Team Four Star - Creators of a bunch of stuff to make people laugh trying to figure out what to do after a decade of comedically retelling Dragon Ball Z.

[Fougaro]

Nope. That's the whole "repeat sth until you actually believe it to be true" being in effect.

The movie does have a really shitty way of presenting the flashback, the first half of which is the one where baby Goku is crying loudly and the 2 dudes are shittalking baby Broly for being scared, and this is accompanied with Broly visibly seething at Goku in the present for some reason. He looks like he's out for Goku and even attacks him at night too.

Then they show the second half a bit later baby stab and all then it's like, why the fuck was Broly angry at Goku when it's actually the suppresed power surging via a memory trigger and Broly trying to break free from Paragus' retardation headband? The moment he transforms and starts acting like a person he no longer gives a particular shit about Goku, until he gets killed by him. Then it ends on cryingbaby.jpg as he blows up lol.

It's a pretty clear joke to make at the expense of Broly. Y'know, like the Goku is a bad parent stuff. But that's all it is, a joke, it's not what actually happens, and people either forgot or never knew that to begin with. Again, ty TFS. Loudest voice gets parroted.

Broly got Funi dubbed around '06, maybe a bit earlier I think, which is why I said it, it's a window of time I'm not quite sure of actually. Sans dates, I remember it was like a period when Funi dubbed vanilla DB and the movies were getting dubbed, and people were making and uploading AMVs and shit. The seething at Broly coincided with people who wanted to sperg about DB being great(muh characturs/creative genius/powerlvls dumb, same arguments back then too) being overshadowed by ppl liking and talking about Z movies, GT and shit. I assume all that would've happened around the time it got dubbed.

I don't know how you internalised 'people believing their own bs' = 'conspiracy to ruin broccoli".

I will definitely have to rewatch the OG Broly movie again after 15+ years. The way you put it, the plot and the writing sound now slightly less retarded than I remember, but it's still a narrative mess. As dumb as it was I can't be too mad at it for having Pantera.

Y'know, like the Goku is a bad parent stuff.

The Goku being a bad father meme is actually interesting. While him giving Cell a Senzu was an absolute WTF moment, I think Goku did for most part a solid job for never having a proper father figure himself.

Edit:

I still laugh whenever I hear Lani's Vegeta voice. It makes me smile.

Aside from the ones listed in the OP, TFS dropped other excuses for not doing Buu. The characters are too different, story too dark, etc. The problem isn't the Buu Saga itself because so much is ripe for parody: the way it treats deaths even more arbitrarily than at any other point in the series, how Goku acts so casual about Buu wiping out the human race after Babidi dies, because it's all part of a grand master plan and who cares because Dragon Balls. The Namekians deus ex machina an upgrade to make the grand finale wishes work perfect. The Buu Saga offers plenty to work with.

The problem is that after their Frieza Saga, TFS stopped doing a quick and dirty 'abridged' parody and wanted to make their own dub. They got too preoccupied preserving fights instead of picking on them (the 17/Piccolo/Hellzone Grenade is a recurring puzzle piece throughout their videos, podcasts and LPs.) It was inevitable Toei would threaten them. And yes, Kaiser is a weeaboo sadbrains.

That said, there are too many good memories to condemn TFS for their latter day sins.

As I said more or less somewhere else, I don't have any animosities towards Team For Star nor do I feel any schadenfreude, but the moment they took what was essentially Dragon Ball shitposting too seriously was pretty much the beginning of the end.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Went to the Dragon Ball wiki, and I found this:

Broly's most defining trait is his intense hatred for Goku. While both were newborns, Goku's relentless crying greatly irritated the nearby Broly, sparking the hatred which would grow sub-consciously in his early life and awaken upon seeing Goku again. It is implied that the reason behind his hatred for Goku is because he subconsciously associated Goku's incessant crying with the horrific things he had to endure later on such as narrowly surviving the execution and barely escaping Planet Vegeta's destruction, and thus blamed Goku for these things. While under mind-control, and later when his insanity has set in, he often shouts Goku's Saiyan name, "Kakarot", in an exclamatory way. Although he generally addresses Goku by his Saiyan name, he has referred to him by his Earth name twice, both times during their fight on New Planet Vegeta (at least in the English dub). Despite his hatred of Goku, however, the Japanese version of Movie 8 implies that he at least respects Goku's resolve to try and stop him regardless of the low odds of doing so, due to calling him and the other Z-Fighters "worthy of their Saiyan blood." Although not to the same extent as Goku, it is implied that Broly has a similar low opinion of Vegeta, as in the Japanese version when Vegeta regains enough of his bravado to try and attack Broly, the latter coldly states he has no intention of letting Vegeta have an easy kill against him.

By the events of his second movie, his defeat at Goku's hands as well as his severe injuries results in him totally losing his sanity. His speech is now limited to uttering "Kakarot" (except for one rare exception) and he has a diminished sense of reality, as he mistakes Goten for a baby Goku even though he already encountered Goku as an adult seven years prior, and also mistook Gohan for an adult Goku. Xenoverse 2 implies that another reason for his mistaking them for Goku was because they carried a similar scent to him. The only aspect of his mind that seems intact is his sadistic desire for revenge against Goku. It is implied in Bio-Broly that his hatred for Goku is so great that it has become ingrained in him to the genetic level as his clone Bio-Broly seemingly inherited his hatred and habit of saying "Kakarot!", indicating he passed it on to his clone through some form of genetic memory.

 

[capitalBBustard]

I will definitely have to rewatch the OG Broly movie again after 15+ years. The way you put it, the plot and the writing sound now slightly less retarded than I remember, but it's still a narrative mess. As dumb as it was I can't be too mad at it for having Pantera.

The Goku being a bad father meme is actually interesting. While him giving Cell a Senzu was an absolute WTF moment, I think Goku did for most part a solid job for never having a proper father figure himself.

It's less retarded but only to the level of every other Z movie under scrutiny. I think Paragus gives 3 different explanations for why Broly is nuts. It's not a good watch, it's like 70 minutes instead of the usual 40-50 for Z movies, so there is a lot more stuff that goes nowhere or feels like it didn't need to exist.

He spent like 5 solid years with Gohan and Chichi before dropping dead the first time. He fine. Healing Cell was an earnest mistake based on Goku's flaw in thinking his son had the same mentality as him, the only instance where Goku didn't default to 'good father' (despite whatever he may do) in the plot. Actually a neat bit of character writing for both Gohan and Goku. And he pretty clearly atoned for that blunder, explosively.

Went to the Dragon Ball wiki, and I found this:

While both were newborns, Goku's relentless crying greatly irritated the nearby Broly, sparking the hatred which would grow sub-consciously in his early life and awaken upon seeing Goku again. It is implied that the reason behind his hatred for Goku is because he subconsciously associated Goku's incessant crying with the horrific things he had to endure later on such as narrowly surviving the execution and barely escaping Planet Vegeta's destruction, and thus blamed Goku for these things.

Lol. Here's it rewritten based purely on what happens in the movie.

'Goku cried and that agitated Broly while they were next to eachothers cribs. Broly later got stabbed and thrown in a dumpster, then his powers awakened when the planet was blowing up. The image of Goku is associated with the trauma so Broly's power awakens when he sees him again.'

You can see how the basic plot is actively retrofited in service of the meme baby revenge explanation.

The problem is that after their Frieza Saga, TFS stopped doing a quick and dirty 'abridged' parody and wanted to make their own dub. They got too preoccupied preserving fights instead of picking on them (the 17/Piccolo/Hellzone Grenade is a recurring puzzle piece throughout their videos, podcasts and LPs.) It was inevitable Toei would threaten them. And yes, Kaiser is a weeaboo sadbrains.

Not just the fights but they actively started to try and preserve the 'seriousness' in the more dramatic moments resulting in basically fandub shit. They started to miss the point of their own shit.

 

[Allanon]

I may deserve the hats for this tbh, but I loathe that "OG Broly bad" circlejerk more than I hate the "Bad Dad Goku" thing (at least that one has some base to it) . Kaiser & Lani's retarded hate towards it created a big circlejerk against that film & OG Broly.

BROLY BAD is as dumb as BROLY STRONGEST THERE IS!!! he's just an unimportant filler villain like every other movie villain. The only difference is the endless wank fighting over Broly eventually compelled Super to introduce Broly 2.0 in the form of Kale - that made a bit more sense than the original - and then eventually just overhaul Broly completely in the canon movie. As mentioned, I can't remember who in TFS actually liked Broly, but whoever they were, that's why it came out in a more vaguely balanced version, not some kind of Garlic Jr or Ikarus thing, like what they do with what they hate.

I will definitely have to rewatch the OG Broly movie again after 15+ years. The way you put it, the plot and the writing sound now slightly less retarded than I remember, but it's still a narrative mess. As dumb as it was I can't be too mad at it for having Pantera.

The Goku being a bad father meme is actually interesting. While him giving Cell a Senzu was an absolute WTF moment, I think Goku did for most part a solid job for never having a proper father figure himself.

Edit:

As I said more or less somewhere else, I don't have any animosities towards Team For Star nor do I feel any schadenfreude, but the moment they took what was essentially Dragon Ball shitposting too seriously was pretty much the beginning of the end.

Honestly, I've never bought the 'Goku is a bad father' thing, though Super tried to bring that into canon more (the manga more than the anime). He was an absentee father, but it wasn't really his fault, and giving Cell the senzu bean seems wtf on the surface, but when you consider his thought process of "I assume my son is just like me" he's not being cruel or even thoughtless, he's doing Gohan a favor. After all, he'd never want to fight an enemy as great as Cell when Cell was already beaten up and weakened - especially on the cusp of reaching a new and unheard of level of power. The only trouble is that Goku didn't spend enough time with Gohan due to the constant upheaval in their lives since Gohan was literally 4, and the person who did most of Gohan's training never bothered to communicate what he knew about Gohan.

Bad Father Goku is a lot like Bad Mother Chichi, where memes and lack of perspective of what actually happened take over and create an incorrect view of the character. (In both cases the anime makes it worse by supporting those memes)

Also, I think by the time of Android+ they'd moved from truly abridged to 'gag dub', though they still shortened things significantly. Their humorous comparison to Kai was apt. That said, I still think that was mostly a product of them all being such fanboys of the Cell saga, rather than simply choosing to change how they did their thing. Comparatively most the movies, and most infamously the Garlic Jr saga, remained the usual abridged style

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Broly got Funi dubbed around '06, maybe a bit earlier I think, which is why I said it, it's a window of time I'm not quite sure of actually.

The first Broly film was dubbed in 2003.
It was one of Vic Mignogna's first roles at Funimation.

 

[Fougaro]

Bad Father Goku is a lot like Bad Mother Chichi, where memes and lack of perspective of what actually happened take over and create an incorrect view of the character. (In both cases the anime makes it worse by supporting those memes)

Speaking of Chi-Chi, for the longest time I used to dismiss her as a psychotic bitch and basically the anime version of Howard's mom from The Big Bang Theory. But come to think of it, Chi-Chi is basically in the same boat as Goku. While Goku grew up as a boy without parents, Chi-Chi grew up as a girl without a mother. I don't know if it was PlagueOfGripes or some other Dragon Ball SpergTuber who said it, but they speculated that Chi-Chi's behaviour is based on what she thinks how a mother would act, while having no frame of reference due to growing up without one.

Given that Goku was basically a boy that was raised by the wilderness, an old pervert and an alien god and Chi-Chi hails from a single parent household, I think both Goku and Chi-Chi must have done something right since Gohan became an actual scholar instead of a school shooter when taking his traumatic childhood into account.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Speaking of Chi-Chi, for the longest time I used to dismiss her as a psychotic bitch and basically the anime version of Howard's mom from The Big Bang Theory. But come to think of it, Chi-Chi is basically in the same boat as Goku. While Goku grew up as a boy without parents, Chi-Chi grew up as a girl without a mother. I don't know if it was PlagueOfGripes or some other Dragon Ball SpergTuber who said it, but they speculated that Chichi's behaviour is based on what she thinks how a mother would act, while having no frame of reference due to growing up without one.

Given that Goku was basically a boy that was raised by the wilderness, an old pervert and an alien god and Chi-Chi hails from a single parent household, I think both Goku and Chi-Chi must have done something right since Gohan became an actual scholar instead of a school shooter when taking his traumatic childhood into account.

Is that why DBZA had her be an overbearing mother who demanded straight As and pulled Goku into the bed for weeks at a time in the name of procreation?

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

I will definitely have to rewatch the OG Broly movie again after 15+ years. The way you put it, the plot and the writing sound now slightly less retarded than I remember, but it's still a narrative mess. As dumb as it was I can't be too mad at it for having Pantera.

The Goku being a bad father meme is actually interesting. While him giving Cell a Senzu was an absolute WTF moment, I think Goku did for most part a solid job for never having a proper father figure himself.

Edit:

As I said more or less somewhere else, I don't have any animosities towards Team For Star nor do I feel any schadenfreude, but the moment they took what was essentially Dragon Ball shitposting too seriously was pretty much the beginning of the end.

That Senzu thing happened again in the recent chapter of DBS & the whole chapter is calling the stupidity out

 

[Random Internet Person]

That Senzu thing happened again in the recent chapter of DBS & the whole chapter is calling the stupidity out

Hell, the last episode of GT points out how overused the Dragon Balls are.

 

[Polyboros2]

Goku being a bad father is actually canon. Toriyama has talked about it being a genetic Saiyan trait, they don't have a strong attachment to their children. I think he specifically states that his love for Gohan is comparable to his love for Krillin. He does care about his kids, they just aren't much more important to him than a very dear friend. Piccolo being Gohan's farther figure too is in the Manga/Anime, besides taking up his clothing at the end of Cell Saga, Super has Piccolo in Pan's baby photos.

It's actually cute that Vegeta on the other hand, breaks this mold, and cares about his children more than the average Saiyan.

Also, Toriyama is a crazy person who forgets major parts of his own work(Launch isn't in Z cause he forgot about her, when designing SSJ3 in Buu arc he called it SSJ2 CAUSE HE FORGOT ABOUT IT) and Midichlorianed Super Saiyan by explaining that Earth is a very peaceful planet, and Saiyan at peace develop S-cells, and when they have accumulated enough of them they are able to transform(how Trunks did this in shithole timeline is a big ?). It's why Universe 7 Saiyans have such an easy time with it, they are peace keepers.

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

Hell, the last episode of GT points out how overused the Dragon Balls are.

The very concept of Shadow Dragons showed that.

 

[Lucas Silva #4903141]

Hell, the last episode of GT points out how overused the Dragon Balls are.

The very concept of Shadow Dragons showed that.

I was gonna say, yeah, the whole last arc of GT was caused by overusing the dragon balls. It was a concept I liked, though the execution was a mixed bag (leaning towards negative for me). That's the story of GT as a whole right there. You can imagine my disappointment when the super dragon balls were introduced.

Anyways, to stay on topic, did these TFS guys ever do more GT scenes? I remember they did a bit with Bardock seeing the silly dancers from GT as he was dying.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Anyways, to stay on topic, did these TFS guys ever do more GT scenes? I remember they did a bit with Bardock seeing the silly dancers from GT as he was dying.

To my knowledge, no. They’ve only ever done Kai rapid fire to poke fun at what I assume is Kai proclaiming how they had zero filler, and I think it’s been said TFS wanted to do stuff with Super, but they wouldn’t survive the Toei onslaught that’d come with it.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

To my knowledge, no. They’ve only ever done Kai rapid fire to poke fun at what I assume is Kai proclaiming how they had zero filler, and I think it’s been said TFS wanted to do stuff with Super, but they wouldn’t survive the Toei onslaught that’d come with it.

They did do little snippets here and there with Super, though.
I think they were uploaded onto Twitter or Facebook (I'm sure someone compiled them on YouTube).

 

[Random Internet Person]

Insteresting since this is the crossroads where it ended.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Straight from the horse’s mouth.

 

[Fougaro]

Also, Toriyama is a crazy person who forgets major parts of his own work(Launch isn't in Z cause he forgot about her, when designing SSJ3 in Buu arc he called it SSJ2 CAUSE HE FORGOT ABOUT IT) and Midichlorianed Super Saiyan by explaining that Earth is a very peaceful planet, and Saiyan at peace develop S-cells, and when they have accumulated enough of them they are able to transform(how Trunks did this in shithole timeline is a big ?). It's why Universe 7 Saiyans have such an easy time with it, they are peace keepers.

Goku giving Cell a Senzu isn't the biggest WTF moment of the franchise, but learning that there are people who unironically like Super.

 

[Polyboros2]

Goku giving Cell a Senzu isn't the biggest WTF moment of the franchise, but learning that there are people who unironically like Super.

Tournament of Power was legit. I was just kind of following along on the story through Goku Black, but watched all of Tournament of Power. Goku vs Kefla is in the top ten of Dragonball fights IMO.

 

[starborn427614]

Tournament of Power was legit. I was just kind of following along on the story through Goku Black, but watched all of Tournament of Power. Goku vs Kefla is in the top ten of Dragonball fights IMO.

TOP has a ton of great moments but the overall thing could've used some better formatting. They didn't really sell the desperate nature of it as well as they could've done. I ended up liking Jiren a lot all things considered, I hope he comes back in the next saga (and they ignore a lot of what went on in the manga for their own sake).

 

[Polyboros2]

TOP has a ton of great moments but the overall thing could've used some better formatting. They didn't really sell the desperate nature of it as well as they could've done. I ended up liking Jiren a lot all things considered, I hope he comes back in the next saga (and they ignore a lot of what went on in the manga for their own sake).

Yeah I feel like the robot Universe fight drug right about when the climax should of been coming. Jiren was too strong and kind of boring, it was kind of a stretch how far to exhaustion Goku and Vegeta were before facing an essentially fresh fighter (I would of liked Jiren to have been clearly stronger, but also tested and nearing his limits by the end, if nothing else than to leave Goku vs Jiren at full strength for the future).

However there were a lot of nice moments, essentially everyone got time to shine, 17 using his lack of energy to hide till the last moment, being the winner, and saving all of reality was great.