The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series

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Also, with the reveal they gave in this episode. It makes it even weirder that Vought would switch sides. The Nazis has a functional supersoldier, and nobody else did. D-Day should never have even happened. Stormfront can break the sound barrier, and tear down buildings with her lightning bolts. She should have been able to zip across the channel, and send every ship with ammunition onboard, to the bottom of the sea. If she didn't do that, then she could have routed any of the landing zones by herself; and then flew to the others to do the same with no real issue.

Hell, she could have flown straight to Moscow, and turned the Soviet upper command into charred corpses without anyone really stopping her. She's faster than the fighters at the time, bulletproof, and can engage and disengage at will. Did he switch sides before dosing Stormfront? If not, it makes absolutely no sense that the war would go any other way than a complete Nazi victory. It's not like she's just a 'human but better'. She's a flying smart MOAB, with the staying power to demolish any armed forces that stick around to actually fight her.
 
Stormfront did nothing wrong.
Agreed, she's a good gurl.
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Also, with the reveal they gave in this episode. It makes it even weirder that Vought would switch sides. The Nazis has a functional supersoldier, and nobody else did. D-Day should never have even happened. Stormfront can break the sound barrier, and tear down buildings with her lightning bolts. She should have been able to zip across the channel, and send every ship with ammunition onboard, to the bottom of the sea. If she didn't do that, then she could have routed any of the landing zones by herself; and then flew to the others to do the same with no real issue.

Hell, she could have flown straight to Moscow, and turned the Soviet upper command into charred corpses without anyone really stopping her. She's faster than the fighters at the time, bulletproof, and can engage and disengage at will. Did he switch sides before dosing Stormfront? If not, it makes absolutely no sense that the war would go any other way than a complete Nazi victory. It's not like she's just a 'human but better'. She's a flying smart MOAB, with the staying power to demolish any armed forces that stick around to actually fight her.
Probably because they don't think through the implications of the Nazis truly having a superhuman on their side of the war leading to inconsistencies and such nonsense.
 
Probably because they don't think through the implications of the Nazis truly having a superhuman on their side of the war leading to inconsistencies and such nonsense.
Oh yeah definitely. It would make more sense if Vought left, then dosed Stormfront. Or if Vought was playing both sides, and made Stormfront and Soldier Boy at the same time to see which of them worked better as supersoldiers. Stormfront works more if she's not a racial Nazi, but a direct Eugenicist. She doesn't give a fuck about race, or anything like that - outside of being Europeanish - and instead cares only about compatibility with V. Voughts goals was presumably to create a literal master race, so making a 'breeding pair' would be a perfect start for that. If he had no real connection to Germany, and Stormfront likewise only cared about making a perfect being, then going to somewhere where their work might be interfered with less, makes more sense than 'Lol, Germany has a living, unkillable bunker buster but still lost.' Plus, would be an interesting angle for soldier boy. Vought intended for him and Stormfront to be the literal Adam and Eve for a new breed of superior humans.

Also, what absolute madman, received footage, or documents about Voughts only working supersoldier - a Nazi, that can bounce AAA shells off of her tits and turn tanks into ping pong balls - and said 'Lol, fly them over.'. Would they fuck accept a defection like that. Even if Stormfront could have eventually made her way across the ocean under her own power, flying her in is like letting a wolf in with the sheep. If she made landfall on US soil and decided to go rogue, the damage she could have done would be insane. The show seems to be trying to treat it like some sort of Captain America situation, but it's not. Stormfront would have been a game changer at the time, and the US had no way of countering her. I know it's because they didn't even try and think through the implications, but the first time Stormfront got off the plane to America, would have been as tense as the Cuban missile crisis. One wrong move and the US government gets char broiled by a pissed off widow.
 
Also, with the reveal they gave in this episode. It makes it even weirder that Vought would switch sides. The Nazis has a functional supersoldier, and nobody else did. D-Day should never have even happened. Stormfront can break the sound barrier, and tear down buildings with her lightning bolts. She should have been able to zip across the channel, and send every ship with ammunition onboard, to the bottom of the sea. If she didn't do that, then she could have routed any of the landing zones by herself; and then flew to the others to do the same with no real issue.

Hell, she could have flown straight to Moscow, and turned the Soviet upper command into charred corpses without anyone really stopping her. She's faster than the fighters at the time, bulletproof, and can engage and disengage at will. Did he switch sides before dosing Stormfront? If not, it makes absolutely no sense that the war would go any other way than a complete Nazi victory. It's not like she's just a 'human but better'. She's a flying smart MOAB, with the staying power to demolish any armed forces that stick around to actually fight her.

That's assuming military grade technology wouldn't work on Stormfront. We know typical bullets won't hurt her but what about missiles? Kimiko, Maeve, and Starlight kicked the shit out of her and I'm not willing to believe they pack more power than high explosives. Stormfront seems to have the same durability as the typical supe does. The only ones we've seen with super durability so far have been Translucent, Homelander, and Soldier Boy. Everyone else seems killable with conventional means.
 
That's assuming military grade technology wouldn't work on Stormfront. We know typical bullets won't hurt her but what about missiles? Kimiko, Maeve, and Starlight kicked the shit out of her and I'm not willing to believe they pack more power than high explosives. Stormfront seems to have the same durability as the typical supe does. The only ones we've seen with super durability so far have been Translucent, Homelander, and Soldier Boy. Everyone else seems killable with conventional means.
Sure now, but not during WW2. The armament of the day for engaging flying targets of the time was shrapnel, and that's against slower target. If she's speeding along in the same ballpark as Homelander, the only way they're even seeing her is if she floats there and showboats for a bit. Starlight can put her fists through concrete like it's made of balsa without breaking a sweat, Maeve stopped a speeding bank truck by taking it on her - rather nice - ass without moving an inch while it ripped itself apart around her. Neither of them are particularly weak. Kimiko is meh. I can't really recall her doing anything impressive. Translucent is weird, and might be kind of retarded. If someone can shove C4 up your ass to kill you, then C4 just anywhere near you will kill you. Unless his skin is magic and outright makes energy go away when it touches it.

A lucky shot from a tank, or anti tank gun could have probably killed her, or hit from an infantry carried anti-tank rocket. But she's only really threatened by them when grounded. I suppose it would be a situation in the same vein as Uber. Where the simple reality was that her and Vought looked at the war, and Vought said 'fuck it. We could send you into the meatgrinding and risk you dying, but why not try defection first' and they got lucky? Or she's gotten stronger as the V has sat in her system over time, or they didn't know how strong she was at the time, or she was afraid of combat and didn't want to fight, or Vought was a man living in the 1930's and didn't want his wife going off to war. Hell, he might not have even thought of combat applications at the time, and just wanted to make a superior human in general.

I was being dramatic, and there are plenty of reasons why Vought wouldn't send his wife out into the hell of early modern global war, for sure. It's just kind of irksome to me, that they just sort of breeze past a piece of worldbuilding (Superhumans in WW2) which could have been a world changing event by itself.
 
Can we talk about how fucking cool Soldier Boy is conceptually as a character? I love practically everything about him. He’s pissed off PTSD Steve Rogers going postal on a team that betrayed him as he tries to cope and make sense of a modern world he doesn’t understand. He reminds me a lot of Frank Castle, The Punisher. He really does feel like a man out of time, a proper Captain America. And his powers are the icing on the cake. Not only does he have Captain America’s trademark agelessness but what I might consider a far superior durability and strength. Most importantly however he has a fucking nuclear blast! What better power for a WW2 super soldier? It perfectly ties everything together while being a nice little nod to the real super weapon of the Second World War.
 
Can we talk about how fucking cool Soldier Boy is conceptually as a character? I love practically everything about him. He’s pissed off PTSD Steve Rogers going postal on a team that betrayed him as he tries to cope and make sense of a modern world he doesn’t understand. He reminds me a lot of Frank Castle, The Punisher. He really does feel like a man out of time, a proper Captain America. And his powers are the icing on the cake. Not only does he have Captain America’s trademark agelessness but what I might consider a far superior durability and strength. Most importantly however he has a fucking nuclear blast! What better power for a WW2 super soldier? It perfectly ties everything together while being a nice little nod to the real super weapon of the Second World War.

He got the nuclear blast when the Cold War was in full-swing so that's kind of funny. And yeah he's a cool character. Loved when he punched Hughie when he was about to go into one of his 'waahhhh' speeches.
 
Well, after this episode, it's only a matter of how much of a shithead they can make Soldier Boy out to be.

Was he sincere in saying that he'd let Homelander take his place due to the latter being his son? Does he actually love his son? Or is he just doing this to cause an imbalance with Homelander so that he can get close enough to kill the guy? With the former, he's going to end up betraying his rescuers for his son, with the latter, he's going to be the kind of jealous asshole who won't even let his son take his place. Considering his treatment of Black Noir and him not letting Noir get into the spotlight, both options are possible. Maybe he's a piece of shit with a heart and he genuinely loves his son. Or maybe he's an egotistical bastard who's willing to kill his son to keep his #1 spot. Especially considering the fact that Homelander was artificially made from Soldier Boy's DNA instead of being born like a regular kid.

But it's a given that Soldier Boy is a piece of shit. Black Noir's flashbacks proved that.

Also, with the reveal they gave in this episode. It makes it even weirder that Vought would switch sides. The Nazis has a functional supersoldier, and nobody else did. D-Day should never have even happened. Stormfront can break the sound barrier, and tear down buildings with her lightning bolts. She should have been able to zip across the channel, and send every ship with ammunition onboard, to the bottom of the sea. If she didn't do that, then she could have routed any of the landing zones by herself; and then flew to the others to do the same with no real issue.
Stormfront must've been dosed after Vought made the switch. But this whole Soldier Boy/Vought backstory makes no fucking sense. If they made Soldier Boy for the American military, why not have him storm the beaches on D-Day? He even has super strength and a fucking shield; he's a glorified bullet sponge, perfect for soaking up those .50 caliber bullets. Starlight/Annie was nowhere near as strong as Soldier Boy, and she tanked rounds that would turn regular humans into red mist. And why would Vought seek to enter the military-industrial complex, when the creation of Soldier Boy-A SUPERSOLDIER, already shows that they're a part of said complex? Frankly, I can't believe Uncle Sam would let Frederick Vought go private and start his own company. It would naturally just lead to Frederick Vought and his work getting nationalized by the American government, and the Feds would have a monopoly on supes the same way they have a monopoly on nukes.

It also makes no sense that SB never fought on D-Day; Stan Edgar, who knows Vought's secret history, even describes Soldier Boy to Homelander as having killed Germans by the dozens. So was Stan lying to Homelander, or was he working off propaganda instead of the truth? Considering that he was discussing "the truth" with Homelander and not "the stuff we tell the shareholders", it seems like this is a poorly-worded retcon just to shit on the guy. Either that, or he fought in other battles after D-Day against the Krauts.

Because Starlight is just the worst. She's literally a superpowered 20 something liberal college woman. Anything that would actually boost up Hughie or Butcher is a no-no. It's oddly hard for me to summise why honestly, because it just sort of boils down to 'because she's a cunt' in my opinion.
Oh, I can summarize it easily. Men gaining power so they can protect their women is "toxic masculinity". But women getting powers is them being themselves. If Starlight had any sense, she'd have grabbed an extra dose of the blue V so that she can give it to Hughie and Butcher instead of them relying on the rather deadly Temp V.
 
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Oh, I can summarize it easily. Men gaining power so they can protect their women is "toxic masculinity". But women getting powers is them being themselves. If Starlight had any sense, she'd have grabbed an extra dose of the blue V so that she can give it to Hughie and Butcher instead of them relying on the rather deadly Temp V.
The "real V" is even more deadly than the regular V. It's been shown that even V-compatible individuals experience severe pain (Newman's daughter and Kimiko) on injection and can OD (Popclaw and A-Train) on the thing. V-compatibility also sharply declines with age: it kills most adults, that's why Temp V is made and marketed for the military(I assume that it has a less dense and/or volatile formula which is less lethal to adults) and why V research still isn't over after 80 years.
Though that does put Soldier Boy and Stormfront into question, since they were 100% adults when injected. Comics explain it by modern V being an inferior, cheaper serum but in the show they're just lucky ubermensch I guess
 
Come on, no love for Soldier Boy singing From A Logical Point of View?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vXgpO8GEToI
by far the best part of this season has been Jensen Ackles having a fucking blast, next to Hughie with Powers and as always, Homelander.

Edit: seriously look at the last minute of that video, you can tell he's barely containing himself, he has a shit eating grin and I'm fairly sure he's drunk, too
The fuck is this song. Vulcan reggae?
 
*hits bong* Dude what if superheroes were like…fucked up?
Watchmen already handled that, with much more pizzazz.

Also, it makes no sense that Vought would be the only company making superheroes. Corporate sabotage and state monopolies are a thing. Either some asshole not getting paid enough would leak the Compound V formula to another pharmaceutical company, or Uncle Sam would monopolize Compound V and superheroes in general.

The "real V" is even more deadly than the regular V. It's been shown that even V-compatible individuals experience severe pain (Newman's daughter and Kimiko) on injection and can OD (Popclaw and A-Train) on the thing. V-compatibility also sharply declines with age: it kills most adults, that's why Temp V is made and marketed for the military(I assume that it has a less dense and/or volatile formula which is less lethal to adults) and why V research still isn't over after 80 years.
Though that does put Soldier Boy and Stormfront into question, since they were 100% adults when injected. Comics explain it by modern V being an inferior, cheaper serum but in the show they're just lucky ubermensch I guess
Considering Temp V works well with Butcher and Hughie, I can't see why the old V won't work as well. That, and Soldier Boy and Stormfront were definitely infused as adults. Also, in the comics, EVERYONE took the original Compound V formula, including Butcher and Hughie.
 
Came across this on Twitter.
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I'm a little befuddled at how Hugie and Annie in the comics were one of the only highlights in the original comic whereas Hugie and Annie in the show are one of the only blemishes of the writing.

And its not like I hate Annie: I actually really liked her scene with Homelander in the last episode. It just seems like every time she has to interact with her boyfriend the two of them both lose all their likability. It's more apparent with Starlight, but Hughie suddenly acting like a baby despite everything he had gone through just feels so against the story.
 
One of the things that bothers me about the series is just getting worse and worse. I hardly consume any contemporary media, but at first I liked this one. It did have one glaring problem that you see in fictional writing, but it was restrained to certain moments early on. It's when you look at a work of fiction, and you don't see the characters, the scenario, or the world that's being built. Instead, you see the writer, and that immersion is completely broken. The main point early on in the series was when the whole religious revival thing was being used a pinata. I didn't see a plot that made sense internally, I saw a 'fuck you, DAD' white boy who projects his rebellious teenage angst on to God waaaay past it's expiration date. You could see the author's pathologies and politics bleeding through the screen. The same thing happened with the Stormfront/4chan story, I didn't see a well-thought out plot, I saw someone who credulously reads dumb editorials and thought 'I'll work this into my story- those 4chan trolls are awful!' Then, in the most recent episodes, it's reached a fever pitch and has just become very tiresome. The gun nut guy, the BLM thing, the schizo GF behavior of Starlight that just makes zero sense - it's like any motive force to the story is being subsumed by a preachy, ham-fisted writer. Instead of fleshing out interesting stories, it seems like random shitlib political mores are being shoehorned into every single episode.

I do have to say I love Ashley as a character. Whoever writes her has a lot of experience with insufferable, AWFL HR cunts, because she fits that 'type' to a T.
 
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