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Don't want to turn this into an abortion thunderdome, but Google the article "the only moral abortion is my abortion" if you wanna see some real fundamentalist double think.
🤝 Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial
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That article is over 20 years old now but it's still just as relevant as when it was first published.
It sounds like Manx cats are like humans with dwarfism where if they get 2 copies of the gene it's almost always fatal (with the exception of a few cases like prayersforpaisley that have survived so far thanks to modern medicine). As a reptile sperg I know there are snake morphs like that too, where if the embryo gets 2 copies of the gene it isn't compatible with life.
Animals will even kill healthy offspring if they need to in order to survive i.e. rodents killing their young because they sense predators in the area. Definitely makes sense many have evolved to be able to sense when one isn't going to survive and act accordingly. Occasionally it will be something humans can treat, but a lot of times it seems like the mother is usually right and the only thing even vets can do is put it down.
Even with humans I feel like this putting FUBAR potato babies on a pedestal and shit is pretty recent, like even Fundies and Catholics were at best leaving then to die alone not even 100 years ago. I guess culture and medicine has changed that much. Certainly if there's any possibility treatment you should go for it, but shit like anencephaly or Tinslee or cyclops babies there is none and the best that can be done is palliative care or aborting it as a fetus.
It was interesting in the documentaries about Shiloh that like Julianna her parents also let her make medical care decisions and she also chose to reject intense medical intervention (leg separation surgery). Seems like even these kids generally prefer quality of life and not being in pain over everything else. It's still really sad though watching her talk about the future especially
Good documentaries, but make sure you have something happy to chase it with.
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the mutation of the cats of happened in the ilse of man uk, anywhoo they were used mostly as seafaring cats, and their hind legs makes it possible to skittle amongst the rocks to cat small fishes near the sea, had one she was a tad bit confused about water at first when I filled up a baby pool for one of my relatives she would hop up and dip her paws into the water and stare at confused like, then eventually she loved playing in it, literally had to buy a custom floaty so she can get into the pool safely and swim. I believe the mutation came about because of they're enviroment, but manx cats are typically loving derpy cats who may love water, and some of them are really great mousers as they took manx cats on ships to hunt rats and mice and other pests.That article is over 20 years old now but it's still just as relevant as when it was first published.
It sounds like Manx cats are like humans with dwarfism where if they get 2 copies of the gene it's almost always fatal (with the exception of a few cases like prayersforpaisley that have survived so far thanks to modern medicine). As a reptile sperg I know there are snake morphs like that too, where if the embryo gets 2 copies of the gene it isn't compatible with life.
Animals will even kill healthy offspring if they need to in order to survive i.e. rodents killing their young because they sense predators in the area. Definitely makes sense many have evolved to be able to sense when one isn't going to survive and act accordingly. Occasionally it will be something humans can treat, but a lot of times it seems like the mother is usually right and the only thing even vets can do is put it down.
Even with humans I feel like this putting FUBAR potato babies on a pedestal and shit is pretty recent, like even Fundies and Catholics were at best leaving then to die alone not even 100 years ago. I guess culture and medicine has changed that much. Certainly if there's any possibility treatment you should go for it, but shit like anencephaly or Tinslee or cyclops babies there is none and the best that can be done is palliative care or aborting it as a fetus.
It was interesting in the documentaries about Shiloh that like Julianna her parents also let her make medical care decisions and she also chose to reject intense medical intervention (leg separation surgery). Seems like even these kids generally prefer quality of life and not being in pain over everything else. It's still really sad though watching her talk about the future especially
Good documentaries, but make sure you have something happy to chase it with.
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Even in the most severe form of holoprosencephaly (alobar), there is a spectrum of facial abnormalities ranging from hypotelorism (where the eyes are abnormally close to each other and bulge) to cyclopia. Some affected fetuses have severe bilateral or midline facial clefts, while others have no cleft. This doesn't have any impact on the dismal outcomes, however; fetuses with hypoterlorism are just slightly less horrifying to look at than those with cyclopia.
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Believe it or not, there's a girl with alobar holoprosencephaly who is still alive at 17. At least that's what the dad says-the fact that she appears to be responsive to her surroundings and the lack of overt facial deformities makes me wonder if she actually has a less severe variant and her dad is exaggerating to make her story sound more INSPIRATIONAL.
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Yeah she definitely looks like she's not on the most severe end of holoprosencephaly. Even if she requires full time care she appears to not be a potato like Mathew and her facial deformities look fairly mild in comparison. Not that her condition isn't still serious, but it sounds like she's not the worst of the worst.
The parents sound fairly fundie, and it wouldn't be the first time fundies have fudged the details about their little miracles. Some pages back there was discussion about fundies posting pics of fairly far along miscarried fetuses and claiming they were earlier in development than they actually were. Then of course there's Kayli's mom and all the insane crap she claims about her spud like she communicates telepathically with Jesus or whatever.
Tl;dr, fundies are highly unreliable narrators
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sometimes I think this whole thread feels like this...I mean the intelligence level of the mothers involved reflected this.
Plus, people know how to fix an imperforate anus - or know when they can't. We probably can for cats, too, but it really isn't worth it.
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It's simple, actually. Fundies believe that 1. God is benevolent and has the best interests of His followers in mind, and 2. that God personally handcrafts every baby in the womb. Therefore, whenever they get hit with a potato baby, the only logical conclusions are that 1. God does not in fact control the development of every baby from conception to birth, 2. God is a dickhole who enjoys dumping deformed babies on people for kicks, or 3. God doesn't exist and every conception is an act of nature alone. None of these options are acceptable to fundies, so we get this bizarre doublethink where hideously fucked-up babies are proof of God's grace.
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Ask and ye shall receive (my Manx is too photogenic for me to resist lol).
I feel like fundies are especially hypocritical when it comes to babies in general. They always talk about how everything is God's will, and it's all in his hands. It's his design for each person to be exactly as they are.
But the thing is, infertile fundies don't take that as God saying 'you're not meant to be a parent', they just get IVF or fertility drugs. If a child is incompatible with life, instead of accepting that it's God's will and design for their baby to live an extremely short life and acting accordingly with palliative care they use every life-prolonging treatment possible, even if it means making that baby suffer tremendously.
When regarding severely fucked up babies in particular I think it's hypocritical about how they say God is merciful and good, but they don't show any mercy for their suffering children and either have abortions or refuse life-prolonging care.
I know that these babies are desperately wanted and terminating a pregnancy or refusing life-prolonging measures will be the hardest decision they've ever had to make in most cases. It's a terrible thing to have to choose to accept death is inevitable for your child. I can see why people feel like it's imposing a death sentence on their dearly loved baby. The thing is, nature (or God, if you're a believer) has already imposed that death sentence. All you're doing is making sure that your beloved child doesn't suffer needlessly.
I have so much compassion for people in that situation, which is why seeing the ones who talk excitedly about their incompatible with life child and say people are monsters for even considering termination, then about how great it is to be blessed with a dying angel baby piss me off so much.
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Interesting post! It sounds like he's a vegetable though which is used unchangeably with brain dead but he wouldn't have been trying to learn to talk if his brain was dead. Vegetables still have brain activity and could theoretically become normal(ish) again but of course most don't or don't recover as much as you'd like. The mother is a huge piece of shit for grifting for an expensive treatment like hyperbaric oxygen and then blowing those many thousands of dollars. Maybe she also has an addiction like her son did? Could she be a shopping addict? Mama Nails situation? That's a lot of money to blow on who knows what when most people would jump at any possible opportunity to help heal their child.
Does anyone know why HBO therapy is always so highly sought after for TBI sufferers but it rarely seems to be covered? Do they ever seek out other "alt" treatments that aren't pure woo like homeopathy? Transcranial direct stimulation, infrared light therapy, deep brain stimulation, CBD, CBC (different cannabinoid that supposedly helps regrow neurons) etc.? I read on the Eva post her mom did about the accident that they were thinking of this oxygen therapy stuff but I don't know if they ever did it or if it helped poor Eva or not.
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Not true. In the UK, the limit is 24 weeks in England and Wales. In Scotland surgical TOPs do not happen after 18 weeks, and if you choose that you are packed off down to London (irrespective of where you live in Scotland, Shetland, Stirling, it's all the same, down to London you go).
In the case of Scotland you will go alone unless your partner can pay for themselves too. You will arrive, have the abortion then go home the same day. If it's a two stage, you have the first that day,night in a shitty bed and breakfast, second stage, train home. Within hours of being under a GA, you are on a long distance train.
And this is the case because the Kafflick (and therefore more likely to be pro Indy/SNP Nurses Union) demand this be so, and it's politically expedient for the SNP led devolved administration at Holyrood to keep the Kafflicks sweet.
If you want any more info on this please feel free to DM me, but please do not think that getting abortion in the UK is not marred and tainted by religious REEEtards who want to inflict their will on women.
Aren't manx cats just a mutation that should not have been allowed to carry on? It's like scottish fold cats, sure their ears are cute, but the issue that makes them flap down is found in all their cartilage so they're riddled with arthritis. Ditto bracycephalaic breeds with dogs and cats.
What the fuck is wrong with people that they like animals bred to suffer cos awww shoooo keewwwuuuutttteee (and don't with the "well they exist anyway!!! I can just give them a good home!!", you buying or having them legitimises the demand for it, the humane thing to do is have them killed, preferably before they spread their shit tier genes) or babies that are non-starters? Oh wow, so adorable, this thing is living a life filled with pain and will die early, I want one.
Genetic fuck ups should be punted into the medical waste. Animal, human, whatever. Get them gone and make another.
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My question is why lol, keep a man who obviousy wanted to commit die, in jail, keep him alive for 2 years? the wife is the grifter, the mom isn't but the mom refuses to let her son go and finish his suicided attempt in peace while the wife understands that nothing lasts forever. Truthfully I wouldn't even want to be kept alive for 2 years if I am brain dead to that extent that I am confined to a bed. I think his mother is being more selfish than the wife, because lets keep in mind josh was a drug user who went to jail for stealing his mom's money for drugs, before that his wife was seperated from him due to guess what? Drugs, with a side hoe too, I think a little grifting off his living death due to him being a punk ass bitch for stuff would pretty much be the only value he has legit offered in a relationship. and even then she realizes its cruel to keep him alive in such a state, so it has to end eventually, but mommy dearest doesn;t want to.
AWWW WHAT A HANDSOME BOY.
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Depends why. It could be locked-in syndrome where you just can't move. And then there's brain-dead to the point you don't even know you exist or experience anything. I wouldn't want family or even taxpayer money to keep me alive in that state. But I wouldn't really care at that point, because there would be no "I" to care. But suppose you're just brain damaged to the point you're capable of being a reddit admin. At that point, please unload a 12 gauge into my skull and end my suffering.
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I think either condition truthfully, locked in would still suck and I am not a patient person, basically watching from the inside but not even be able to communicate let alone control my own body, and do you honestly want to be locked in and stuck in a nursing home, where nursing homes have the greatest track record of lol hiring shit tier staff, and being subjected to all kinds of fun abuse you can't even commnicate about, yeah death would be preferable to that...
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A lot seem to be. With The Empathic Nutrionist going quiet I've been purusing her followers for gems and most seem to be hunbots. Probly should post some of the ones I've found here as well.
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Your cats are adorable, but you're painting fundies with a broad brush, and wrongly. For example, most anabaptists believe the short life and death of a severely disabled child is God's design, and many do not seek infertility treatment.
If it looks like a child will never be able to choose Christ for himself, there is no point in making the child suffer and live.
I'd just like to take a moment to say some people here asserting what "fundies" believe are thoroughly unqualified, and are rarely speaking of fundamentalist Christians, but modern Protestants. Stop watching Fundie Fridays. That ignorant woman labeled Abby Shapiro as a fundamentalist Christian, for fuck's sake.
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The Manx breed actually created itself, it wasn't a man-made breed. They popped up on the Isle of Man where there were fewer trees and thus the need for a tail was lesser. They created themselves, then humans decided to breed them to have shorter and shorter tails. Manxes run the gambit from full-length tails to no tail at all, leaving a dimple. Only dimple cats and ones like mine who have 'rumpy risers' are allowed to be show cats. Mine was actually a stud cat before he was dumped at a shelter and rescued. I agree though, it's fucked up to deliberately breed traits into animals that harm them. In recent years things have slightly improved, at least in the cat show and pro breeder world, but backyard breeders continue to breed for 'cute' over healthy. Just another reason to adopt, not buy if you can possibly help it.
It's kind of scary to think about brain death and being a vegetable and how aware you may or may not be. There is nothing left of your mind if you're brain dead. You have zero awareness and the only thing to do is turn off life support. You can't mistake locked-in syndrome for brain death. There's a lot of hoops to go through to be declared brain dead and they don't make mistakes. I used to be worried about that and didn't consent to being an organ donor, but then I began working at a morgue and learned about what brain death actually meant and have been one ever since.
The kids we talk about here for the most part have little to no awareness. A lot of them only 'express' themselves though seizures and infant reflexes. They don't really get better even if they live, making life-prolonging measures futile and if they're being refused comfort care by their parents, imo almost criminal.
I had no idea that the UK system had been hurt by religion too, but it makes perfect sense now I think about it. I really wish people would stay out of womens' reproductive systems and choices.
I'm not talking about protestants, I'm talking about fundamentalists that are in my particular area of knowledge, which are baptists, not anabaptists or protestants. They tend to be the ones who are excessively vocal about the things people are mentioning here. I've witnessed it personally and it was something I pursued at university. I'm by no means an expert, and I don't mean to tar all fundamentalists with the same brush. If some do believe in what you're saying that's encouraging, but I think most people here are talking about the baptist kind, maybe evangelical.
And thank you, I think they're adorable boys too.
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Baptists/evangelicals are weirdly vocal without being specific.
Many fundamentalists have a huge problem with mainstream society/"English" often sticking their noses into care of children, particularly disabled children because once a child is born, most people want to extend its life and defy God. Mainstream society is just as bad if not worse about projecting consciousness onto people who are functionally dead. Fundamentalist LDS, Mennonites, and the Amish, for example, have their own problems, but it isn't that abortion is forbidden, but that serious medical decisions are often made by men in power who are grossly unqualified to make them.