, but his black female advisor encourages him to destroy democracy and replace it with a dictatorship.

Victoria Neuman poses with people who are practicing a "Keep Christ in Christmas" ice skate play, showing that religion is still popular in this world, to the point where the soon-to-be VP has to pose photos with them, and a company that once tried to cater to gays and SJWs is catering to Christians.

There's tons of groups that peddle conspiracy theories about how you can't trust mainstream news, but behind closed doors, we see officers of the state and the president-elect continue to plot to kill the VP-elect because she's a supe. And that's after they spurned her offer of a truce.

I'm getting the feeling that in this world Kripke wrote, he accidentally made it so that the majority of the people probably WOULD support Homelander if he makes a move to seize power and turn the clock back to restore conservative Christian values in America. And his only real opposition outside of Starlight and her fans are a group of deep-state shadows who are bankrolled on the side by the Feds to commit what legally is treason.

Also, why the hell are they not trying to recruit Stan Edgar? Did Homelander give him a gift of cement shoes before dropping him into the water? I'm sure the guy who used to be Vought's CEO would be a useful ally against Homelander and Neuman, especially since both of them had a hand in his downfall.

 

[TheHarbinger]

I just don't understand how some of this could even be construed as satire by the glazers. It's incredibly low brow and fails to make any sort of point about the world, it just says "Qanon dumb", "chuds bad", "Trump bad", there's never anything clever about it.

It is satire. It is parody. It's just not well written. Every aspect of the show is poorly written and designed. The political satire falls flat and has become embarrassingly bad to nearly every viewer. The superheroes are all illogically written and their powers are wildly inconsistent to the point where any world building seems purely incidental and unimportant. The non-superhero characters behave erratically and have immense swings in their habits and actions that defy credulity. Entire storylines are abandoned at a whim to reset the characters for the next season of repeated plots.

You can complain about the "Trump bad" style writing. But they basically do the same with everyone else. "Starlight good". "Deep bad". Sure this show suffers from an extreme case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. But it also suffers from hacking writing for every other aspect. So even if the writers were apolitical the show would still be terrible.

Like at least South Park tried to be transformative about the politics it wanted to run early on. Trapped in the Closet and that Mormon episode at least took the material as the setup to write jokes rather than just yelling SCIENTOLOGY/MORMONISM BAD and calling it a day in the writing room.

You mean the episode with giant flashing captions of "SCIENTOLOGISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS!". Versus the more subtle mocking of Scientology in the episode Super Best Friends where Blainetology was an actual parody. But that episode has pedophile mohammed so it has been erased from South Park lore. The Trapped in the Closet episode was not subtle at all.

And the Mormon episode was also not really subtle. It was literally them singing "Joseph Smith dumb....dumb dumb dumb dumb". I honestly don't think that South Park's political commentary on almost any episode is superior to the trash from The Boys on Amazon. It's all the same mindless writing. One is a dumb cartoon with a literal Trump Garrison character. The other is a superhero comedy show with Trump Homelander.

 

[TheRaptorJesus]

The boys is also going to alienate anyone in the future that watches it when trump and jan 6th has faded away. Politics is fine but they have ruined so many stories to get at the orange man.

 

[Calandrino]

Critical supes theory

[CLAPS FURIOUSLY]

C'mon guise, make me the showrunner. The last episode will have this St. Elsewhere twist where The Seven are good guys irl, and the entire show so far was actually a slanderously biased anti-Homelander hit piece sourced from a tell-all book by Starlight. You see, Starlight came on to the Deep, got rejected, and lied for #metoo clout later. I can save the whole show, but you have to put me in charge posthaste.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

how the fuck do you notice someone getting their hair dyed and washing their hands more often from a goddamn tv broadcast?

Especially when Homeland wears gloves in every public appearance. Plus, Saga is making a lot of assumptions about a person with biology that's been tampered with by the random effects of V.

 

[Screamer_2]

Ironically enough, they made the strong independent black woman into Super-Trump's Heinrich Himmler. What exactly are their goals with these story choices? I know they masturbate to the idea that smart, POC women are independent and strong, but putting Sage on Homelander's side reflects badly on her. Especially given his mental instability, which she should already know is a problem. She should be trying to rat him out to Starlight given that at any time, he can snap and kill them all. Especially since he obviously isn't so fond of the Seven. Instead, Sage is encouraging Homelander to be a fascist and to destroy American democracy by inflaming political disagreements into full-on street wars so that he can swoop down and become the savior of America. So if he wasn't a fascist before, he is now, thanks to her.


It just kills the worldbuilding. Is Vought a super-conservative Christian company that wants to exclude non-Christians from Christmas by insisting on its religious angle, or are they a super-inclusive company that wants to let gays and lesbians in by marketing products specifically to them? It has to be one or the other, it can't be both.

I still haven't watched episodes 2 and 3. The same thinking that makes them have the smartest person a black woman with dreads. Makes me think that of course she's not really helping Homelander. Will probably be made the hero of the show taking him down by exposing him. Like she's revealing what Trumpish really is about. Takin a short cut to get there.

The show has always been sloppy when it comes to its political messaging and social commentary. I think the natural instincts are to just go off at everything, so it's a bit all over the place but at the end of the day that definitely want to force certain political narratives which is where it goes off the rails and gets dumb. If they weren't focused on trying to make current day points, it'd be so much better where it's just pointing out how fucked everything is. Instead of thinking they can convince people to vote for a pedophile genocider brain dead old white man. Which is ironic at the end of the day.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I still haven't watched episodes 2 and 3. The same thinking that makes them have the smartest person a black woman with dreads. Makes me think that of course she's not really helping Homelander. Will probably be made the hero of the show taking him down by exposing him. Like she's revealing what Trumpish really is about. Takin a short cut to get there.

It would've been better off if they wrote the series as a tragedy. ''The Tragedy of Homelander''. Homelander would be well-meaning, he'd be trying to do the right thing, to create a stronger America with family values that believe in a higher power, a higher purpose, one that transcends the mere corporate materialism that he's been exposed to, especially given that the Vought shareholders' blind pursuit of profit led to Homelander's tortured childhood as a lab rat. But the circumstances of his upbringing, and his inability to tolerate dissent, would eventually lead to his downfall. And the message would be that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

But given how the series is going, I suppose I should be thankful that they're still trying to make Homelander the bad guy, because that accidentally makes him sympathetic to people who aren't liberals.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Serious question here. I tried reading the comics after I gave up the show when I watched season 2. It all seemed to be LOL SEX LOL PERIOD BLOOD IN MOUTH LOL DEPRAVED SEX LMAO MORE SEX LOL SEX SEX SEX until I couldn't take it anymore because I'm not a middle schooler. If I power through that bullshit some more, will it ever stop and start getting interesting or is it just that all the way through?
edit: btw I'm fully aware of the irony of my highly mature username.

I mean, yeah the comics are pretty much 50% "look how fucked up supes are in their day to day life" paired with gross out humor, 30% ultraviolence, 10% plot, and 10% feels.

They're all weird sex perverts because everyone rich and in powerful positions invariably is a sex pervert.

A lot of it is played for laughs or gross out humor though and just comes off childish but that's Garth Ennis in a nutshell.

This shows viewership must be in the toilet because the only people I see talking about are the ones shitting on it.

Wouldn't this mean the show is in the toilet? How can the viewership be both in the toilet but also shitting on the show? Is there an additional smaller toilet inside the toilet where the show can get shit on by the viewership that's also in the toilet?

Who would construct such a contraption

 

[Melight]

I still haven't watched episodes 2 and 3. The same thinking that makes them have the smartest person a black woman with dreads. Makes me think that of course she's not really helping Homelander. Will probably be made the hero of the show taking him down by exposing him. Like she's revealing what Trumpish really is about. Takin a short cut to get there.

No thats assuming the show is gonna end soon. If we know one thing about the boys is that at the end of the season everyone ends up right back were they started. My prediction is that she's trying to utilize homelander to get into a position where she can function as a shadow government. At the end of the season the boys and homelander team up to stop her.

 

[OrionBalls]

With the number of civilian casualties depicted in the show, it's surprising that more people aren't against the supes. At least in the comics, it was kind of hidden better.

 

[Commander X]

The Boys is such a good example of how overusing and overdoing the satire and metafictional bits feels like you're just watching the writers having a masturbatory session of congratulating each other on how edgy they were and just how much of the audiences' minds were totally blown by their amazing edgy satire, rather than you the viewer being immersed in a story. The issue too is like for every in earnest superhero piece of media there are like five trying to deconstruct it and be edgy and it’s like after a certain point you're just telling another superhero story. And then it’s like comics and such in the genre itself has already attempted deconstruction within mainstream titles like Batman or Superman decades ago it’s not even so new to try and make it dark, edgy, critical or serious. Yet every other Tom, Dick or Harry who produces the latest dark, edgy, grim superhero deconstruction acts like it's fresh and revolutionary.

 

[snowdunes]

With the number of civilian casualties depicted in the show, it's surprising that more people aren't against the supes. At least in the comics, it was kind of hidden better.

That's also one of major the plot holes, the premise was a bunch of non-super powered humans agains compound V injected freaks. (((Somehow))) that whole thing is completely "forgotten". The main story of the TV show is gone, retards will cope and use the excuse that the story "evolved" or "moved on", but in reality, it just got Marvel'ised™ instead. Reddit can not see this because they are too busy worshiping kikes.

One point of the story should have been other civilians being recruited to/working with "the boys" for the same reason as Hughie got involved in the first place, that they lost someone due to the supes.

Spoiler: Another retarded thing in the show

Homelander: "Humans are just toys"
Why didn't Ryan point out that his mom was one of them? He's already saying "no" to Homelander, so it's not like Ryan is being quiet about how fucked up everything is.
Again, every single scene in this show is either kiked beyond belief or just retarded... mostly both tho.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The show-writers also don't understand why the fans love Homelander over their designated heroes, Starlight, Butcher, and Hughie, when one look at them pretty much tells it all.

The so-called good guys flip-flop on positions; Starlight thinks it's OK to give Kimiko V but not Hughie, Hughie goes from dweeb to assertive then back to being the dweeb, and Butcher can't decide if he wants to be soft or hard. The other guys are mostly filler.

Meanwhile, Homelander has to struggle with his corporate upbringing giving him an unhealthy outlook on life, he connives and gains more power as time passes, he actually does act decisively and has no problems killing people to get his way, and his political party platform is something that many people in the real world can agree with. It's like what if Magneto had the political savviness to attach himself to a human political party platform so he can gain support from normal humans. Not to mention his struggles with humanity and his attempts to connect with his son make him more sympathetic.

The big problem is the fact that the good guys are stuck having to deal with Homelander for three seasons straight and haven't made a dent in his plans is why they aren't that appealing. They've made no progress; in fact, their interference made things worse, since now Homelander took control of Vought and has his own political candidate who is set to take the White House. If anything, their attempts have made him stronger, not weaker.

People like heroes who accomplish things. The Boys having heroes who don't actually achieve their objectives, mixed in with the fact that ever since S1 ended, they've been too focused on politics, makes them less appealing. Especially in a capeshit show, where you're supposed to have powerful people accomplish great things. Goku defeated Frieza. Ozymandias ended the Cold War. Superman beat Zod. The Avengers beat Thanos. Meanwhile, the Boys can't even defeat Dollar-Store Superman with a flag for a cape, despite the fact that we just saw him bleed last season fighting Discount Wonder Woman. If they just had her and Soldier Boy gang up on Homelander while Butcher took Ryan away, Homelander would be dead, and the show would be over.

Spoiler: ANOTHER THE BOYS HISHE

They should've dealt with Homelander in the first two seasons, or made a truce with him and moved on. Other seasons should've had other villains as the top threat, be it Neuman/Stan Edgar, or Soldier Boy. Stormfront would've been a good choice, but Ryan defeated her, which removes credit from the Boys. One missed opportunity the show had is that the show should've had Stan Edgar be the big boss character for the good guys to take down. Maybe even have the Boys make a deal with Homelander to help undermine him.

If it were me, I'd make Stan even more brutal and cold-hearted than Homelander. Hell, I'd make it so that he's working on the next version of a superman, one that is as advanced over Homelander just as Homelander is advanced over Soldier Boy, and the good guys have to make a common cause with Homelander to put a stop to it. They hate Homelander's guts, they know he's evil, but if he's the lesser evil, then it would've been more compelling if the Boys took down Stan. Instead, Stan gets taken down by corporate politics and a knife to the back by Victoria Neuman. What a waste of a great character and actor.

And now, we're back at Square One. Homelander is once again the main villain. Except, instead of Stan Edgar having him on a leash to keep things stable, we have Sage encouraging him to destabilize the country. There is no progress, at least for the good guy side. So of course, people would support Homelander, since he actually got shit done. He took over Vought, he's got Neuman as his possible presidential puppet, he's got an advisor who's telling him how to destabilize the country so that he could save it, and he's got half the country singing his praises, as well as a new recruit who knows some of Starlight's dark secrets. He's all set to succeed.

 

[TheHarbinger]

One point of the story should have been other civilians being recruited to/working with "the boys" for the same reason as Hughie got involved in the first place, that they lost someone due to the supes.

Shetty in Gen V fits this. So does Godolkin himself. They are both trying to wipe out superheroes on purpose because the CIA's teams have failed. So there are other examples of this. The problem is that the show wastes so much time on side stories and romances and other nonsense rather than focus on the main plot. Because of the main plot, of genocide against superheroes actually moved forward, they might have to kill off the main characters. Meaning no more Homelander merchandise and Mortal Kombat crossovers to sell to reddit users.

Homelander: "Humans are just toys"
Why didn't Ryan point out that his mom was one of them? He's already saying "no" to Homelander, so it's not like Ryan is being quiet about how fucked up everything.

It's obvious that Ryan will find out that he is a product of rape and not love. He thinks he is the first naturally born superhero but he's just a monster from a rapist loser. Just like superheroes found out that they came from Compound V and not God. Deep and Maeve and others were disillusioned that they were lab freaks and not demigods.

And he will respond poorly to it. Either going nuts and having to be killed by Homelander or Butcher. Or trying to kill Homelander in response and getting killed. I would doubt that Ryan survives this show. Homelander will likely kill him to make the audience finally root for his death. Because the writers are too afraid of making Homelander go full scorched earth like the Plutonian or whatever.

 

[Tepes Thot]

Yeah, you’re all making nuanced points about what works and what doesn’t, and documenting the changes in quality.

BUT

Did you ever consider that the show was always making fun of you, and you just didn’t know that? Riddle me that fashies and checkmate.

 

[Screamer_2]

Watched episode 2 of the new season. Why would anyone eat their own asshole multiple times. That made no sense.

 

[Magnificent Penis]

You mean the episode with giant flashing captions of "SCIENTOLOGISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS!". Versus the more subtle mocking of Scientology in the episode Super Best Friends where Blainetology was an actual parody. But that episode has pedophile mohammed so it has been erased from South Park lore. The Trapped in the Closet episode was not subtle at all.

And the Mormon episode was also not really subtle. It was literally them singing "Joseph Smith dumb....dumb dumb dumb dumb". I honestly don't think that South Park's political commentary on almost any episode is superior to the trash from The Boys on Amazon. It's all the same mindless writing. One is a dumb cartoon with a literal Trump Garrison character. The other is a superhero comedy show with Trump Homelander.

Yeah I don't know why so many people think of South Park as some sort of insightful political commentary. The Scientology episode even ended with Stan outright saying that Scientology is a scam. I liked the show for the first few seasons btw, I don't even care about political commentary being subtle as long as the episodes are funny, that's what they are supposed to be doing for us: entertainment. I haven't watched a full episode since season 13 but I did see clips of episodes where Garrison is literally just Trump, with the orange tan and all, and they call Hillary Clinton a douche as a way of trying not to look too partisan. They are not subtle at all.

 

[snowdunes]

Gen V

I forgot about the spin off, since I didn't watch it. As I understand it, they are now dragging it out by not just extending the main show but also diluting the story across other TV shows instead. LMFAO, it's unironically becoming a Marvel knock off, or at least the next The Walking Dead.

Yeah I don't know why so many people think of South Park as some sort of insightful political commentary

It's the same people who thinks Rick and Morty is a smart "science" or a philosophy show. It's all redditors, it really is.

 

[SBG]

Heard they made the French guy gay to a lot of people's confusion, but I suspect it was purely because of Tiktok sensation known as "Frenchie" who shakes his ass and needs more boulets (also does gay porn).

Edit:

https://www.tiktok.com/@isrhaul

Proper example of Frenchie in action:

 

[bango skank]

I watched the first three eps of the new season and just skipped past every Frenchie scene and I don’t feel like I’ve missed anything important to the story. I’m sure there’s totally stuff that’s important to the narrative in there and it’s not just completely superfluous bullshit meant to check boxes though.