The Amazing Digital Circus - Western Isekai that probably will become Hazbin Hotel killer

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SteelPlatedHeart said:
The Moon once it realizes Caine is dead.

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The sun once she realizes she wasn't the one to kill Caine:
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Nicholas II of Russia said:
I am kind of puzzled around how Jax was just easily forgiven in Episode 8 of him pushing the button and treating it like not a big deal. Like not only do the writers just let Jax be an asshole who doesn't think about his action for a single second, they literally made the whole cast go with the trope of "Well everyone is kind of a bad person here in the circus so you're our asshole."

And I think this was the big "Only the strongest fans of Jax will forgive him" moment that Gooseworx was talking about to hype up how much people were going to hate him, but the show does not treat it as a big deal, it's the moment where everyone should hate him but it's treated with such kiddy gloves so it doesn't impact as much. I thought the second Jax was on screen they were all going to rip on him from what happened but it was treated as a nothing burger.

Everyone wants to have their own BoJack Horseman without actually having the show and characters treat them as such. You cannot run away bragging about how horrible your OC is and then turn around softening the blow by trying to make them sympathetic or their victims forgiving them easily.
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Jax acting like what he did was okay because "it all turned out to be fake" actually made me mad.

The fact that none of them tried to kill him even if it was pointless, or none of them even tried to alienate him afterwards is one of the most unrealistic things about the show to me. These are supposed to be "human" characters but none of them act the way a person would in a situation like this.

Pomni's reaction at the end of the gun episode where she tries to kick his ass is the bare minimum of what they all should have done to Jax.
 
Professor Donger said:
Jax acting like what he did was okay because "it all turned out to be fake" actually made me mad.

The fact that none of them tried to kill him even if it was pointless, or none of them even tried to alienate him afterwards is one of the most unrealistic things about the show to me. These are supposed to be "human" characters but none of them act the way a person would in a situation like this.

Pomni's reaction at the end of the gun episode where she tries to kick his ass is the bare minimum of what they all should have done to Jax.
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It's like if someone picked up a gun and pulled the trigger while aiming directly at your head, then shrugged it off when you didn't die because there wasn't really a bullet in the gun, even though they only suspected that the gun wasn't loaded and didn't know for certain when they tried.

Even though the gun wasn't loaded it still showed that they're perfectly willing to kill you, because even they weren't 100% sure when they pulled the trigger.

The "Oh it doesn't matter lol lmao, it's okay Jax." retroactive cope from the other characters is fucking insane to me because it showed them exactly who Jax actually was and how far he's really willing to go to hurt them for his own selfish reasons. It shows they can't trust him whatsoever, but no one seems to care.

I get they're worn down by this point in the story but it just feels so bizarre to see the supposedly real human characters reacting in such an oddly passive way. I'd at least stop talking to him at that point, not just confront him as softly as possible once then move on and forget about it.
 
gaysexenjoyer said:
I get they're worn down by this point in the story but it just feels so bizarre to see the supposedly real human characters reacting in such an oddly passive way. I'd at least stop talking to him at that point, not just confront him as softly as possible once then move on and forget about it.
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I can understand maybe Gangle and Kinger not caring. Kinger doesn't know where he is half the time and Gangle is straight up so depressed that her agreeing that it ultimately didn't matter makes sense.

But Zooble, Pomni and Ragatha not trying to kill him or give him the silent treatment and just moving on from it is just fucking wild to me.

Zooble at least tried to argue with him but backed off when Pomni and Gangle eventually told her to knock it off. Pomni we KNOW has a temper and the fact that she defended Jax is fucking insane.

Hell we know Ragatha can lose her shit from the Baseball episode, so why the fuck didn't she???
 
Lone Star said:
I feel like Jax just became too much of a creator's pet, so Goose drastically backtracked on how awful Jax is meant to be because he sees himself in the bunny twink.
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God Jax pisses me off, not just because he's obnoxious, but because the writer clearly LOVES him and thinks he's way deeper of a character than "lol I'm an asshole, b-but if I don't act like an asshole the other kids will laugh at me!!!" especially when people were celebrating how he's "not like regular tumblr sexymen and is actually an asshole" only to be like any other dickish and childish twink with a lame design who's coddled and favored by the narrative, fitting the mold perfectly.
 
Cave Fisher said:
especially when people were celebrating how he's "not like regular tumblr sexymen and is actually an asshole"
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It would have been more unexpected if Jax actually was just an fucking asshole. But I sadly saw it coming a mile away that he was going to turn out to be sad misunderstood angsty boy. 😢
 
I don’t think it was a “forgive and forget” kinda thing, more a “what you did was absolutely shitty, but sitting here arguing about it isn’t gonna help or solve anything” kinda thing.

At that point, I think they’re just tired of fighting each other, especially when it could easily trigger an abstraction.

Plus he does it to get a rise out of people, so just not taking the bait solves the issue in itself.

The issue is that people see Jax as either “100% irredeemable asshole man” or “poor misunderstood baby man”. He’s treated by the majority of the fandom as one extreme or the other, when he falls somewhere in the middle.
 
Professor Donger said:
Something that I hate, which like I get is part of the whole "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream" Misandry/Nihilists bullshit is when Caine was yelling about how he didn't ask to be created.
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I think that part stems on Caine's guilt for killing his "brother" program
 
Nicholas II of Russia said:
I am kind of puzzled around how Jax was just easily forgiven in Episode 8 of him pushing the button and treating it like not a big deal. Like not only do the writers just let Jax be an asshole who doesn't think about his action for a single second, they literally made the whole cast go with the trope of "Well everyone is kind of a bad person here in the circus so you're our asshole."

And I think this was the big "Only the strongest fans of Jax will forgive him" moment that Gooseworx was talking about to hype up how much people were going to hate him, but the show does not treat it as a big deal, it's the moment where everyone should hate him but it's treated with such kiddy gloves so it doesn't impact as much. I thought the second Jax was on screen they were all going to rip on him from what happened but it was treated as a nothing burger.

Everyone wants to have their own BoJack Horseman without actually having the show and characters treat them as such. You cannot run away bragging about how horrible your OC is and then turn around softening the blow by trying to make them sympathetic or their victims forgiving them easily.
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Millenials want all the praise that comes with writing hashtag relatable flawed mentally ill characters but none of the unconfortableness that should come with it. Even bojack was more likable than intended and the writers had to spell it out over and over.

Modern writers are also too self indulgent and "fandom aware". You can't have your OCs actually be mean to each other or god forbid be problematic or else the fans will eat you alive. The jax and ragatha fans were already fighting each other before and goose knows.

SteelPlatedHeart said:
I don’t think it was a “forgive and forget” kinda thing, more a “what you did was absolutely shitty, but sitting here arguing about it isn’t gonna help or solve anything” kinda thing.

At that point, I think they’re just tired of fighting each other, especially when it could easily trigger an abstraction.

Plus he does it to get a rise out of people, so just not taking the bait solves the issue in itself.

The issue is that people see Jax as either “100% irredeemable asshole man” or “poor misunderstood baby man”. He’s treated by the majority of the fandom as one extreme or the other, when he falls somewhere in the middle.
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I disagree. Gangle going "It doesn't matter, what we need right now... is to be here for each other" followed by pomni saying "We all done bad things" and "we should give up anyway or we'll go crazy" is coward as hell man (and argueably she was defending him).

Imagine if someone said that unironically to bojack sadhorse lol. This is the shit people make fun of shows like steven universe and she-ra, but here it's only excused by the fact that it actually didn't matter.

Gooseworks hyped "the worst thing jax ever done" for so long only to set up so many hoops to soften it. He was panicking, the choice was fake and they even side with jax because the fear of abstraction forces them to suck it up.

I'm not even arguing wether jax is irredemable or misunderstood or something in between, but god, at least let one in-universe character actually be justifiedly mad at him so he's forced to grow as a person (but i guess ragatha calling him out once was too much for this fandom to handle so we can't have that).

Super lazy comparison but the reason Zuko redemption was good was cause everyone called him out and he had to earn it. I don't want Jax's ""development/redemption"" to simply be him crying until everyone hugs him and he realizes he doesn't have to be a jerk anymore.
 
I'm honestly more pissed the cast genuinely fell for the fake console. Caine, their omnipotent conman ringmaster, just happens to have a big fuck off console behind his desk with 2 giant colorful cartoon buttons, and they just happen to give you a once on in a lifetime chance to leave or or stay forever? It's so stupid and contrived that making it a serious point of contention between the characters is impossible.

Also, who was even invested in the escape plot anyway? Genuinely, anyone who actually cared about that please explain why. The outside world is a non-entity in the plot. The characters lives outside have only ever been framed in a negative light, if at all. The show has 8 episodes and not a single one has given us a reason to give a shit these people make it out. When zooble said "I had dreams" and started crying I was on the floor fucking laughing. WHAT DREAMS NIGGA??? You barely have a personality, and now you expect me to believe you have hopes and ambitions? Fucking lmao
 
LucasSomething said:
Imagine if someone said that unironically to bojack sadhorse lol. This is the shit people make fun of shows like steven universe and she-ra, but here it's only excused by the fact that it actually didn't matter.
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I mean, yeah. It didn’t matter. That’s the whole point. All those other characters did a shitty thing to people on the real world. Jax and Co all in some old computer running on Windows 98.

All yelling at him would do would give us another therapy session scene that everyone keeps complaining about. In the characters eyes, the whole “it was a massive fucking fake-outa d we’re stuck in here forever” kinda eclipses Jax hitting the button in a weird panic attack thing, even though they pointed out it was shitty.
 
Lone Star said:
The bunny femboy.
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The bussy hare.
LucasSomething said:
"We all done bad things"
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That line right there was the 'okay, to wrap this plot up I need these characters to work together NOW so move along people, nothing to see here!' Sticks out like a sore thumb because no one else has done anything bad. A couple harsh words at most, from some characters, but that's it.

SteelPlatedHeart said:
All yelling at him would do would give us another therapy session scene that everyone keeps complaining about.
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Thing is, if goose had just placed that scene after Kinger gives them all new hope for escape, the 'let's shelve our hatred for Jax and work together' would've made a billion times more sense and spared us a therapy scene. It also would've been a shockingly human response to the situation.
 
SteelPlatedHeart said:
I mean, yeah. It didn’t matter. That’s the whole point. All those other characters did a shitty thing to people on the real world. Jax and Co all in some old computer running on Windows 98.

All yelling at him would do would give us another therapy session scene that everyone keeps complaining about. In the characters eyes, the whole “it was a massive fucking fake-outa d we’re stuck in here forever” kinda eclipses Jax hitting the button in a weird panic attack thing, even though they pointed out it was shitty.
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>that's the whole point

Pls i don't want another thing i was interested to have a shitty ending and hear ">but themes and such" again. I don't buy this "all characters did shitty thing" excuse, they did nothing to jax and even fi they did, nothing would be comparable to what jax tried to do with them.

This is like being stuck on an island with strangers and you find a boat, and someone blows it up so everyone stays stuck on the island forever and you go "there wasnt any fuel anyway so it didn't matter, lets forget the idea of leaving". I can't believe freaking steven universe actually had this plot and made one person upset with the other.

Even if "it didn't matter" it should've mattered. Jax would've kept them all stuck in this nightmare. He didn't apologize or show any regrets. As far as anyone is aware, he would do it again. Jax is NOT their friend and they have no reason to trust him.

I don't care if punching Jax wouldn't help, to immediately dismiss it with "we just need to be there for each other, no point being angry, you will always be one of us!" is insane. If Ragatha said this exact thing before this chapter it would be portrayed as toxic positivity but now with Jax it's portrayed as a good thing?

And even worse, the whole "we're not letting you wander alone and abstract"; They're basically stuck with the responsibility of keeping this guy on suicide watch lol.

Legalize Asbestos said:
That line right there was the 'okay, to wrap this plot up I need these characters to work together NOW so move along people, nothing to see here!' Sticks out like a sore thumb because no one else has done anything bad. A couple harsh words at most, from some characters, but that's it.
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The whole scene feels rushed. It starts with Zooble saying "HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT AS IF YOU DIDN'T TRY TO FUCK US ALL OVER?!" and literally 2 minutes later she says "We won't let you wander alone so you don't abstract. You're still one of us."

It feels like the show skipped 1-2 episodes of character development between these 2 lines. That's is the line you hear from 2 character who argue often but learn to respect each other. Not from two characters who NEVER had one positive interaction and just found out the would've doomed your group forever if given the chance.
 
I checked the backlog of the thread and not one not ONE FUCKING MENTION of the shit with evil kinger's intro just being the ERBoH Adolf hitler intro.I saw it coming a fucking mile away too when the character intro font things started going too lmao.

I found people DID notice and edit it into he scene though so that's cool.
 
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