Team Four Star - Creators of a bunch of stuff to make people laugh trying to figure out what to do after a decade of comedically retelling Dragon Ball Z.

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On the other hand however Kaiser most likely wouldn't be able to resist yaoi Goten and Trunks, Masakox despises the Spovivich vs Videl fight and I imagine their take on it could be really unfunny, poking fun at the flaws of the Buu Saga could easily become unfunny like with the Waking the Dragons arc of Yugioh Abridged where Little Kurbioh got way too reliant on the "Season 4 is dumb" jokes.
And just like that, I'm glad it never happened.
 
I'm just curious. Why does Masakox hate the Spopavich/Videl fight?

Videl was his waifu when he first watched DBZ

Funnily enough I don't know if there's anytime he goes into depth about it, whenever he brings it up it's mostly in passing.

But if I had to guess, that fight gets criticized online for being misogynistic and going too far in terms of how much Videl gets beaten up so I imagine it's probably something along those lines.
 
Videl was his waifu when he first watched DBZ

Funnily enough I don't know if there's anytime he goes into depth about it, whenever he brings it up it's mostly in passing.

But if I had to guess, that fight gets criticized online for being misogynistic and going too far in terms of how much Videl gets beaten up so I imagine it's probably something along those lines.
But the point of that fight was to show that babidis magic really beefed up people and the guy was truly going to brutalize whoever he fought, it was just unfortunate that it was videl. It was just videl because they needed a side character that could realistically get their ass handed to them without much consequence to the overall plot.
 
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Seriously? I just remember Goku coming back after the Cell saga pushed Gohan into the lead of the series because reasons. (and now Devil May Cry could do the same shit). All I know is that Dragon Ball was a lot simpler than Z. And some could argue that Super tried (keyword: tried) to address some of the things that made Dragon Ball into some sort of joke in the anime community.
It did tho. It started as a gag adventure manga. Hell, the move names are the best example to that. You go from Galick Gun to Hellzone Grenade. The show became more serious & lost the gag aspect for a while.

Issue is, the Buu saga is going through whiplashes of tonal shifts to the point where it has the issue GT had (despite being great in places).
I'm just curious. Why does Masakox hate the Spopavich/Videl fight?
Most DB fans have this issue. They can't see the sheer brutality of that fight (the manga is even more gorey than this btw, (There's literally a dead kid in a panel in the Buu massacre).

Some of it also comes from "seeing this tomboy cutie we loved to see getting fucking trashed by some rando retard on steroids" does catch off-guard, tho this is also part of the surprise whiplash I'm talking about. (I loved it as a kid tbh). Tho one thing I would say about it is. It was much better in the anime. IIRC, he was a bitch in the manga going the "No DoNt HuRt HeR" & kinda started crying..

However, in MasakoX's case, I have a slight feeling even the slightest of gore could make him go eek.
 
But the point of that fight was to show that babidis magic really beefed up people and the guy was truly going to brutalize whoever he fought, it was just unfortunate that it was videl. It was just videl because they needed a side character that could realistically get their ass handed to them without much consequence to the overall plot.

Yeah it makes alot of sense and does a goodjob in building up Vegeta going Majin for the powerboost.

People just can't seem to get past it because Videl's a chick (I personally think the Recoome vs Gohan fight is worse because it's a five year old getting his neck snapped)
 
Yeah it makes alot of sense and does a goodjob in building up Vegeta going Majin for the powerboost.

People just can't seem to get past it because Videl's a chick (I personally think the Recoome vs Gohan fight is worse because it's a five year old getting his neck snapped)
There's an annoying trend of western anime viewers to bitch about lack of chicks fighting, only to bitch even louder when the chicks gets the level of brutalizing the male characters routinely get.

On the other hand however Kaiser most likely wouldn't be able to resist yaoi Goten and Trunks,
I 100% believe they would have gone into that rabbithole.
 
Yeah it makes alot of sense and does a goodjob in building up Vegeta going Majin for the powerboost.

People just can't seem to get past it because Videl's a chick (I personally think the Recoome vs Gohan fight is worse because it's a five year old getting his neck snapped)
I think people often forget the Gohan fight because it was in the midst of the whole Ginyu Force Battle while with Videl it's basically the only memorable thing of the whole tournament section.
 
Not sure where else to post this but I might as well post it here. Apologies if this is off-topic but it's been bugging me for a while.

Why aren't Abridged Series videos considered fair use? They're pretty obviously meant as a parody and isn't that considered fair use? I know that's a retarded and autistic question to ask, but I'm actually legit stumped on this one.

Parody is one of the few things that's still explicitly seen as fair use even in today's copyright landscape and always has been. I get why MST3K and Rifftrax aren't considered fair use, since that's just the original movies but with some guys cracking jokes or making dumb commentary.

But redubbing the entire dialogue in a fairly obviously joking sort of way would be a parody, wouldn't it?

I get that American copyright laws are especially draconian but even then, it's pretty obvious that a lot of these videos are meant as parody and in most cases, the people making them are pretty much doing it for free.

Weird Al only asks permission for his music parodies out of a sense of courtesy, legally he can do them without a license or permission.

Is it because of the fact that guys like Team Four Star are still using the original names of the characters and places? Then again, Robot Chicken pretty much does the same thing with copyrighted characters and IP's as parody and it's considered fair use (which is why they have the disclaimer at every episode)

Would someone just going full Ghost Stories and making a cut-and-paste gag dub totally unrelated to the source material be covered under fair use?
 
Not sure where else to post this but I might as well post it here. Apologies if this is off-topic but it's been bugging me for a while.

Why aren't Abridged Series videos considered fair use? They're pretty obviously meant as a parody and isn't that considered fair use? I know that's a retarded and autistic question to ask, but I'm actually legit stumped on this one.

Parody is one of the few things that's still explicitly seen as fair use even in today's copyright landscape and always has been. I get why MST3K and Rifftrax aren't considered fair use, since that's just the original movies but with some guys cracking jokes or making dumb commentary.

But redubbing the entire dialogue in a fairly obviously joking sort of way would be a parody, wouldn't it?

I get that American copyright laws are especially draconian but even then, it's pretty obvious that a lot of these videos are meant as parody and in most cases, the people making them are pretty much doing it for free.

Weird Al only asks permission for his music parodies out of a sense of courtesy, legally he can do them without a license or permission.

Is it because of the fact that guys like Team Four Star are still using the original names of the characters and places? Then again, Robot Chicken pretty much does the same thing with copyrighted characters and IP's as parody and it's considered fair use (which is why they have the disclaimer at every episode)

Would someone just going full Ghost Stories and making a cut-and-paste gag dub totally unrelated to the source material be covered under fair use?
It's largely because Japan has different copyright & fair use laws than America does (let alone cultural differences regarding parody), thus TOEI sees through that lens.
You never saw Funimation sic Evan Stone on TFS, right?
It's mostly been TOEI.
 
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Not sure where else to post this but I might as well post it here. Apologies if this is off-topic but it's been bugging me for a while.

Why aren't Abridged Series videos considered fair use? They're pretty obviously meant as a parody and isn't that considered fair use? I know that's a retarded and autistic question to ask, but I'm actually legit stumped on this one.

Parody is one of the few things that's still explicitly seen as fair use even in today's copyright landscape and always has been. I get why MST3K and Rifftrax aren't considered fair use, since that's just the original movies but with some guys cracking jokes or making dumb commentary.

But redubbing the entire dialogue in a fairly obviously joking sort of way would be a parody, wouldn't it?

I get that American copyright laws are especially draconian but even then, it's pretty obvious that a lot of these videos are meant as parody and in most cases, the people making them are pretty much doing it for free.

Weird Al only asks permission for his music parodies out of a sense of courtesy, legally he can do them without a license or permission.

Is it because of the fact that guys like Team Four Star are still using the original names of the characters and places? Then again, Robot Chicken pretty much does the same thing with copyrighted characters and IP's as parody and it's considered fair use (which is why they have the disclaimer at every episode)

Would someone just going full Ghost Stories and making a cut-and-paste gag dub totally unrelated to the source material be covered under fair use?
Most of it is because Toei are petty, thin skinned fuckers who don't understand how the Internet works. And TFS makes their own DBZA merch.
 
Videl was his waifu when he first watched DBZ

Funnily enough I don't know if there's anytime he goes into depth about it, whenever he brings it up it's mostly in passing.

But if I had to guess, that fight gets criticized online for being misogynistic and going too far in terms of how much Videl gets beaten up so I imagine it's probably something along those lines.

Again, it goes into the points I always make:

1) If you want equality between the sexes, then the female characters have to be subject to the same brutality that the male characters are. By maintaining that standard of treating the women with kid gloves, it comes off as demeaning rather than the equality they preach about.

2) Bad guys are bad and do bad things that make us not like them as bad guys. Spopovich beat up Videl, we like Videl, ergo, we hate him and anyone he works for. I don't know why this is such a hard concept for fans to grasp.
 
2) Bad guys are bad and do bad things that make us not like them as bad guys. Spopovich beat up Videl, we like Videl, ergo, we hate him and anyone he works for. I don't know why this is such a hard concept for fans to grasp.
because bad thing make me feel not good, ban bad thing so i only feel good.
 
Would someone just going full Ghost Stories and making a cut-and-paste gag dub totally unrelated to the source material be covered under fair use?
The problem with this argument is that the Japanese studio had a flop on their hands domestically, so they basically said "here, see if you can do any better" when they made the deal for the English dub.

What you really mean is Samurai Pizza Cats.
 
Again, it goes into the points I always make:

1) If you want equality between the sexes, then the female characters have to be subject to the same brutality that the male characters are. By maintaining that standard of treating the women with kid gloves, it comes off as demeaning rather than the equality they preach about.
It's been a long time since I've seen it but my issues with is it goes on too long (according to youtube the whole fight is almost 8 minutes out of a 22 minute episode and that's with the reaction shots edited out) and the tonal whiplash when compared to the rest of the saga. An episode or two before Krillin comically smacks a large fat dude out of the ring and an episode or two later Goku, Gohan and Vegeta are playing rock paper scissors to determine who goes first.

We can tolerate seeing Vegeta or Goku getting the shit beat out of them because we know that even if they're being pounded into the dirt that they could still blow up the planet and probably a few more in one blast if they sneezed the wrong way and even when they're losing they are still zipping around, shooting useless ki blasts, and yelling. At this point Videl has barely formed her ki and just learned how to fly. It's like putting a kid with their learner's permit in a race with a dude whose car has been modded into a monster truck expecting it to be fair and then we watch the monster truck just flatten the kid in the VW Bug for ten minutes.

edit: she could've said she forfeit but doesn't so there's that I guess
 
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The lack of Kaiser and Lani in their latest DBcember video reminds me of back during their video game countdown where they admit that they've never played two of the entries and only put them so high on the list because Kirran wanted them there.
It's funny how the video done by the guy who has had almost no input on DBZA was the most heartfelt and well-elaborated out of all of them. Hearing Kirran or even Grant talk about DBZ and then hearing Kaiser or Lani talk about it, you get the sense the actual core group kind of resent the series for making them popular. In the Kakarot LP you could tell how annoyed Kaiser and Lani were while playing it and how much they just wanted to slog through the whole thing as fast as they could. But then there was a different stream like a week or two later that Kirran was on and there was a whole bit with him sperging out about how cool the game was and seeing that contrast made you feel that DBZA still might be thing if it was still a labor of love for the people actually involved..

I also think it's interesting how Taka got replaced in these countdowns like 2 or 3 years ago. I wonder if there's behind the scenes drama shit going on there and if it contributed to DBZA ending.
 
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