The Amazing Digital Circus - Western Isekai that probably will become Hazbin Hotel killer

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LucasSomething said:
I saw this video on the western animation and glitch thread and i think it's worth posting here. It's about hazbin hotel but it applies to glitch.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YklLiolmM_0
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Phenomenal, thunk-provoking, and eye-opening video that truly exposes the real cost of indie animation.

I've expressed my gripes and concerns before about how much of an immense time sink and production cost animation is with very little RoI, but this guy sledgehammered the nail on why animation in today's landscape is simply unprofitable.
It reminds me of how cartoons from the 70s - 80s were specifically designed as toy commercials for kids as a way for companies to skirt around laws regarding product placements in shows for minors, which funnily enough some would consider those periods as the "dark ages" of western animation.

So to see this "cartoons are nothing but commercials to sell you toys" practice once again in current year should really tell you about the current state of animation as a medium.
I really wish we had an answer as to how people should be buying animated shows as a "product", but after years of conditioning niggercattle to watch shit for free via ads, that's a genie we will unfortunately never be able to put back into the bottle.
 
Joe Headroom said:
Imagine the poor soul in the theater who has never heard of TADC and only bought a ticket because of how excited everyone else was to see this movie.
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I would actually love to see someone try to watch this movie with zero knowledge. Going "oh, digital circus? I heard the kids love that and that shark with sneakers haha, i'll check it out" and then it starts on episode 8 out 9 with the cast sitting around talking about jax and caine freaking out and you don't even know these people's names. I know sequels can be difficult to start but i never seen anything like this.

Like, i want to read the professional movie critics who never touched TADC be forced to write reviews about it because it's trendy and would get clicks.

"The Amazing Digital Circus: The Last Act is certainly an amazingly digitally movie. At one point the clown girl puts a bucket on a chess piece head and he starts hacking the matrix and a rabbit man gets so sad it starts breaking reality? I didn't understand anything but at least the animation is very good and i'm sure the i-pad brainrotted kids will love this one. 7/10."

SteelPlatedHeart said:
I saw a theory that since now they can freely swear and everything, the episode would pretty much immediately get demonetized on YouTube, so them, putting it in theaters is sort of a way to counteract the loss of revenue
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It's going to youtube anyway and i think they're trying to pull an iron lung sucess and see how far the can push their audience's good will.

But i admit, the idea that the final episode isn't on youtube because the characters start saying uncensored slurs is more funny so i hope it's true.
 
Goose retweeted an old tweet saying "I just write and direct the show"

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This implies the movie was not goose's idea and they have no choice. I do wonder how much control goose actually has if glitch ever decides to do more TADC content. And if this movie actually suceeds, i get the feeling they will.

Oh yeah, this is the context for the other tweet

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It's unsurprising really. Goose seems to be one of those creators who is very proud and confident in their story so it must suck to know that a lot of fans won't see the movie and be spoiled without context. But it would suck even more if the plot, scenes or even the entire movie leaked which is always possible.

(Unrelated but my small city doesn't even have a cinema lol. I wouldn't be able to see it even if i wanted.)
 
LucasSomething said:
Goose retweeted an old tweet saying "I just write and direct the show"
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This smells of absolute contempt and seethe not everyone is giving him asspats. If he lost it over people criticising the show, you have to wonder what he is saying in private when big accounts (even cody from alternatehistoryhub) is not being positive. I know these studios always shut down any form of criticism and any small issues will barrel into some giant fuck off behind closed doors office politics drama. I don't think this is so much as contempt for losing creative control and more he is just mad that people aren't giving it universal praise.


LucasSomething said:
Goose seems to be one of those creators who is very proud and confident in their story so it must suck to know that a lot of fans won't see the movie and be spoiled without context
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His pride will, always, make him crash out. Hurting one's pride is as easy as merely speaking out of turn about it in places where it is expected to be blindly praised.

EDIT: To add (in regards to the why indie animation isn’t the same as corporate large scale) I also think the issue with animation isn’t just financial as it is cultural. See that Dana Terrace for example continue to draw in the style she does and sticks to the same sort of story beats even when given full creative freedom. It isn’t just her either. One can argue it’s what the institutions teach you but they teach a lot of people calarts now. These universities feed into these larger studios. Think about what these people grew up on, which is Disney. It’ll be a bit but to not harp on too much, it is merely monkey see monkey do. When everyone grows up on Disney all you will get via cultural output is Disney.
 
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Colon capital V said:
So to see this "cartoons are nothing but commercials to sell you toys" practice once again in current year should really tell you about the current state of animation as a medium.
I really wish we had an answer as to how people should be buying animated shows as a "product", but after years of conditioning niggercattle to watch shit for free via ads, that's a genie we will unfortunately never be able to put back into the bottle.
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I haven't watched the video, but does it mention anime at all?

Asking because I keep seeing how this medium is unviable or that format is impossible to profit from, and I don't buy it. Largely because technology makes things faster, cheaper, and higher quality, but I people keep pointing to shit and claiming that because it's not making money the medium is doomed.

Just off the top of my head.
  • Magazines. The supermarket has racks of the fuckers.
  • Video Games. Bloated budgets on shit no one wants.
  • Movies. Same as video games.
  • Comics. Over a decade of fleecing the audience with crossovers, continuity, resets, variant covers, and shit writing.
  • Novels. Aggressive gatekeeping for political reasons has resulted in over a decade of so much shit that it's not worth wading through to find the quality. Book shops still exist despite claims that the medium is dead.
 
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Yeah these mofos never making it out of the circus

At least the whole 'Jax worst moment' thing might not just be him being cringe in the gun episode after all.
 
Judge Dredd said:
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It's more lucrative, but I still see it plauged with the same problems that makes its industry "profitable". Figurines, goonslop, fanservice, etc.
Judge Dredd said:
Largely because technology makes things faster, cheaper, and higher quality, but I people keep pointing to shit and claiming that because it's not making money the medium is doomed.
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He did address this in a previous video, in that while tech has made making art more accessible, "adding 9 women in a room won't make a baby come out faster" as he puts it, among other reasons for the bleeding costs of cartoon making.
 
The Great One said:
When they got funded by the australian government, the japanese business people with their store and restaurant, tim sweeney and epic games when they were making the show with tari, pushing their merch into stores like walmart, hot topic, gamestop, fye, shall I go on.
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So merchandising makes something not indie?
 
Kalsarikännit said:
yeah but I havent' seen any explanation about *why* this would be done. That's what I was referring to.
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Considering that these anomalies are on the edges, my guess is that the person who posted it didn't have (or want) an editor so they just cropped the original movie poster and asked the AI to add the plain looking "Circo Digital" title to it, and the AI just added this extra shit when trying to fit things in frame. Then they sent it out because it looked good enough from a glance, and they didn't remove the extra stuff because they still didn't have an editor and/or they just didn't care enough.

That's just the feeling I get from it.
 
MultiplyerX10 said:
Considering that these anomalies are on the edges, my guess is that the person who posted it didn't have (or want) an editor so they just cropped the original movie poster and asked the AI to add the plain looking "Circo Digital" title to it, and the AI just added this extra shit when trying to fit things in frame. Then they sent it out because it looked good enough from a glance, and they didn't remove the extra stuff because they still didn't have an editor and/or they just didn't care enough.

That's just the feeling I get from it.
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It'd be funny if those glitches actually do show up in the movie somehow for like a hallucination or some shit o algo
 
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