Tamers12345 - Autistic Sonic and Bartleby Shipper and Video Maker

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Man...the longer this goes on, the more I learn, the more I see...the less I think I could ever "go back". Even if he starts doing SU again, I feel like I've seen the man behind the curtain, and it's kind of ruined the magic.
 
Bitchy Babylonian Barber said:
SU fans weren't exactly flawless, but at least we aren't Flawless like the MLP crowd.
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You'd think that someone that made such a perfectly rich character like his interpretation of Bartleby would know to not let money get to his head, but he clearly did

I forgot about his MLP SU crossover episode and checked to see he's still doing furry brony shit exclusively

He's a judas
 
Chin of Campbell said:
Man...the longer this goes on, the more I learn, the more I see...the less I think I could ever "go back". Even if he starts doing SU again, I feel like I've seen the man behind the curtain, and it's kind of ruined the magic.
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The recent video at least showed that he can still write good SU stuff, but the magic is gone. The somewhat mythical character of Tamers as that passionate fan of a dead niche show making stuff just from his love of it is dead. I'd still enjoy watching new SU, but the curtain has been pulled back, the veil removed, and the mystique extinguished.
All so he could enjoy approval from teenage girls and the mentally ill.
 
"I could write an entire essay on why Marionette is bad and why her existence is like a septic pipe filling Tamers' fandom with the worst sort of nigger brained human garbage alive"
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Fuck it, to live up to my name; Marionette is one of the worst characters to've ever been put to paper and I'll explain as best as I can. Marionette's introduction first of all does not paint a good picture. Starting us off on lecture about 'sexism' and some sort of 'stallion privilege', something completely lopsided to Tamers' world(s) that was never established anytime before. This isn't to say women couldn't take on a more aggressive or front-and-center role, but Marionette makes little sense from Tamers or MLP's point of view. In MLP we follow the exploits of majority female characters, the rulers of many important nations are female, I cannot say how 'pony society' is structured in MLP because I've never watched it beyond what colleagues blab about, but frankly it doesn't appear to be a patriarchal society hidden in the wings of Canterlot. Meanwhile in Tamers' MLP we don't see the pro-male sexism present in Tamers SU property, if anything we see it balanced between the sexes if not slightly more 'matriarchal' given Celestia's homophobia which seems to lessen in the face of lesbian couples she likes. Marionette quickly establishes herself as a mouthpiece for an ideology that does not belong in Tamers' work.

Marionette also resets the tone forever from her presence. Again, this isn't to say Tamers MLP didn't do 'serious' before, but as said; "the parts we were asked to take seriously weren't overdone at the time." Marionette sets the scene for a new more 'dark' and 'serious' MLP that isn't possible (without becoming infinitely cringe) and shouldn't happen in the first place. Back to her debut episode, the last 20 minutes or so is literally nothing but a serious episode whinging about her sad upbringing and now she's 'finally' found a family or some shit.

In the next episode we see her, which is the SU-MLP crossover, she once again comes out full force with 'my tragic sad life' and it eats away at the episode like whatever cancer she's implied to have. Frankly if this were a different show, a different author, a different topic, I would probably care about Marionette struggling to find herself and trying so hard to not be a literal puppet. But that's the problem, this is Tamers MLP, written by a guy who does not do serious drama well, Marionette thankfully tones down the annoying sexism, but it seems to just spread to other characters like Glimmer. Again, we can appreciate a character who's horribly sexist, like Uncle Chuck and Mindy's dad because the sexism they have is hilarious. Uncle Chuck and Mindy's dad don't halfway lecture the audience; they turn up their actions to 11. Despite this being the second episode we watch with Marionette in it, it seems like her character has already encompassed Glimmer, making any discussion of Marionette require talking about Glimmer. Glimmer would require another essay, so on we go.

The most recent episode meanwhile tries to paint Marionette as a caring and thoughtful 'parent'? The relationship dynamics of how Marionette, Glimmer, Twilight, Flawless, and Trixie are never actually explained thoroughly and frankly I wouldn't care in the slightest, but Marionette is presented as someone who cares about Flawless. And hey the annoying no-jokes sexism is back with Glimmer and Marionette. Yay. She's boring, brings nothing to the table, and seems to exist solely to get people's attention. She's there because people see the burned pony and go 'OMG MAI WAIFU, TANK YEW TAMERZ!!1!' Despite everything she protests against about 'getting dick-havers hard' she exists to get dick-havers hard. Notably in both episodes previously she doesn't play as big a role as her debut episode, where she ate up half the run-time with her presence, but this could also be due to the fact we're having to juggle 5 or so protagonists at once. But it's about what Marionette 'releases' that I want to tackle for a bit more on this long-winded journey.

After Marionette's episode we get two very infamous episodes- even without her presence. Arenos's debut episode and the Infection movie. More heavy-handed drama, more attention-grabbing of 'LOOK THESE ARE YOU WAIFUS/FAVS, DON'T YOU LIKE YOUR WAIFUS/FAVS? LOOK AT THEM!' with sexually charged shots, with attention on their boring relationships, on their 'tragic backstories' I don't give a shit about, and I assume many of us don't either. The famed 'Hazbin-Hotel-ification' of Tamers begins with Marionette's introduction. Before hand yes there were 'serious' episodes, and just before Marionette's debut was Apple Bottom and Care Package- who were fucking annoying in thier own right, and maybe the 'HH-ification' of Tamers truly begins with them, but one cannot deny that Marionette took the lead with having her debut be less focused on jokes and absurdity and more on a 'down-to-earth' tragedy, something that is wholly incompatiable with Tamers' worlds and his style.

TLDR: Marionette in any other setting would probably be fine, but she isn't. And thats the problem. If Marionette was as brazenly sexist as Uncle Chuck, we probably wouldn't have as many problems with her, but she isn't. If Marionette was in a different show more focused on drama like a proper soap opera or anywhere that isn't MLP Tamers, she'd be fine. And it's from Marionette we get the start of 'Nu-Tamers'. A show that's dipped in quality that has broken the proverbial red curtain for many, a show that focuses not on making people laugh but on shipfaggotry, a show that seems to revel in cringe but with all the tact and grace of previous works seemingly sapped out. Marionette isn't a character, she's an embodiment of nearly everything wrong with Tamers work now, perhaps only seconded by Apple Bottom and Care Package.
 
Bitchy Babylonian Barber said:
Marionette's introduction first of all does not paint a good picture. Starting us off on lecture about 'sexism' and some sort of 'stallion privilege', something completely lopsided to Tamers' world(s) that was never established anytime before. This isn't to say women couldn't take on a more aggressive or front-and-center role
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Bitchy Babylonian Barber said:
Again, we can appreciate a character who's horribly sexist, like Uncle Chuck and Mindy's dad because the sexism they have is hilarious. Uncle Chuck and Mindy's dad don't halfway lecture the audience; they turn up their actions to 11. Despite this being the second episode we watch with Marionette in it, it seems like her character has already encompassed Glimmer, making any discussion of Marionette require talking about Glimmer. Glimmer would require another essay, so on we go.
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Tamers' FUBAR universe has rules that exist to keep the comedy structured. Queen Aleena is an expert wizard, has no problems dealing with side characters (or Mindy) and will absolutely punch a problem in the face. Despite being a strong character she still gets her ass beat if Uncle Chuck is displeased, because he's male.

At the same time, if Uncle Chuck was a constant abuser who beat Queen Aleena every time they appear it wouldn't be funny, it would just be sad. So this rule gets subverted when it would be funny, or if the situation would get needlessly dark. Because it's comedic structure. You can't subvert comedy if it has no structure.

Marionette's confusing because if Tamers wanted her to be sympathetic (and he very plainly wants that) he could have her turbo-feminism lead to similar consequences. Marionette can say whatever she likes about men, and then every so often a male character can give her a flogging (the more irrelevant the better) to remind the viewer of this universe's insane rules. Or some other female character of greater power (I envision Celestia) could tell Marionette that gender roles are good, even the retarded ones, and women belong in the kitchen.

Everyone is an asshole. There's consistency, structure and opportunities to break the structure for comedic effect. And if you're one of the viewers who agrees with a lot of what Marionette might say, you can shed a tear and express sympathy for what's actually happening to her, and not because of laborious exposition that makes me want to hit the skip bar.
Bitchy Babylonian Barber said:
Marionette in any other setting would probably be fine, but she isn't.
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I can't agree with this. Marionette is a very ham-handed unbalanced character. She debuts as a psychotic murderer, is somehow vindicated (not in an absurd or comedic way, it just doesn't make sense to me), returns, drags down every scene she's in and now exists to metastasize another obnoxious waifu-bait character. It's fucking brutal. Hopefully Jinx gets a bigger caliber of handgun and shoots Glimmer for no reason beyond homophobia.
 

Apparently infection AUs are a thing for bronies? I only found this out from him announcing the Infection movie and people commenting on it. So we're going there.

My two cents on Marionette: She would be kinda fun if she had only two traits Tamers set up: she's insanely misandrist, and she just constantly breaks the fourth wall, causing the others to view her as a conspiracy theorist on how some outside force (probably male) is controlling their universe.
 
The Sonic Underground portion of the movie was only like 35 minutes, 10 minutes after that it nose dives completely into lesbian horse nothingness, the ONLY good thing about Marionette is the cut to Tamers explanation to her reappearing but now her only meaning is to be stupid melodramatic fagslop for those portion of the fans, I WANT MORE SONIC UNDERGROUND IF TAMERS WON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THOSE CHARACTERS WHO WILL!
 
Privilege Power Hour said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=E78aZQeVzNE
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An absolute slopfest that /mlp/ will no doubt enjoy. I know Tamers has been on a colossal downward trend, but this trailer just feels embarrassing. It really does just feel like Tamers is jingling the keys in front of the patreon paypiggies and going "Look bitches! It's the stallions, aren't they so cute and sexy? Gimme your money bitch!"

That and it also seems like the horses are becoming more and more 'humanized'? Again, maybe I just don't remember all the MLP episodes, but I swear to god the more recent an MLP episode is the more I've been seeing shots of the ponies stand up on two legs and try and look humanoid, and I think it's part of the push to 'waifuize' them. Again, I know they've been standing up on two legs since the start, but I feel like now it's less about the comedic aspect and more about the 'fapbait' angle. It feels weird.
 
Bitchy Babylonian Barber said:
An absolute slopfest that /mlp/ will no doubt enjoy. I know Tamers has been on a colossal downward trend, but this trailer just feels embarrassing. It really does just feel like Tamers is jingling the keys in front of the patreon paypiggies and going "Look bitches! It's the stallions, aren't they so cute and sexy? Gimme your money bitch!"

That and it also seems like the horses are becoming more and more 'humanized'? Again, maybe I just don't remember all the MLP episodes, but I swear to god the more recent an MLP episode is the more I've been seeing shots of the ponies stand up on two legs and try and look humanoid, and I think it's part of the push to 'waifuize' them. Again, I know they've been standing up on two legs since the start, but I feel like now it's less about the comedic aspect and more about the 'fapbait' angle. It feels weird.
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Tamers makes more through Patreon than your average industry animator makes in wages. I'm not going to blame him too hard for trying to milk the brony paypiggies, he went from living on a tugboat to being able to write "Independent Contractor" on his tax forms. Still sucks that the monkey's paw curled a finger when someone said "Tamers is so talented, I wish more people recognized his autism."
 
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