Temtems - A Failed Attempt At A Pokeclone

[MysticMisty]

So... Basically pokemon red if you picked Charmander? lol.

That was me. Everyone in my class said I made the dumb choice. Later they were impressed I had Pokemon like Butterfree and Gyrados.

They fixed it in Yellow, You can get a Mankey earlier to defeat the first gym with fighting moves.

Don't forget Iron Claw in fire red/leaf green.

And Nidoran could learn double kick early.

Those help, but it's also perfectly possible to do it using Butterfree's Confusion.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

I made the same mistake picking Charmander since I had the mentality of that picking the hard one would have long term benefits in the end, sadly it wasn't the case since Venusaur was the best one of the three. :/

 

[Disc]

Yeah, there's dozens of things to better criticise the game over than pronouns.

Like the fact that the pronouns don't work a lot of the time and the game often assumes you are male.

I can only hope that's because the game's not set to recognise the player's gender variable, and NOT because the variable isn't set in the first place.

Is HEARTBEAT transphobic? I never really got that impression. Like, speaking as someone who's played both, Heartbeat is secretly like the gayest (read: highest number of LGBT characters) game I think I've played, but it's relatively subtle about it (basically, being a 'summoner' requires being gay, iirc., but you really have to piece that together and the game doesn't make a big deal out of it). It's also got a battle system that isn't just 'Pokemon but with less' and isn't just 'RPG Maker Raw' either. The Mogwai from Heartbeat are a furry's wet dream but they're actually really cool. Really, the biggest criticism I have about Heartbeat is that the call the party leader a Combat Summoner... but they're the only combat summoner in at least the first half of the game and they can't 'summon' until postgame.

Have some Heartbeat Music:

 

[Witthel]

Is HEARTBEAT transphobic? I never really got that impression. Like, speaking as someone who's played both, Heartbeat is secretly like the gayest (read: highest number of LGBT characters) game I think I've played, but it's relatively subtle about it (basically, being a 'summoner' requires being gay, iirc., but you really have to piece that together and the game doesn't make a big deal out of it). It's also got a battle system that isn't just 'Pokemon but with less' and isn't just 'RPG Maker Raw' either. The Mogwai from Heartbeat are a furry's wet dream but they're actually really cool. Really, the biggest criticism I have about Heartbeat is that the call the party leader a Combat Summoner... but they're the only combat summoner in at least the first half of the game and they can't 'summon' until postgame.

Have some Heartbeat Music:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7y_KDD3qHtw

The "HEARTBEAT is transphobic" shit actually came from some tweets that the lead dev's girlfriend made that rustled trannies's jimmies instead of the game itself.

EDIT: And there was also the whole -41% discount off the game's bundle after the initial backlash.

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

I came across this tweet yesterday. If that's not one of those Twitter hot takes then I don't know what it is.

Tweet / Archive 1 / Archive 2

I also gathered a bunch of screenshots, those mostly includes angry customers who couldn't get a refund after buying the unfinished game. Note that some of them couldn't even play the game.

Tweet / Archive

Tweet / Archive

Tweet / Archive

Also take a look at those rules on their Discord server.

Notice that some people got permanently banned from the Discord server even though they should have been muted since it's supposed to be the first time they broke the unwritten rules of not asking for refunds or for other dumb shit.

Tweet / Archive

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Can't wait to see how much of a mess this game is in a few months. It's rare to improve without taking criticism. If someone said this was autistic performance art, I'd believe them.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

Is HEARTBEAT transphobic? I never really got that impression. Like, speaking as someone who's played both, Heartbeat is secretly like the gayest (read: highest number of LGBT characters) game I think I've played, but it's relatively subtle about it (basically, being a 'summoner' requires being gay, iirc., but you really have to piece that together and the game doesn't make a big deal out of it). It's also got a battle system that isn't just 'Pokemon but with less' and isn't just 'RPG Maker Raw' either. The Mogwai from Heartbeat are a furry's wet dream but they're actually really cool. Really, the biggest criticism I have about Heartbeat is that the call the party leader a Combat Summoner... but they're the only combat summoner in at least the first half of the game and they can't 'summon' until postgame.

The "HEARTBEAT is transphobic" shit actually came from some tweets that the lead dev's girlfriend made that rustled trannies's jimmies instead of the game itself.

EDIT: And there was also the whole -41% discount off the game's bundle after the initial backlash.

Sounds to me that some troons need to get a grip. Who cares if the Developer's girlfriend said some supposedly transphobic stuff? It's not the developer's opinion and even if he did agree with her on it, ever heard of "separating the art from the artist"? They did it with Markuss and Minecraft.

 

[OddEyes]

I came across this tweet yesterday. If that's not one of those Twitter hot takes then I don't know what it is.

Tweet / Archive 1 / Archive 2

Oh boy, Distant Kingdom smelling his own farts?

Calling pokemon fans zombies?

SHock of all shocks.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Oh boy, Distant Kingdom smelling his own farts?

Calling pokemon fans zombies?

SHock of all shocks.

Devoid of personal context, he’s not wrong. Other publishers would KILL to be able to release two near-identical full-cost games, and then get PRAISED for releasing 30 dollar DLC’s for those games instead of re-releasing them at full price a year later with minimal changes.

also, does Temtem have micro transactions/premium currency? I don’t think I’ve heard anything about it, which raises questions of how they plan on keeping a revenue flow as an MMO that actually has ongoing running costs.

 

[OddEyes]

Devoid of personal context, he’s not wrong. Other publishers would KILL to be able to release two near-identical full-cost games, and then get PRAISED for releasing 30 dollar DLC’s for those games instead of re-releasing them at full price a year later with minimal changes.

also, does Temtem have micro transactions/premium currency? I don’t think I’ve heard anything about it, which raises questions of how they plan on keeping a revenue flow as an MMO that actually has ongoing running costs.

First off, that context is kinda necessary - Especially considering that most other Publishers don't have the same things that pokemon has - Years long dedication, extremely marketable characters, capturing people's childhoods - There's a lot more nuance to that.

And by the way, Temtem has already confirmed that they'll be having an actual cash shop - They said that it'd only be cosmetics, but considering that they were willing to sell Lumas (the shinies in the game) to their backers to get them to sign up - 350 for one and 700 for all three starters - I wouldn't be surprised if they do that.

 

[InvertedDickEnthusiast]

I don't actually give a shit about the pronouns, but it's clear they haven't actually implemented NPCs to recognize them.

 

[Disc]

Distant kingdom, if you have such a hateboner for Sw/Sh why are you STILL using a SwSh pokemon for an avatar? Pick a Temtem you like and go with it.

What’s more pathetic - people defending a game out of brand loyalty, or people ‘defecting’ from the brand only to loudly proclaim they’re supporting an even crappier knockoff, and defending it even harder?

Pokémon owns a monopoly in its space because it’s built up an array of quality of life features and Pokémon, to the point that newcomers can’t even meet half the monster quota of what Pokémon does in a ‘bad’ game. Hell, I’d actually argue that reducing the dex made completing it a lot less daunting, which means for a lot of people - myself included - it’s the first time we completed it. And besides, if SwSh had released with the full dex, these people would be still complaining about how cumbersome the whole thing is.

One thing I noted was that previously Temtem’s discord allowed reactions on Announcement posts. That’s no longer the case. I suspect Crystal Skates were the issue.

It’s strange how the Temtem team seems a lot less enthused by the idea of listening to feedback now that they’re out of their sunken cost Kickstarter bubble.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

Pokémon owns a monopoly in its space because it’s built up an array of quality of life features and Pokémon, to the point that newcomers can’t even meet half the monster quota of what Pokémon does in a ‘bad’ game. Hell, I’d actually argue that reducing the dex made completing it a lot less daunting, which means for a lot of people - myself included - it’s the first time we completed it. And besides, if SwSh had released with the full dex, these people would be still complaining about how cumbersome the whole thing is.

I still don't understand this logic. Last gen already did this with the dex being shortened to only register mons native to the region in question, so it was a perfect middle ground for more "semi-casual" players who wanted to complete the dex without having to get nearly a thousand critters, and those that want access to everything.

Not to mention if they update the dex for the 200-odd returning mons, that makes this whole argument utterly moot.

 

[Disc]

I still don't understand this logic. Last gen already did this with the dex being shortened to only register mons native to the region in question, so it was a perfect middle ground for more "semi-casual" players who wanted to complete the dex without having to get nearly a thousand critters, and those that want access to everything.

Not to mention if they update the dex for the 200-odd returning mons, that makes this whole argument utterly moot.

Fair point, but it didn't... feel like it was shortened? The dex as in 'the database of little entries' was shorter, but that didn't mean the total number of pokemon was. Especially as a lot of those out-of-dex pokemon were obtainable in game.

Not to mention that the dex points out areas with a lot of uncaught Pokemon, which meant I spent less time ass-deep in the dex entries going 'okay, does this thing have one evolution or two? Do I need to grab something else from this area?' I've already mentioned I vastly prefer the Link code system to the GTS (though I can understand people prefer the gts' set-and-forget nature) so maybe that was a factor too.

As for the update, it still let me complete the dex relatively easily in the first set before I even have to look at the others. Iunno. So take it as a combination of streamlined features I prefer, the difference between 'full dex' and 'the dex we have entries for' not feeling like a significant difference, and general compartmentalizing.

Edit:

General statistics continue to show that Temtem is already losing relevance.

One example: The difference in chat speed between Temtem, an mmorpg not even a fortnight old, and Dragalia Lost's Reddit Discord, a year-old nintendo gacha game you probably haven't heard of:

Not to mention Dragalia has wayyyyy more chats than Temtem does. So the game's losing to a friggin' gacha.

Another example: It seems like the American sunday afternoon is peak weekly temtem. Here's this week and last week's peak:

The game's lost just over 30% of it's players peak-to-peak - and it's not like it's facing some hot new competition.

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

Tweet / Archive

I enjoy shitting on Temtem as much as the next guy, but this guy digging through the code in hopes of finding "problematic" filenames or variables is pretty dumb. They probably changed their mind but didn't want to rename a bunch of shit that the player won't ever see anyway, who cares? Banning is an overreaction, but I can't say I feel sorry for him.

 

[UtadaWasabi]

Fair point, but it didn't... feel like it was shortened? The dex as in 'the database of little entries' was shorter, but that didn't mean the total number of pokemon was. Especially as a lot of those out-of-dex pokemon were obtainable in game.

Not to mention that the dex points out areas with a lot of uncaught Pokemon, which meant I spent less time ass-deep in the dex entries going 'okay, does this thing have one evolution or two? Do I need to grab something else from this area?' I've already mentioned I vastly prefer the Link code system to the GTS (though I can understand people prefer the gts' set-and-forget nature) so maybe that was a factor too.

As for the update, it still let me complete the dex relatively easily in the first set before I even have to look at the others. Iunno. So take it as a combination of streamlined features I prefer, the difference between 'full dex' and 'the dex we have entries for' not feeling like a significant difference, and general compartmentalizing.

Edit:

General statistics continue to show that Temtem is already losing relevance.

One example: The difference in chat speed between Temtem, an mmorpg not even a fortnight old, and Dragalia Lost's Reddit Discord, a year-old nintendo gacha game you probably haven't heard of:
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Not to mention Dragalia has wayyyyy more chats than Temtem does. So the game's losing to a friggin' gacha.

Another example: It seems like the American sunday afternoon is peak weekly temtem. Here's this week and last week's peak:
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The game's lost just over 30% of it's players peak-to-peak - and it's not like it's facing some hot new competition.

Dragalia.....won?

 

[Marissa Moira]

I enjoy shitting on Temtem as much as the next guy, but this guy digging through the code in hopes of finding "problematic" filenames or variables is pretty dumb. They probably changed their mind but didn't want to rename a bunch of shit that the player won't ever see anyway, who cares? Banning is an overreaction, but I can't say I feel sorry for him.

Crash Bandicoot Enemy File names, look them up.

 

[Rivalo]

They're gloating that they've banned 900 players (Archive), and that they refuse to look at any appeals now.

As you might expect, the fanbase is cheering for their high horse.

Spoiler

Thankfully some people can see the elephant in the room with this.

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Then I noticed this guy. He replied twice to this, and I've seen him occasionally when it comes to Temtem stuff.


Seems he's even boasting about the ban stuff on his stream title. Then I noticed his latest streams...


He hasn't played anything BUT Temtem for the past 2 weeks, and he seems to be a variety streamer, though you'd think otherwise after seeing that second image, that one stream where the game seemed to be down had him play two games for only an hour each before he wasted 9 more hours on Temtem. Seems like a proper shill for this shit game.

 

[Gar For Archer]

I enjoy shitting on Temtem as much as the next guy, but this guy digging through the code in hopes of finding "problematic" filenames or variables is pretty dumb. They probably changed their mind but didn't want to rename a bunch of shit that the player won't ever see anyway, who cares? Banning is an overreaction, but I can't say I feel sorry for him.

I thought it was supposed to point out the pronoun shit is just shallow woke posturing that even they don’t legitimately buy into. Nobody will ever look at your average non-passing tranny with an obviously male physique and ever think of them as a true and honest woman.

 

[Houchic]

The game itself has a lot of potential and I also spend a lot of time on it. I did not have any problems myself, but what I read today about the exploits of developers on Facebook and in this thread (this thread is much richer than all the Facebook groups I am in) is a lot of fear. I adhere to the principle that if something is not prohibited, it is allowed. Vulgar words are not allowed, but if you write the lowercase L (l) instead of the letters "i", this is another word. Technically, these are two different words, and now I'm afraid I won't lose all my temtems and pansuns