War Taiwan reports large incursion by Chinese warplanes for second day - Wake up and sniff the coffee Joe!

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Taiwan has reported a large incursion by Chinese warplanes for the second day running, a show of force that coincides with the first days of US President Joe Biden's term of office.
Sunday's operation involved 15 aircraft and followed a similar drill that led to a warning from Washington.
China sees democratic Taiwan as a breakaway province, but Taiwan sees itself as a sovereign state.
Analysts say China is testing the level of support of Mr Biden for Taiwan.
China has carried out regular flights over the waters between the southern part of Taiwan and the Taiwanese-controlled Pratas Islands in the South China Sea in recent months.
But they are usually conducted by one to three reconnaissance or anti-submarine warfare aircraft, according to Taiwan.
Taiwan's defence ministry said eight Chinese bomber planes capable of carrying nuclear weapons, four fighter jets and one anti-submarine aircraft entered its south-western air defence identification zone on Saturday.
Sunday's operation involved 12 fighters, two anti-submarine aircraft and a reconnaissance plane, the ministry said. On both occasions, Taiwan's air force warned away the aircraft and deployed air defence missile systems to monitor the planes.
There has been no official comment from the Chinese government.
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Why is it significant?​

The drills come days after the inauguration of President Biden, who is expected to maintain pressure on China over a wide range of issues including human rights, trade disputes, Hong Kong and Taiwan, which has been a major thorn in the deteriorating relationship between the two powers.
The Trump administration established closer ties with Taipei, ramping up arms sales and sending senior officials to the territory despite fierce warnings from China. Days before he left office, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo lifted long-standing restrictions on contacts between American and Taiwanese officials.
The substance of the new administration's policies on China and Taiwan remains to be seen but, in response to Saturday's operation, US state department spokesman Ned Price said the US would continue to deepen its ties with the island.
"The United States notes with concern the pattern of ongoing PRC attempts to intimidate its neighbours, including Taiwan," he said in a statement, in reference to the People's Republic of China.
"We urge Beijing to cease its military, diplomatic, and economic pressure against Taiwan and instead engage in meaningful dialogue with Taiwan's democratically elected representatives."

media captionPresident Tsai Ing-wen tells China to “face reality” and show Taiwan respect
Last week, the island's de-facto ambassador to the US, Hsiao Bi-khim, was invited to attend Mr Biden's inauguration, in what was seen as another sign of the new administration's support for Taiwan.
Lo Chih-cheng, a senior lawmaker for Taiwan's ruling Democratic Progressive Party, said China's moves were an attempt to deter the new US government from backing the island. "It's sending a message to the Biden administration," he told the Reuters news agency.

What is the context?​

China and Taiwan have had separate governments since the end of the Chinese civil war in 1949. Beijing has long tried to limit Taiwan's international activities and both have vied for influence in the Pacific region.
Tensions have increased in recent years and Beijing has not ruled out the use of force to take the island back.
Although Taiwan is officially recognised by only a handful of nations, its democratically elected government has strong commercial and informal links with many countries.
Like most nations, the US has no official diplomatic ties with Taipei, but a US law does require it to provide the island with the means to defend itself.
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Xinnie The Pu's getting a bit fruity again, looking to test Creepy Joe. Watch this go well(!)
 
China has been... rather openly showy nowadays for a while. Like, very openly. I'm not sure what this leads to the future, but I'm just surprised that not one place just went some equivalent of shutting China up and knocking it down a peg. But rather, everyone just bowed down and let it ooze out like a pus from a pimple. I would had thought everyone is tired and cranky of China's antics long ago, but nobody is doing anything.
 
Hong Kong has already been left to fend for itself.
If you really think there's going to be a war, or anything major over China encroaching on other countries, then you're delusional
Yeah, but it's different with Taiwan. We have a relations treaty with them.

If China were to attack Taiwan, it would immediately go to congress for a vote for intervention...

Unless Taiwan attacked an unprovoking China, we would be obligated to intervene...
 
Remind me again how many members of congress have open ties to CCP money?
Pretty sure not enough to back out. China's only hope would be fabricating some sort of Taiwanese aggression...

That would give enough of an excuse. But, that would be fairly difficult to execute..
 
Hong Kong has already been left to fend for itself.
If you really think there's going to be a war, or anything major over China encroaching on other countries, then you're delusional
Hong Kong is technically a CCP territory since UK cucked out to CCP demand several decades ago.

Taiwan on the hand is a separate entity altogether and they have no binding obligation to be a CCP region.

Only thing that would destroy Taiwan is conquest or willing surrender. Both of which seems unrealistic....
 
Hong Kong is technically a CCP territory since UK cucked out to CCP demand several decades ago.

Taiwan on the hand is a separate entity altogether and they have no binding obligation to be a CCP region.

Only thing that would destroy Taiwan is conquest or willing surrender. Both of which seems unrealistic....
I think the most likely way for Taiwan to submit to China: governmental infiltration of Taiwan. Something the Chinese have tried and failed at.

But, eventually, they may get some sympathetic politicians elected..

A military invasion would be catastrophic for the Chinese imo..
 
I think the most likely way for Taiwan to submit to China: governmental infiltration of Taiwan. Something the Chinese have tried and failed at.

But, eventually, they may get some sympathetic politicians elected..

A military invasion would be catastrophic for the Chinese imo..
With enough migration and bribery, it seems likely but who knows. They could compel insurrection or Han Chinese persecution as main reason for invasion and western governments kind of just buy it and condemn it verbally but do nothing.
 
With enough migration and bribery, it seems likely but who knows. They could compel insurrection or Han Chinese persecution as main reason for invasion and western governments kind of just buy it and condemn it verbally but do nothing.
The invasion would fail though imo. China doesn't have infrastructure, supply chain, or sea lift to pull it off.

Also, to keep the Taiwanese populace in line (if an invasion was successful)would require crimes almost impossible to suppress in a modern age.

Taiwan isn't the Sudan or some African shithole. It's a fully functioning modern country. Injustices would be front and center to the west.

I don't think they could ignore it even if they tried..
 
The invasion would fail though imo. China doesn't have infrastructure, supply chain, or sea lift to pull it off.

Also, to keep the Taiwanese populace in line would require crimes almost impossible to suppress in a modern age.

Taiwan isn't the Sudan or some African shithole. It's a fully functioning modern country. Injustices would be front and center to the west.

I don't think they could ignore it even if they tried..
They got away with everything else. Uyghur, falun gong and Hong Kong. Every step of their atrocity only emboldens them.

And believe it or not, CCP is well known to kidnap Chinese nationals in different nations. Billionaires get kidnapped regularly...including well known persons like Jack Ma...

They are doing everything except full out war.
 
They got away with everything else. Uyghur, falun gong and Hong Kong. Every step of their atrocity only emboldens them.

And believe it or not, CCP is well known to kidnap Chinese nationals in different nations. Billionaires get kidnapped regularly...including well known persons like Jack Ma...

They are doing everything except full out war.
Right, but this would be the murderous supression of an independent country. The examples given were internal persecutions.

In the case of Hong Kong, the Chinese government has been very careful not to show an overt violent oppression. Instead opting for a gradual transition to full control. Largely because HK, for the time being, is still relevant on the global stage..

An invasion of Taiwan would be full on war...
 
They are doing everything except full out war.
They know an open war would tank them. They have the manpower but not the economy and if they go to a full blown war against the US or one of its allies, the paper tiger would crumble quite catastrophically, and with Trump even harder because he could force US companies to withdraw from China and forbid them from doing business with them. China doesn't have the war economy of the US and their whole economic miracle is just a façade, that's why they aren't doing it.

But now that Orange Man is gone, that might have emboldened them since Trump recognized Taiwan as a nation and he was quite supportive of them against the chinese expansion. Now that he has left the building, the chinks might have a good excuse to resume operations.
 
Right, but this would be the murderous supression of an independent country. The examples given were internal persecutions.

In the case of Hong Kong, the Chinese government has been very careful not to show an overt violent oppression. Instead opting for a gradual transition to full control.

An invasion of Taiwan would be full on war...
Yeah only thing they haven't done is war.
 
China's only hope would be fabricating some sort of Taiwanese aggression...
Like something along the lines of "they're a rogue separatist state that needs to be brought back in line with the rest of China"? They could even get away with making a comparison to the Union retaking the Confederate states as a slap to the face of the U.S.
Also, to keep the Taiwanese populace in line (if an invasion was successful)would require crimes almost impossible to suppress in a modern age.
Like keeping them in concentration camps? How about having the police beat and arrest any protesters? Maybe run them over with some tanks in the middle of a city street?

Oh wait.
Right, but this would be the murderous supression of an independent country. The examples given were internal persecutions.
Their entire argument for reunification by force is that it is an internal problem.
 
They know an open war would tank them. They have the manpower but not the economy and if they go to a full blown war against the US or one of its allies, the paper tiger would crumble quite catastrophically, and with Trump even harder because he could force US companies to withdraw from China and forbid them from doing business with them. China doesn't have the war economy of the US and their whole economic miracle is just a façade, that's why they aren't doing it.

But now that Orange Man is gone, that might have emboldened them since Trump recognized Taiwan as a nation and he was quite supportive of them against the chinese expansion. Now that he has left the building, the chinks might have a good excuse to resume operations.
China is unfortunately an industrial powerhouse. The logistic and labour force is just a billion times ahead compared to America.

War with Taiwan is going to end up in embargo at best and slowly starve China through restriction and limitation.

This would cost China more than the war itself.
 
Like something along the lines of "they're a rogue separatist state that needs to be brought back in line with the rest of China"? They could even get away with making a comparison to the Union retaking the Confederate states as a slap to the face of the U.S.

Like keeping them in concentration camps? How about having the police beat and arrest any protesters? Maybe run them over with some tanks in the middle of a city street?

Oh wait.

Their entire argument for reunification by force is that it is an internal problem.
No, I mean something along the lines of a "Gulf of Tonkin" incident. Not pointless CCP bulletpoints..

The Chinese, to surpress Taiwan, would have to do something on the level of Pol Pot. All the while the global community looking directly at them.

Again, thats CCP propaganda, not how Taiwan resides on the global stage. They can say whatvever they want but Taiwan is recognized as an independent country by the west..
 
No, I mean something along the lines of a "Gulf of Tonkin" incident. Not pointless CCP bulletpoints..

The Chinese, to surpress Taiwan, would have to do something on the level of Pol Pot. All the while the global community looking directly at them.

Again, thats CCP propaganda, not how Taiwan resides on the global stage. They can say whatvever they want but Taiwan is recognized as an independent country by the west..
All of your arguments hinge on this notion that anybody is going to stand up to China for crimes against humanity. That's why people keep bringing up nobody doing anything about their crimes against humanity.

Right now they could invade Taiwan and the most they'd get is a stern talking-to. If even that. It's not a hypothetical, they've done it and will continue to do it.
 
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