Xitter keeps coping that Troonworx made the ending bad because of 'le fanbase can't behave durrr' because of a Xeet xe made after the pilot and it's so obvious that xe just can't write .
Do you guys think xe only wrote this to cover xer bad writing in advance?
I love that this exact Tweet has been posted 3 times ever since we started discussing the movie. Hell, I'm pretty sure I posted it a little bit before that too.
I think the reason why everyone hates the ending is that it's depressing and the characters basically just "accepted" by the characters when no reasonable AI copy of a human mind would accept being forced to be stuck in a Circus simulation.
Because there can be a storm that causes a power outage that shuts off the computer containing this simulation, if that happens. Wouldn't they just be as good as dead? Or maybe another homeless guy decides to come and just destroy it for the shits and giggles.
Yeah, I think it's reasonable to hate this ending and understand why people like PPP were pissed off about it.
Not just that, if they don't have memories of their human selves, why would they be upset being stuck in this digital circus if they have no idea what being human was like. It's probably worse that they know learn of what their real are like knowing what they are missing out on.
Logically, I think the best thing they could do is somehow hack into the system and make themselves completely forget about their former lives and their former humans selves.
They would be able to effectively gaslight themselves into thinking they were never human at all, and just think they were an AI the whole time like Caine and the other NPCs and continue living in the circus world with them with blissful ignorance.
Until their world inevitably dies when the computer breaks down for whatever reason.
Personally, I'm more pissed off at the ending because it butchers how Pomni has been written this entire show and no one seems to care in the slightest that Jax abstracted. Not even Pomni, who was closest to him. It feels like his death was made to be a big fat joke for the audience to laugh at, but none of the jokes were funny.
Ehh, it's already pretty well documented .The SCP Foundation thread has a section on the series, Pyrocynical has a thread, Squizzy has a thread, F1nn5ter has a thread, Goonclown has a thread. All I did was summarize the whole thing in broad strokes. Besides, only Pyrocynical and F1nn5ter are even relevant now, and they've grown cautious after being burned before.
Just watched the leak, I enjoyed it despite the flaws.
Jax abstracting has been foreshadowed to hell and back for like three episodes or so now, although the dipshit fandom is going to lose their shit hilariously over it probably.
Bringing back Caine was dumb and they should have stuck to their guns on him being dead IMHO, the ending could have been the exact same and would have still made sense but with conjuring/Kinger doing the heavy lifting instead of an inexplicably redeemed Caine swooping in to save the day.
All in all I'd say it's a decent show, solid 7/10 in my book.
Wanted to expand on what I mean by these indie animation shows feeling like bad fanfictions of themselves:
Hazbin Hotel - Premise: A hotel that attempts to reform evil people to be good. What you would expect from the premise: Each episode is about a new guest and the main characters struggling to manage them, let alone reform them. Actual content: A grand arch-narrative about a battle between heaven and hell, with lots of musical numbers and attempts at emotional pathos that fall flat because they feel rushed and unearned.
Helluva Boss - Premise: A group of ambitious but incompetent would-be-hitmen who murder living people on behalf of the dead who want revenge. What you would expect from the premise: Each episode is about a new attempted murder plot that goes hilariously awry, as the intended victims outsmart the main characters. Actual content: A gay romance between the main character and a giant owl demon cheating on his wife.
TADC - Premise: A group of people are trapped in a virtual cartoon world and must occupy their minds with inconsequential adventures to avoid going insane. What you would expect from the premise: Each episode is about a silly scenario where the characters deal with a new monster of the week. Actual content: An extended therapy session where one character is evidently being used as a self-insert for the writer's own issues and character interactions full of "will-they-won't-they" without having already been given a reason to care.
Final takeaway: Indie animators are naturally self-indulgent creatures, and they need an actual studio to reign them in and do something other than use the property as a way to hawk plushies and t-shirts.
It isn't an animator thing, what they have in common is they are very much descended from the tumblr school of writing AKA create cool premise then ignore it to focus on faggotry, mental illness, trauma porn, and shipping.
Welcome to Nightvale had this issue almost 15 years ago - Premise: A radio station in a supernatural desert town. What you would expect from the premise: Each episode is just a list of news reports of strange things around the town. Actual content: The series focuses on the radio host's gay love life.
So they decide to just rebuild the status quo? They ovethrow Cain, can rearrange their digital reality however they want and they change nothing? Not even a "hey I wish my avatar body was 2" taller"? Man these losers have no creativity or imagination they can only imagine existing in a world made by someone else... oh they are... fanfic writers
And Caine being two A.I.s smooshed together is reduced to... the functional one the unfunctional one absorbed was le evulz and removing it fixes Caine? And okay Cain is in the Recycling Bin... a program shouldn't be running in there. If you wanted to Deus ex Machina him back (lame but okay) it should be someone *else* restoring the file from the bin. Caine should be in like... suspended animation. And Bubble is... nothing. Even though it is the only A.I. Caine keeps running indefinitely which he says he doesn't allow and implies is dangerous.
And Jax abstracting is... off-screened and pointless. Caine being deleted and the Circus falling apart without it's demiurge should have released all the abstrated. You know, minds that are in a total neverending insanity of pain and suffering? Also with no one in control they should be able to manifest anything they want. Dozens of insane minds with god powers? The place should have been swallowed up into a mental hellspace. Then the cast could bring Caine back to get a handle on the situation, or the power of love and friendship(tm) has them figuring out what causes abstration. Or *something*. Or even a dark "Oh we killed God and now we have to suffer because we didn't know how good we had it."
And of course all the characters are troonslop irl. And Zooble chooses to keep they/them's body x̌ey/ẓ̌em hates so much. Once again proving the mentally ill and deformed don't want a cure, they *enjoy* being miserable and wouldn't have it any other way.
And they are connected to the CAPITAL I INTERNET? This is the worse part. How does Caine only have limited information on the real world? How is Caine so desperate to keep the humans alive and well? Isn't it because or else he will be all alone with nothing to interact with? HE HAS THE ENTIRE INTERNET? This is like a man wishing for a single book his whole life and revealing he had the friggin' Library of Alexandria thw whole time.
So the cast go back to the status quo, self-actualize or create nothing, and use their connection to the Internet and all it's potential, reach and knowledge (and ability to interact with and effect the real world) to... doomscroll social media.
By Jove... they really are self-inserts! They just sit around in their room, living in a digital circus, are miserable, go to therapy who tells them the solution is to just be "okay with it" and do nothing to change the world around you to what you want.
That is the lesson. Sit on the internet, do nothing, and go to therapy so you don't kill yourself (but ~41% will, just lock those metaphorically away and don't think about them) and just sit around your meaningless life and silently wait for the lights to go out.
Glad I didn't watch it. Thank you Brazil
"Is this reality? Jean-Paul Sartre postulated that every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness and dies by chance." -Gravity Falls Finale
I think the emphasis on an overarching story hurts a lot of modern fiction. Doing one big story with a lot of forced lore is really fucking easy, but having a completely new story that has to start and end every episode is much more difficult to write in a compelling way. It's like all these troonslop writers saw the Surf Dracula tweet and misunderstood the joke entirely.
This is a natural consequence of the death of cable TV as a medium. With cable TV you kind of HAVE to make your shows episodic because there was no easy way for viewers to watch all prior episodes in order. They have to write the show with the expectation that every episode can be somebody’s first in order to pick up new viewers who are just randomly channel surfing for something new to watch. Making your show too overarching-plot-centric would make it unwatchable for new/casual viewers who haven’t tuned in for every episode since the start of the season, AKA the majority of your audience, so episodic writing is something you just had to do to keep the money flowing.
The direct financial incentives that drove episodic writing for cable TV shows simply do not exist in the streaming age where it is expected that new viewers will watch the show starting from Season 1 Episode 1 because they have the entire backlog easily accessible on demand.
I’ve alluded to it before, but I’m most disappointed in Luke’s role in all this. I don’t think it’s troll’s remorse, more like a Game Grumps thing where Arin/Kevin keeps pushing the business to get bigger and bigger and selling out to whatever he thinks will get them the most notoriety while Dan/Luke just goes with it.
No but really what was the reason behind this? Atp this dude has a boner for every female character except Ragatha, mofo collecting transgender infinity stones
Again, RIP to all the parents taking their kids to this thing expecting something maybe as edgy as Thor at worst based on the rating, only to have the silly purple rabbit sexually harass a woman at a funeral while wearing a maid dress.
Im genuinely not sure what age rating this thing should have. A 12+ for euro countries feels a bit low when 6-11 yos would still be allowed in with their parents.
Helluva Boss - Premise: A group of ambitious but incompetent would-be-hitmen who murder living people on behalf of the dead who want revenge. What you would expect from the premise: Each episode is about a new attempted murder plot that goes hilariously awry, as the intended victims outsmart the main characters. Actual content: A gay romance between the main character and a giant owl demon cheating on his wife.
This reminded me how the ed edd and eddy movie "subverted expectations" by having the ending be eddies cool older brother just being an older more douchey eddie who gets his ass beat by everyone after they see how he messes with his little bro. I man obviously that makes sense but it's also kind of a subversion with how much he's hyped up as one of those guys you never see that's up to cool shit or does weird things offscreen. Video essayists always wax poetic about how deep and mature it is or whatever but it's really just a goofy payoff to a long running gag at the end of the day.
Im starting to believe that therapy needs to be banned or looked upon because is not coincidence that lolcows like idubbbz and every other fag that attends it ends up far more insuferable and insane than they used to.
Wanted to expand on what I mean by these indie animation shows feeling like bad fanfictions of themselves:
Hazbin Hotel - Premise: A hotel that attempts to reform evil people to be good. What you would expect from the premise: Each episode is about a new guest and the main characters struggling to manage them, let alone reform them. Actual content: A grand arch-narrative about a battle between heaven and hell, with lots of musical numbers and attempts at emotional pathos that fall flat because they feel rushed and unearned.
Helluva Boss - Premise: A group of ambitious but incompetent would-be-hitmen who murder living people on behalf of the dead who want revenge. What you would expect from the premise: Each episode is about a new attempted murder plot that goes hilariously awry, as the intended victims outsmart the main characters. Actual content: A gay romance between the main character and a giant owl demon cheating on his wife.
TADC - Premise: A group of people are trapped in a virtual cartoon world and must occupy their minds with inconsequential adventures to avoid going insane. What you would expect from the premise: Each episode is about a silly scenario where the characters deal with a new monster of the week. Actual content: An extended therapy session where one character is evidently being used as a self-insert for the writer's own issues and character interactions full of "will-they-won't-they" without having already been given a reason to care.
Final takeaway: Indie animators are naturally self-indulgent creatures, and they need an actual studio to reign them in and do something other than use the property as a way to hawk plushies and t-shirts.
It's due to them all watching Gravity Falls, Adventure Time and Steven Universe in their teens twenties. Those shows all had an episodic structure with an overarching narrative, "deep" lore that fans could speculate on, quirky homosexual bipocs and episodes with "mature" themes and jokes so manchildren can excuse themselves watching it. Except all those shows had competent studio oversight and were written by people with a professional animation background and education (even doe it's CalArts). The only show I've seen that bucks this trend is Smiling Friends, and that's due to the creators actually playing to their strengths, instead of trying to depict the realistic and messy breakup of an aroace polycule.
It's due to them all watching Gravity Falls, Adventure Time and Steven Universe in their teens twenties. Those shows all had an episodic structure with an overarching narrative, "deep" lore that fans could speculate on, quirky homosexual bipocs and episodes with "mature" themes and jokes so manchildren can excuse themselves watching it. Except all those shows had studio oversight and were managed by people with a professional animation background and education (even doe it's CalArts). The only show I've seen that bucks this trend is Smiling Friends, and that's due to the creators actually playing to their strengths, instead of trying to depict a realistic and messy breakup of an aroace polycule.
Not to mention shows like Gravity Falls pretty much has the entire plot and plot twists planned from the get go so they can properly hint at things, and they didn't get pissy and do an on the fly change just because people guessed things correctly, therefore ruining the show because the change was half assed (looking at Westworld here)
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