I think its a close race between Homelander and Soldier Boy. The writers did their best to turn homelander into a crybaby in the three seasons the show has been out but haven't had enough time to ruin soldier boy yet.
I will say though, between homelander telling that attention whore to kill herself and soldier boy calling butcher a hypocritical cuck its hard to pick my favourite.
Hard disagree on Soldier Boy. Absolute fucking garbage character. They took the most boring, obvious take on an 'edgy, realistic Captain America' and did it in the most boring, obvious way.
Jensen Ackles is very charismatic, true, but the whole shtick of him being outdated and bigoted because he's from the past? That John Wayne, macho man shit? So fucking obvious. Like, so obvious that the actual Marvel Comics was doing that shit with the actual Captain America in the Ultimate comics.
In 2002 or whatever.
The Boys comic came out in 2006. That shit was old hat when The Boys was new.
Maybe you ought to stop reading Twitter and start actually reading the fucking material you're attempting to satirise, Kripke, you fucking hack?
Hard disagree on Soldier Boy. Absolute fucking garbage character. They took the most boring, obvious take on an 'edgy, realistic Captain America' and did it in the most boring, obvious way.
Jensen Ackles is very charismatic, true, but the whole shtick of him being outdated and bigoted because he's from the past? That John Wayne, macho man shit? So fucking obvious. Like, so obvious that the actual Marvel Comics was doing that shit with the actual Captain America in the Ultimate comics.
The show keeps whining about Soldier Boy being racist via MM, but we haven't actually seen him be racist. Sure, he kept the African-American Black Noir down, but that seems to be more along the lines of professional jealousy instead of any race-based persecution. He wanted to be the only superhero who doubles as a celebrity, and he'll put down anyone in Payback who dares to step out of his shadow, hence why even the white members of Payback sans Gunpowder wanted him gone. Then there was MM's family who died from collateral damage from one of Soldier Boy's battles, which again, isn't racism, it's just him being careless. As for him using a water hose in Birmingham, again, it could just be him following orders.
Maybe they could have added a scene or two of SB using racist slurs against A-Train, MM, or Black Noir, but as it stands, MM's accusation of Soldier Boy being racist is just shallow and pathetic. The man was just a plain, old, asshole from another age. Not someone who actively persecuted black people because they were black. At least you could make a small argument for Blue Hawk being racist, because he chooses to patrol black neighborhoods and uses extreme force against them while provoking black people in a community gathering, but Soldier Boy never got close to even that kind of dubious racism, let alone the open racism of Stormfront.
The script of the show, in general, seems to be really weirdly restrained in certain ways.
An element that stood out for me was at Herogasm, M.M. talks about 'sex workers'. It literally feels like some fuck went through the script with a big red pen, saw the word 'hookers' and went, "Um, no. You can't thsay that," (Like fucking Hemo from Barracuda, which is another comic by Garth Ennis that the writers of The Boys TV show won't have read!) and scribbled it out.
Marvin Milk wouldn't say 'sex workers'. You know how I know that? Because he's a working class black man in his forties who (like most of the American public, despite what these terminally online hacks seem to believe) doesn't have a fucking Twitter account full of people ready to educate (by which they mean 'correct') him when he says The Wrong Thing. Marvin Milk wouldn't say 'sex workers'. He'd say 'hookers'. Or he'd say 'hos'. Or he could say 'prostitutes', because there's nothing wrong with that word, despite what the Pimp Lobby and the porn industry would have you believe.
Or, if you gave that line back to Butcher, like it was in the comic, you could have him say 'tarts', like he did in the comic, and it'd make Butcher something more than just a generic glowering, 'strong silent type' action movie one-liner badass like Kripke seems to have shoehorned him into being.
Even the outwardly villainous characters seem to have been affected by the Man With The Big Red Marker in this show - in season two, a literal Nazi never even says a single racial slur, presumably because that might upset people. We have to put up with her microaggressions towards A-Train and, her strongest outburst, "Fucking yellow bastards!"
It doesn't really SELL it, you know?
We're told Stormfront is a Nazi, but we aren't really shown any inarguable, cut-and-dry examples of that prejudice, which would make her so much stronger as a villain. Like, fuck, if you were worried about offending people and saying the naughty no-no words, have her say it in German. None of the fat, white, cultureless Americans that watch your show speak German. No one's going to care.
I think Soldier Boy experienced this too, we're clued into his prejudices a bit more subtly, but it's especially egregious in Stormfront's case because she is actually a Nazi, a group who held up their prejudices as virtues, whereas Soldier Boy is just the old-fashioned, macho man, American exceptionalism brand of bigot.
It just feels odd that a show that prides itself on being so wild and outlandish and transgressive in so many ways would be so fucking mealy mouthed and cowardly in this particular instance. You can show disembowelment, you can explode heads left and right, you can have a character crawl inside another character's urethra and then rip him apart from the inside, but God fucking forbid someone on Twitter be upset because someone said a bad word while doing so. It's telling, isn't it, that Butcher is still allowed to say 'cunt' every second sentence, whenever Kripke doesn't know what word a real British person would use in any given context, even though apparently, in America, 'cunt' is considered a very offensive misogynist slur.
So, yes, in closing, my point is LET HOMELANDER SAY 'NIGGER'.
Hard disagree on Soldier Boy. Absolute fucking garbage character. They took the most boring, obvious take on an 'edgy, realistic Captain America' and did it in the most boring, obvious way.
Jensen Ackles is very charismatic, true, but the whole shtick of him being outdated and bigoted because he's from the past? That John Wayne, macho man shit? So fucking obvious. Like, so obvious that the actual Marvel Comics was doing that shit with the actual Captain America in the Ultimate comics.
In 2002 or whatever.
The Boys comic came out in 2006. That shit was old hat when The Boys was new.
Maybe you ought to stop reading Twitter and start actually reading the fucking material you're attempting to satirise, Kripke, you fucking hack?
If they actually tried something new with Soldier Boy, and not just make him a boomer who hates cucks, then they could've done something with it. Instead, he's just a metaphor for toxic masculinity, where he's just an asshole because he's an old-fashioned man, and that, in the mind of someone like Kripke, is toxic. That message was getting old in the late 2010s, it's gotten positively ancient now. I mean, imagine if they did go with SB joining Homelander? You'd have a better setup for the next season, with the original Vought superhero joining forces with the man who is his heir and son. That would give Homelander a popularity boost that would legitimize his rule over Vought, not to mention give him something that can threaten any superhero who rises up against him, since SB can nullify their powers and kill them easily.
Instead, it's just "hurr durr toxic man is toxic!" which is about as compelling as an SJW typing about the evils of the capitalist world on a MacBook Pro.
The script of the show, in general, seems to be really weirdly restrained in certain ways.
An element that stood out for me was at Herogasm, M.M. talks about 'sex workers'. It literally feels like some fuck went through the script with a big red pen, saw the word 'hookers' and went, "Um, no. You can't thsay that," (Like fucking Hemo from Barracuda, which is another comic by Garth Ennis that the writers of The Boys TV show won't have read!) and scribbled it out.
It goes to show how easily-triggered these guys are. There's nothing wrong with the word "hookers", and yes, black men do tend to use that term without any reservations. So having MM use the politically-correct terminology seems oddly unrealistic.
Marvin Milk wouldn't say 'sex workers'. You know how I know that? Because he's a working class black man in his forties who (like most of the American public, despite what these terminally online hacks seem to believe) doesn't have a fucking Twitter account full of people ready to educate (by which they mean 'correct') him when he says The Wrong Thing. Marvin Milk wouldn't say 'sex workers'. He'd say 'hookers'. Or he'd say 'hos'. Or he could say 'prostitutes', because there's nothing wrong with that word, despite what the Pimp Lobby and the porn industry would have you believe.
Again, these people do act like someone like MM would have Twitter vocabulary, because they themselves have inundated themselves with such a vocabulary for a very long time. So the words "hookers", "hoes", and "prostitutes" have become forbidden words for them, because they're offensive and "toxic" to these people. And the whole point of the Soldier Boy season was to slam "toxic masculinity", so they wouldn't want to partake of such "toxic" vocabulary.
Or, if you gave that line back to Butcher, like it was in the comic, you could have him say 'tarts', like he did in the comic, and it'd make Butcher something more than just a generic glowering, 'strong silent type' action movie one-liner badass like Kripke seems to have shoehorned him into being.
Butcher's whole arc in this season is to learn how to break away from that "toxic masculine" mold. So no, he can't use the word "tarts" when describing "sex workers".
Even the outwardly villainous characters seem to have been affected by the Man With The Big Red Marker in this show - in season two, a literal Nazi never even says a single racial slur, presumably because that might upset people. We have to put up with her microaggressions towards A-Train and, her strongest outburst, "Fucking yellow bastards!"
She can't even use the K-word when describing Jews. Why the hell is a fucking Nazi holding back when using slur words for nonwhites? Also, it was funny that she remembered Himmler fondly, considering that the man tried to sell out the Third Reich to the Allied Powers near the end of WW2.
We're told Stormfront is a Nazi, but we aren't really shown any inarguable, cut-and-dry examples of that prejudice, which would make her so much stronger as a villain. Like, fuck, if you were worried about offending people and saying the naughty no-no words, have her say it in German. None of the fat, white, cultureless Americans that watch your show speak German. No one's going to care.
I'm sure that in this day and age, some autistic yahoo will run her German words through a translator then post the translations on Twitter, that's why they didn't do that.
I think Soldier Boy experienced this too, we're clued into his prejudices a bit more subtly, but it's especially egregious in Stormfront's case because she is actually a Nazi, a group who held up their prejudices as virtues, whereas Soldier Boy is just the old-fashioned, macho man, American exceptionalism brand of bigot.
He wasn't the racist that the story kept trying to paint him as. Sure, he hates effeminate men, but most 1950s men would be conditioned to do so. The most we get is him hosing down a civil rights march in his backstory, or killing MM's family, the former of which could just be him following orders, and the latter is just him being careless. Neither one proves that he's a racist.
It just feels odd that a show that prides itself on being so wild and outlandish and transgressive in so many ways would be so fucking mealy mouthed and cowardly in this particular instance. You can show disembowelment, you can explode heads left and right, you can have a character crawl inside another character's urethra and then rip him apart from the inside, but God fucking forbid someone on Twitter be upset because someone said a bad word while doing so. It's telling, isn't it, that Butcher is still allowed to say 'cunt' every second sentence, whenever Kripke doesn't know what word a real British person would use in any given context, even though apparently, in America, 'cunt' is considered a very offensive misogynist slur.
They practically use that word as a crutch to make Butcher edgy. But him mouthing off the word "cunt" while the show can't use words like "hooker" or "kike" really makes it specific as to what they're allowed to do. It's like finding a kid who thinks he's edgy for saying "shit", then when someone calls him a "pussy-ass faggot", he breaks down and cries.
That comic was made in an older time when edgy teenagers writing about female characters that get raped was seen as the norm. Now, if they do something like that, they'd get cancelled faster than you can say "sexist". So if Homelander drops N-bombs all over the show, everyone would start feeling uncomfortable, the cast included.
So, how are they going to explain Starlight's new look in the next season? Is it going to be like when Mark Hammil's face got fucked up in a car wreck, so they added a scene of his face getting fucked up in Empire? Are they going to be like "She got beat up by Homelander so bad we had to do some work on her face. And give her some fake tits while we're at it"?
Either way, I appreciate her stunning, brave and very feminist decision to look like a plastic fuckdoll. Very empowering.
Hard disagree on Soldier Boy. Absolute fucking garbage character. They took the most boring, obvious take on an 'edgy, realistic Captain America' and did it in the most boring, obvious way.
Jensen Ackles is very charismatic, true, but the whole shtick of him being outdated and bigoted because he's from the past? That John Wayne, macho man shit? So fucking obvious. Like, so obvious that the actual Marvel Comics was doing that shit with the actual Captain America in the Ultimate comics.
They digitally airbrushed her the entire third season. Go back and watch her scenes and you can see that they blur her face out. So it hides her gaunt face from the bucal fat removal procedure and other work she has had. They will likely have to turn it up quite a bit to hide her extremely changed looks. She went from being a smoking 20-year-old to a haggard 45-year-old through the magic of plastic surgery. Thanks jews!
Her character is literally supposed to be the 'girl empowerment' character who is against social media and peer pressure. Yet she ruins her looks in real life because of social media and hollywood pressure.
Kripke's characterisation of Billy Butcher has been off since day one, if we're brutally honest, it's just - like many of the flaws in the series - become increasingly evident as the show has gone on.
Part of the issue is that the character has been softened a great deal for the sensibilities of a more mainstream television audience (The Billy Butcher of the comics is fundamentally not a very nice man at all), but I think the main problem is one that Kripke admits willingly himself in the prologue he wrote to Ennis' sequel to The Boys, Dear Becky - he's painfully aware that he can't write Butcher as well as Garth can. A part of me wonders if this is a cultural thing, because Ennis is British and Kripke is American. I can say that, as a Britbonger who grew up around a lot of people that spoke with Cockney accents, there have been a few niggling lines or turns of phrase that just haven't quite sounded right to me.
Perhaps that's why we see Butcher in the show reduced the glowering, grumpy, stock character tough guy we've seen a million times before in a million different action movies. Because if Butcher only talks in one-liners, it means Kripke doesn't have to write him as much.
And the problem is, that isn't the character Garth Ennis wrote.
The Billy Butcher of the comics is chatty and gregarious, always ready to crack a joke. He's the stereotypical East End cheeky chappie and he's your best mate in all the world UNTIL HE'S NOT.
I think it says a lot about the nature of the character that most of the panels of the comic depict Butcher smiling. Even when he's doing something horrible to some poor wanker. In fact usually because he's doing something horrible to some poor wanker.
He's not supposed to be the Punisher. If anything, he's more like a very violent Captain Jack Sparrow. Y'know, if instead of drinking rum, he liked smashing people's fucking faces in.
He's sly enough to play down how incredibly intelligent he actually is so that people underestimate him and are then completely unprepared to stop him until it's too late. He is an expert at manipulating others to get what he wants, constantly keeps people in the dark as to his true motives, and outright lies to his friends' faces when it suits him to (I really think Kripke missed a trick by not including his "I always wanted a little brother," line to Hughie from the comics, when he recruits him for the team, if only because it would make the revelation that he'd already HAD a little brother when Aunt Judy tells Hughie about Lennie later on in season two a much more shocking twist - If he's lied about that, what else has he lied about?)
Oh, he's tormented because of his wife, sure, that's what set him on his crusade against Homelander in the first place, but you also kind of get the feeling that, really, that's just an excuse for Billy to do what Billy does. Because really, Billy just likes violence.
Now, arguably, you could call that 'toxic masculinity', but I don't think it's something Billy Butcher really needs to learn and grow from as a character, because
Billy Butcher isn't the hero in the story. He's a villain.
LORD IMPERATOR said:
There's nothing wrong with the word "hookers", and yes, black men do tend to use that term without any reservations. So having MM use the politically-correct terminology seems oddly unrealistic.
Mother's Milk is an interesting case, because I genuinely think that most people forget he exists, most of the time - even Amazon, apparently, as a genuinely recall seeing a meme depicting all of The Boys characters as signs of the zodiac posted to the official Amazon Instagram account which featured literally every character BUT him. I really wish I could find it now.
He also seems to be no one's favourite character, which is a shame, because I think Laz Alonso is really likeable as an actor and seems like a nice guy.
Interestingly, however, I have seen criticism from black fans of the show that Mother's Milk seems like a white liberal's idea of what a modern black man is like, and I can't say I completely disagree with them, honestly.
It didn't bother me so much in the earlier episodes if he was wearing, say, a shirt with a logo for the Black Panthers on it - M.M. is established as working with troubled inner city youth, it'd make sense for his character to be somewhat politically aware - or a Run DMC or Public Enemy T-shirt or whatever.
But in season three, when he's literally always wearing a hip hop shirt? It just suddenly gets weirdly noticeable. Especially, for me, when he's wearing a DMX shirt. I actually quite like DMX, but that dude was openly and violently homophobic. Like, it's in his lyrics. "I show no love to homo thugs, empty out mah clip an' throw mo' slugs..." It's all out there in the open. You're telling me that Mother's Milk listens to that guy and nods along, but then goes to Herogasm and really timidly calls prostitutes 'sex workers'? Hm.
And then we go to M.M.'s house in that same season, there's a poster of Huey Newton next to a framed photograph of Barack fucking Obama. It just doesn't quite scan. Why have you got a radical revolutionary next to an establishment figure? Arguably THE establishment figure, because he was literally the fucking president? Is it just because their skin is the same colour? Is that why he's always wearing the hip hop shirts, too? Because M.M. is black and black people all like hip hop?
So, how are they going to explain Starlight's new look in the next season? Is it going to be like when Mark Hammil's face got fucked up in a car wreck, so they added a scene of his face getting fucked up in Empire? Are they going to be like "She got beat up by Homelander so bad we had to do some work on her face. And give her some fake tits while we're at it"?
Either way, I appreciate her stunning, brave and very feminist decision to look like a plastic fuckdoll. Very empowering.
Hard disagree on Soldier Boy. Absolute fucking garbage character. They took the most boring, obvious take on an 'edgy, realistic Captain America' and did it in the most boring, obvious way.
Jensen Ackles is very charismatic, true, but the whole shtick of him being outdated and bigoted because he's from the past? That John Wayne, macho man shit? So fucking obvious. Like, so obvious that the actual Marvel Comics was doing that shit with the actual Captain America in the Ultimate comics.
In the comics, Soldier Boy is a legacy hero and the version active in present day is a hyper naive closet case faggot who idolizes Homelander and every Herogasm, Homelander manipulates Soldier Boy into letting him fuck him in the ass/suck Homelander's cock, as an "test" to see if he's worthy enough to get promoted to join the Seven. And Homelander does this just because he can, as far as sociopathically taking advantage of Soldier Boy's naive nature.
And when Soldier Boy dies, it's purely so Ennis can use his mouthpiece Butcher to shit on the concept of Captain America, with Ennis claiming that Captain America is a "stolen valor fraud" who cosplays as a soldier but is just a random super hero wrapped up in spandex calling himself a soldier without actually being one.
While the TV show utterly fucked up the landing with the character in the last couple of episodes, TV Soldier Boy is far better than comic Soldier Boy.
The script of the show, in general, seems to be really weirdly restrained in certain ways.
An element that stood out for me was at Herogasm, M.M. talks about 'sex workers'. It literally feels like some fuck went through the script with a big red pen, saw the word 'hookers' and went, "Um, no. You can't thsay that," (Like fucking Hemo from Barracuda, which is another comic by Garth Ennis that the writers of The Boys TV show won't have read!) and scribbled it out.
Marvin Milk wouldn't say 'sex workers'. You know how I know that? Because he's a working class black man in his forties who (like most of the American public, despite what these terminally online hacks seem to believe) doesn't have a fucking Twitter account full of people ready to educate (by which they mean 'correct') him when he says The Wrong Thing. Marvin Milk wouldn't say 'sex workers'. He'd say 'hookers'. Or he'd say 'hos'. Or he could say 'prostitutes', because there's nothing wrong with that word, despite what the Pimp Lobby and the porn industry would have you believe.
TV Show Milk would DEFINITELY be a soy boy cuck who would screech "They are sex workers! Not hookers! Hookers is sexist and demeaning" at someone. He's an utter cuck and the type who's every other word is SJW crap and who's the type of upper-lower class who acts like Hyacinth Bucket; especially since he has to deal with his wife leaving him for a white middle class conservative type who represents everything Rogan and his gimp Kripke think right wing america is with regards to the ultimate fear that some right wing chad with a good job and smooth words is going to steal their women and kids from the Rogans and Kripkes of the world, when their wives get tired of their soy boy husbands screeching the words "that is toxic masculinity" at anything they don't like.
TV Show Milk would DEFINITELY be a soy boy cuck who would screech "They are sex workers! Not hookers! Hookers is sexist and demeaning" at someone. He's an utter cuck and the type who's every other word is SJW crap and who's the type of upper-lower class who acts like Hyacinth Bucket; especially since he has to deal with his wife leaving him for a white middle class conservative type who represents everything Rogan and his gimp Kripke think right wing america is with regards to the ultimate fear that some right wing chad with a good job and smooth words is going to steal their women and kids from the Rogans and Kripkes of the world, when their wives get tired of their soy boy husbands screeching the words "that is toxic masculinity" at anything they don't like.
In the comics, Soldier Boy is a legacy hero and the version active in present day is a hyper naive closet case faggot who idolizes Homelander and every Herogasm, Homelander manipulates Soldier Boy into letting him fuck him in the ass/suck Homelander's cock, as an "test" to see if he's worthy enough to get promoted to join the Seven. And Homelander does this just because he can, as far as sociopathically taking advantage of Soldier Boy's naive nature.
And when Soldier Boy dies, it's purely so Ennis can use his mouthpiece Butcher to shit on the concept of Captain America, with Ennis claiming that Captain America is a "stolen valor fraud" who cosplays as a soldier but is just a random super hero wrapped up in spandex calling himself a soldier without actually being one.
While the TV show utterly fucked up the landing with the character in the last couple of episodes, TV Soldier Boy is far better than comic Soldier Boy.
I did read the comic, actually. And I STILL completely disagree. Mainly because I've read the comic. Like, literally read back what you wrote and tell me that the TV show version isn't so fucking boring by comparison.
One of those characters has a story that's weird and toxic and pathetic, which plays into the themes of the greater story and the world, and which makes the main villain of the piece even more despicable by his actions. The other one has... What? He was a bit of a bully? ...OK, I guess? And?
I genuinely struggle to understand why anybody would find the version depicted in the TV show interesting, and apparently other people do too, since no one, not even you, can give me an explanation of why they actually like him as a character yet.
There seems to be this peculiar notion now that if a character is a villain or does morally dubious things, you're somehow a bad person for enjoying that character. You see it in places like fanfiction and such. It's a very juvenile way of consuming media, I think. Hooray for the heroes, boo for the baddies!
Homelander is, unironically, the best character in the TV show. Largely, I think, due to an incredible performance by Antony Starr. I remember seeing him for the first time in season one and just having this big dopey grin on my face throughout his first scene because he. Was. PERFECT.
Its sad that we are gone from the days where Darth Vader the villian is the most popular character from Star Wars because he's a cool villain and was merchandise heavily because of it. Now and days creators don't want you to like their villains because their evil and that means your a horrible person if you like them.
I think its a close race between Homelander and Soldier Boy. The writers did their best to turn homelander into a crybaby in the three seasons the show has been out but haven't had enough time to ruin soldier boy yet.
I will say though, between homelander telling that attention whore to kill herself and soldier boy calling butcher a hypocritical cuck its hard to pick my favourite.
Honestly I don't watch the show. But hearing that Homelander told a attention whore to kill herself makes me like him even more and I may watch the show just for Homelander.
They digitally airbrushed her the entire third season. Go back and watch her scenes and you can see that they blur her face out. So it hides her gaunt face from the bucal fat removal procedure and other work she has had. They will likely have to turn it up quite a bit to hide her extremely changed looks. She went from being a smoking 20-year-old to a haggard 45-year-old through the magic of plastic surgery. Thanks jews!
Her character is literally supposed to be the 'girl empowerment' character who is against social media and peer pressure. Yet she ruins her looks in real life because of social media and hollywood pressure.
Five seasons for Boys. Seven for Invincible. But Invincible will likely not get the full order if it takes them half a decade to make one season.
Honestly I respect the very few women who don't do work on themselves in Hollywood. It's very few to be honest like for instance Drew Barrymore not long ago said she was happy not getting any plastic work done and is fine with just natural aging.
Funny how it's usually the loudest feminist celebs who go don't "objective women!" And than get a boob job and end up looking like a Barbie doll come to life.
You either die naturally aging or live long enough to see yourself become Madonna.
Its sad that we are gone from the days where Darth Vader the villian is the most popular character from Star Wars because he's a cool villain and was merchandise heavily because of it.
Trust me, the marketing department know perfectly well that Homelander is the best character. That's why all the T-shirts, action figures, Funko Pops and other mass produced consoomer shit associated with The Boys features him prominently.
Oats12345 said:
Now and days creators don't want you to like their villains because their evil and that means your a horrible person if you like them.
I don't think that it's the creators that necessarily have this problem, so much as it is the fandom. Fandoms tend to be weird online places populated by weird online people. They're the ones likely to write deranged screeds about how, if you like this particular character or ship these two particular characters in your fanfiction then you're a toxic, hateful, rape apologist who's also aphobic, do not interact, block and stay safe, guys.
They also tend to make excuses for the villainous characters they do like, about how they're not so bad or how ackshually their morally questionable actions are entirely justified.
Me, I just happen to enjoy characters who are flawed, fucked up people. It's entertaining to me. Wouldn't want to know them in real life, but for example, watching the atmosphere in a room completely change when Homelander walks in, like someone's tossed a live grenade into the middle of the floor? That's compelling.
Marvin Milk wouldn't say 'sex workers'. You know how I know that? Because he's a working class black man in his forties who (like most of the American public, despite what these terminally online hacks seem to believe) doesn't have a fucking Twitter account full of people ready to educate (by which they mean 'correct') him when he says The Wrong Thing. Marvin Milk wouldn't say 'sex workers'. He'd say 'hookers'. Or he'd say 'hos'. Or he could say 'prostitutes', because there's nothing wrong with that word, despite what the Pimp Lobby and the porn industry would have you believe.
I feel like you have a major problem understanding MM as a character in the show. Or something.
He's not your typical black man. It's core to his character. He spends his time while not hunting supes trying to be a good example and a leading figure to the kids he's trying to reform and to his daughter. He's also well educated and diplomatic when speaking. It could also be seen as an extension of his OCD and wanting to sterilize the situation.
Comic MM? I could see it because Ennis basically looked at Luke Cage and ripped him off lock, stock, and barrel.
don't forget the authority in '99.
also had a gay batman/superman relationship, one dude addicted to heroin, the leader dying at the end of the first run (the spirit of the 20st century which ended on new year's eve), the team getting replaced and brainwashed (including the females made wives) and other fun shenanigans. the edge didn't stop there:
A number of panels and covers during the Millar/Quitely run, which was published in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks, were censored by DC Comics.[5] During Millar and Quitely's first arc, red filters were used to obscure particularly violent panels. DC also ordered a scene in which Apollo and Midnighter kiss be completely removed, and a character based on Marvel Comics' Captain America be redesigned, subsequently re-drawn and recolored on the cover to issue #14 to differentiate between the two.[5] DC would order Adams' work on the final issues of the volume be substantially re-drawn, the more significant examples being a scene depicting leader of the G7 Authority, The Colonel, about to perform a sexual act on Jenny Sparks' severely-decomposed corpse that was re-drawn and Millar's dialogue was re-written to remove any depiction or mention of necrophilia; a panel in which G7 Authority member Teuton kills multiple people by flying through them, that was re-drawn as two separate and less graphic panels; multiple panels in which Teuton gropes Apollo against his will and is then killed in a particularly gory fashion, which were re-drawn so as not to show the groping and to make Teuton's death scene less explicit; a series of panels depicting Swift being humiliated, which had sexual overtones, and was re-drawn so as to soften the scene; and a panel in which George W. Bush was depicted that was re-drawn so the character who appears as the President of the United States would not resemble Bush.[5]
TLDR: the proto-EU avengers were even bigger cunts than the seven (swift is the spirit of the 21st century, given the date you can probably guess how old she was in context...)
I feel like you have a major problem understanding MM as a character in the show. Or something.
He's not your typical black man. It's core to his character. He spends his time while not hunting supes trying to be a good example and a leading figure to the kids he's trying to reform and to his daughter. He's also well educated and diplomatic when speaking. It could also be seen as an extension of his OCD and wanting to sterilize the situation.
Comic MM? I could see it because Ennis basically looked at Luke Cage and ripped him off lock, stock, and barrel.
I must confess to being slightly confused about what they're even trying to do with regard to Mother's Milk.
I've said before that I don't mind if an adaptation diverges from the source material, so long as the changes it makes are interesting. But nothing about the TV show's version of Mother's Milk is. It feels like they took everything unique and weird and fun from the comic and chucked it straight in the fucking bin, so all we're left with is this boring black guy most people forget is even in the damn show.
Not only did they absolutely gut his backstory to tie it in with Soldier Boy (another character they changed to be more boring), but him not having superpowers in the TV show means they likely aren't going to do anything involving his 'Momma' either.
I mean, even his alias, Mother's Milk, doesn't make any fucking sense now, because they gave his whole breastmilk thing to Homelander.
Is there any actual reason to watch this beyond midway through season 2?
The show went from biting commentary like the "Witness HER truth" and the company whoring out maeve as a lesbian pride candy bars and all to "SETH ROGEN HAS BREACHED CONTAINMENT, ORANGEMAN BAD ORANGE MAN BAD IMMIGRANT GOOD!!" in the course of a single fucking episode.
