For me both Alex Hirsch, and Dana Terrace are the poster children of this.
The latter was given millions of dollars to have her lesbian kid couple, in her own bootleg My Little Witch Academia show and she still somehow bitter about Disney. And Hirsch always bitches about how his bosses made sure he was forced to keep his content kid friendly. No shit. He was making a kid’s show. And of Disney using Gravity Falls IP without him. It’s almost like Disney owns the IP, and he was merely an employee or something.
IRL soyjaks will use any hypothetical, weather said hypothetical is serious or a joke, as an opportunity to morally grandstand. If someone asked, who is the worst indie creator, they are not asking which indie creator is the worst person IRL, they are asking which indie creator makes the worst content. But this guy is taking this twitter post as an opportunity to discuss why he thinks Vizziepop is a bad person, so he can in turn look like an upstanding person.
For comparison, this is the equivalent of being asked "tits or ass?" and responding with "I value a girl's personality!" That was not the question being asked, you are being a pussy who is desperate for a pat on the back for being a good boy, because your father never gave you one.
Fuck you.
IRL soyjaks will use any hypothetical, weather said hypothetical is serious or a joke, as an opportunity to morally grandstand. If someone asked, who is the worst indie creator, they are not asking which indie creator is the worst person IRL, they are asking which indie creator makes the worst content. But this guy is taking this twitter post as an opportunity to discuss why he thinks Vizziepop is a bad person, so he can in turn look like an upstanding person.
For comparison, this is the equivalent of being asked "tits or ass?" and responding with "I value a girl's personality!" That was not the question being asked, you are being a pussy who is desperate for a pat on the back for being a good boy, because your father never gave you one.
Fuck you.
This soy's idea is ohhh gooseworx, she's silly! She's goofy, wacky, happy, funny and a transgender who don't do no wrong. But vivziepop? S H E' S A P E D O P H I L E, S H E I S E V I L, S H E M A K E S H O R R I B L E C O N T E N T.
@Two Frogs just casually linking to prime intellect? Reminds me, does Goose have an old whatpad or whatever with thinly disguised PI goon fic? Put that as a TODO for the inevitable thread.
Youtube reccomended me a short and to the point (albeit slightly autistic due to him fighting with his own brain ghosts) vid of a dude bringing up the shit that's been brought up before about glitch and spindlehorse but it genuinely is pretty fucked how the only "successful indie" guys the last several years have all only gotten there due to funding and ads from amazon and netflix.
this is beautiful lol. I've never seen that sentiment summed up as best as this.
The troon-coded irony poisoning and wacky zany millenial humor shit has gotten so old I think that the new "subverting your expectations" will be that your expectations weren't subverted. A return to a medium where there is no gimmick, no messaging, and just plain sincerity. Or just how most media was before m*llenials got a grasp on culture.
I think what I'm learning from this is that glitch desperately needs someone who will take the autists and wrangle them. Don't just take on good faith that someone who's made a couple of interesting shorts actually knows how to make a who season, get some kind of producer or something that will clean things up and make sure they have a coherent beginning, middle and end.
@Two Frogs just casually linking to prime intellect? Reminds me, does Goose have an old whatpad or whatever with thinly disguised PI goon fic? Put that as a TODO for the inevitable thread.
Prime Intellect is a great story that covers all the beats that TADC wishes it could. I'm not surprised Goose was directly inspired by it and jerked off to it.
I will never get over the writers thinking Queenie's zombie corpse floating in an aquarium zoo is a good, sweet thing. View attachment 9052087 View attachment 9052089 View attachment 9052090 View attachment 9052091
No horror or concern on Pomni's face. Only pure happiness and bliss because of how pretty their zombie friends' corpses are as lavalamps.
Kinger is crying on the inside, I'm sure.
There's this ominous message in the series that being isolated and having someone rude to you (like Jax did to Ribbit and Kaufmo) are enough for any of them to abstract/die/suicide. One bad season and they're all doomed. People throughout history have endured and survived insane levels of starvation, isolation, pandemics, and oppression. There have been many stories to teach and strengthen children through the realities of isolation, vicious malicious murderous people, and bad times that every single one of us have faced and will face at some point in our lives. But TADC portrays suicide or death as one rude person rejecting you away.
I love how the only real horror aspect this show ended up having came not from the content of the show itself, but the meta knowledge of knowing the writer is a head-drilling tranny sociopath who doesn't understand human relationship dynamics in the slightest.
My heart goes out to the parents who are going to be hauling their kids to the theatres to see this shit. It takes me back to the days of my grandmother taking little weirdo Spider to Hot Topic and having to endure the noise on the radio. Except instead of music from brooding men yelling about how much they hate their parents, it's watching a cartoon rabbit strangle a clown and an implied sex scene between two non-euclidian objects.
It would be utterly surprising if Glitch was able to actually limit themselves to 9 episodes. They unexpectedly hit solid gold with the admittedly interesting premise and execution and it definitely found a pretty massive committed audience, even here where most people rib it more than love it. This is their mainline product now, and limiting it to 9 episodes would be a financial disaster. As proven by the amount of merchandising out there, there is a LOT of money and attention left sitting on the table not milking this thing to the fullest extent. It would be a show of outstanding autistic commitment to not keep the money printer operating.
Nah. Even demons know right from wrong. Troons are more like bacteria. Just exist to make everyone else sick and refuse to think beyond their perceived innate programming.
The thing, is that the quirkychungas nature of the gags, jokes, writing and characterizations is the type to attract mostly tweenagers into these things.
That's the age I was when I got into FNAF, and other kids my age were getting into undertale and shit.
As it turns out, quirkychungas stories attract quirkychungas people who are at their most quirkychungas stage of their lives.
Y'know, it seems like every few months or so, there's some huge Indie Animation™ show that pops up online, spreads like wildfire, and gets all kinds of praise and popularity. Then it turns out that either the show got up its own ass and completely fell apart, or there's massive drama that went on behind the scenes, or both.
Starting to see a few more people try to call this stuff out but usually when I do see it they pussyfoot. There's an elephant in the room that these types of shows are popping up way too frequently and end up going down this very route. It's about the same with Indie gaming too there's way too much of this stuff coming out that follows the same formulas and made by the same types of people.
This is animation so I’m assuming like half of these retards are review bombing it while three and two stars are more accurate. Animators are some of the most autistic retards you will meet. Like all theatre kids or dramafags, they will do it for free with the assumption that they’ll be rewarded later/ worked like dogs because the animation lead promised the sky and they willingly worked for free with some convincing.
@LiquidKid is an actual art person and may have more insight in the industry. My experience is talking with friends about labor laws when I was lab tech at a shitty job. My manager and the owner couldn’t actually fire me when I brought up the states legal requirements and how they were being cocksuckers. My friend responded in the most servile way possible, saying I should be thankful i had a job and how she does “x” without being asked. Years later she bitches about how much they abused her.
Well, I am the resident animation sperg, so I guess I can chime in.
Thanks to Glitch doing a lot of hiring specifically from the Southern California animation scene, which I have a lot of connections in(no one truly worth while that I would personally brag about) I do happen to know a few people who work for Glitch.
None of them have had anything but positive things to say about the managers, but they do infamously make you work long hours and they pay below industry rate for most of the jobs, it’s also worth pointing out that during their rapid expansion over the last two years they’ve been doing partnerships with failed industry show runners like Dana Terrace(Owl House) and Olan Rogers(Final Space). Though oddly I know that Raye Rodriguez (High Guardian Spice), who has been extremely down in her luck to a depressing enough degree that even people from her thread feel bad from her LinkedIn depression posts, has been openly trying everything to be hired by them and is left on read.
Olan, after two years with them where he said close to nothing about what he was doing with them, recently announced he was leaving the company. We have no idea what he was working k or what made him leave.
Dana’s pilot Knight’s of Gwendavier(however the fuck you spell that) came out but was more or less a dud and I will be very surprised if they continue it further.
Glitch is in this odd position where all the money they rake in from Digital Circus made them want to green light every D-List celebrity in the animation world’s cartoons to try and be seen as the authority in indie animation, and it’s felt VERY forced. Everywhere you see people who are industry and industry adjacent claiming there’s a “indie animation boom” and that it as golden age for indies… despite the only real successes being Digital Circus, Hazbin Hotel, and Helluvaboss, and I don’t believe this was accidental, it very much feels manufactured by Glitch themselves to be scene as the only studio getting things made, even if they stuff they do make comes out as very low budget and clearly first pass scripts. These are projects no one would green light because they’re half baked, but Glitch wants to be seen as by creatives for creatives, so they’ll throw money at it and because the industry is laying off so many people, they get the pick of the roost for talent. Former Disney, Nickelodeon, Dreamworks, Cartoon Network, literally everyone’ who has been laid off in the last 5 years is desperately trying to land a job with Glitch, and they’re willing to take the pay cut so they can get their name in a project people might watch. But because it’s all the fired people, glitch ends up with the trimmable fat. No one who is actually worth a damn in the industry is at Glitch.
And then you have their bizarre business model. Make a “pilot” and sell toys immediately after and if enough people buy the toys, then they free light it for a show. Basically ensuring the budget is there well before any scripts or plans or written, as scene by how clearly digital circus has no story in the pilot and had no coherent plan.
This is why you get stuff like Gameoverse, which is already a bad knockoff of Nickelodeon’s failed show Glitch Techs, and decided to debute with the fan service beach episode to ensure there’s be tons of porn of the cat girl and the villainess, which proved to be very successful in generation buzz.
But more onto how their management works. They hire people specifically to work in the California timezone(so they can be considered Hollywood despite their Australian roots). They then demand you be available for calls at any time, many of the employees work 7 day weeks, often working the night shift for the Australian side despite being hired for the California time. You’re often given the jobs of 3 people solely on you, so many of them are over worked, and their schedules have to be fast to meet the YouTube algorithm. There isn’t really a race bias, the people they hire are fired animation folk, and the animation industry has been firing a lot of white men while keeping the browns and women for diversity reasons(though I did have a conversation with a Disney TVA employee a few mince back that told me this has changed). So don’t treat the lack of black people as racism, treat it more as a symptom of them picking up the rejects.
But the big reason people are claiming misogyny and the like is because they’re not always happy with the “celebrity” hires. Controversial people that make them want to lash out because they don’t like everything that person has done.
Keep in mind, these people are spergs who couldn’t make it in Hollywood because they weren’t willing to take notes on their precious passion projects. Indie animators are some of the hardest people to be around, I cannot stress this enough, and often times the people who claim that the industry is “racist” of “incestuous” or “misogynous” or that “producers ruin everything” are the ones who just don’t like the idea that they weren’t given $40 million to make their an incoherent consequent passion project that’s secretly about their struggles with sexuality and mental illness.
