Tabletop Roleplaying Games (D&D, Pathfinder, CoC, ETC.)

[Ghostse]

I didn't think of that.

That's not sarcasm. This came about when a couple of ex players started talking about a cyberpunk game I had planned years ago but never finished, and a steampunk game that also fell apart after a session. Here's me trying to figure out how to have cinematic gunfights without turn based combat, but I didn't consider changing the scope to avoid combat. Age of Sail might be too dry for my group, but I love the idea.

Something I need to sleep on. Those shitty Pathfinder campaigns people love where you build a city or run a resistance movement. I don't like them because the two modes are separated by a canyon made of saw blades so the management feels like a waste of time. I wonder if flipping them around to the PCs are running the city and NPCs are sent out to do the adventures would work?

My recommendation would be crib from V:TM and The Game of Thrones RGP & other GoT things, and toss in a bit of Crusader Kings (vidya). I'm not sure what game to go for about the New World trading simulation but I'm sure there is one.
(WARNING: I have not played or given more than a cursory glance at these systems; I'm going off of play reports and general themes)
That is, the players run trading companies. They attempt to undercut and undermine rivals, while also playing political fuck-fuck games and the political fuck-fuck games are where the majority of the game play happens. Most of this won't need dice roles (ot at least player dice rolls), and would lend itself well to abstract, distributed play.
And what dice rolls happen, the players wouldn't/shouldn't know the outcome.

But I'll warn you that you need players of a specific mindset. They need to be OK with very abstract, delayed, and disconnected results to their actions. They sent out a ship to go to Angola for slaves, Jamaica for sugar, and Virginia for furs & rum, it might be a year plus before the ship comes back. If something goes wrong, they might not know for months their ship is in trouble by the time a returning ship brings news. If it is lost in a storm, you might not know for years, if ever, what happened.
They would need to understand, when it comes to stuff like assassinations, they would basically be playing chess and they are the king; if a cloaked assassin steps out of the shadows of their mansion at night, they are foppy faggot aristocrats and that is game over - the way they stopped this was by heading off opponents such they wouldn't have the stones or juice to pull this thing off.

Furries have always been a percentage of the nerd population, I don't think the ratio has changed appreciably over the years.

Rest of your post is spot on but this wrong, dead wrong.
Furries are not only more numerous but both the degree that they identify as a furry and the level of furfag degeneracy they view as acceptable for polite company has gone though the fucking roof.

That is, back in the day, you would have a furry who was a furry but keep that shit on the D/L around non-furfags. They would not be wearing ears and tails to any non-halloween events. They would not discus fursonas. They woudn't talk about their furry ERP community. They usually wouldn't even try to inject furry gooning or their vore fetish into the game because they knew that it would not tolerated.

Now, fursonas are front and center in the profile beside pronouns, they have no issues bring up shit like nullification and other degen gooning terms, and will constantly be trying to turn any games they participate into in to furry gooning sesh. Then add to this most of them are also some level of tranny and "Suffer not the furry to live" has never been more needed.

percentile dice [ ... ]which overcame the limitations of d20 systems

Nigga fucking HOW? D20 is a 5% gated percentile system.
Its the same goddamn thing.

 

[Quintus]

So my Darksun campaign ended last night and pretty much every PC died. To make a long story short, two of the party members were afflicted with curse that would kill them very quickly and they had no means to cure it. They decided to ask the Sorcerer King they had worked for in the past for help figuring that he owed them. Well it turns out, that the evil tyrannical sorceror king who was planning on killing you soon anyway is probably the last person you want to ask for help when most of your group are dead or too grief stricken to think clearly.

 

[robobobo]

Furries are not only more numerous but both the degree that they identify as a furry and the level of furfag degeneracy they view as acceptable for polite company has gone though the fucking roof.

I still doubt it. I suspect that anyone prancing around with a pile of pride pins and a fursuit today was just as degenerate twenty years ago, they just were keeping it under wraps. They didn't all just materialize straight from the warp when Obama was elected. Now you could argue that recent generations are more infected with goonerism and that is pushing the percentage upwards, but I'm hoping that's just the millennials and we'll see a swing back towards relative normalcy with the zoomers.

 

[Ghostse]

I still doubt it. I suspect that anyone prancing around with a pile of pride pins and a fursuit today was just as degenerate twenty years ago, they just were keeping it under wraps. They didn't all just materialize straight from the warp when Obama was elected. Now you could argue that recent generations are more infected with goonerism and that is pushing the percentage upwards, but I'm hoping that's just the millennials and we'll see a swing back towards relative normalcy with the zoomers.

Open degeneracy not only opens others to that degeneracy, but the degree to which they explore the depths of that degeneracy. Maybe you were jacking it to WD's Robin Hood in your shame closet, but that was something you kept underwraps and in private. Thanks to the internet and increased tolerance for deviants, you are now and out and proud foxfucker with a fursona and learning about shitting dick nipples and vore.

The Troon menace do not arrise because a bunch of men decided they could be the women they felt like they really were. Its a bunch of autists realizing how they can force people to be nice to them and put up with their tard rage and politely deal with their terrible personalities. Same with furries.

 

[p1138]

Open degeneracy not only opens others to that degeneracy. Maybe you were jacking it to WD's Robin Hood in your shame closet, but that was something you kept underwraps and in private. Thanks to the internet and increased tolerance for deviants, you are now and out and proud foxfucker with a fursona and learning about shitting dick nipples and vore.

The Troon menace do not arrise because a bunch of men decided they could be the women they felt like they really were. Its a bunch of autists realizing how they can force people to be nice to them and put up with their tard rage and politely deal with their terrible personalities. Same with furries.

Basically this. The internet allowed mostly isolated and appropriately shamed degenerates to form little bubbles of degeneracy, in which they could worse and worse and of course invited more people along with it, and as a result we've seen weirder and weirder shit for the past 25 years.

Does anyone seriously believe there was a sizeable population of people with a fetish of cartoon characters being inflated before deviantart(christ, it's in the name) and sonic OC inflation popped up? Or that a movie like Junior from 1994 was anything but a silly joke at the time with the mpreg bullshit online? Yet this crap is commonplace now.

That's not to say there weren't people into weird shit ages ago. Japan had ancient degenerates that we know of due to that fisherman's wife shit, but it wasn't common and certainly not thrown in everyone's face with demands about acceptance(which is not the same as tolerance).

 

[Kyria the Great]

I have more work on my Fallout project and asking for feedback on this faction, The Patrolmen. As their name implies they are the descendants of highway patrolmen and other police units in more rural and suburban outskirts in Indiana. They are somewhat an analog to the Desert Rangers except in one major department, they're about trying to bring civility the wasteland and aren't really a hunting faction.

The Patrolmen are also defined by neutrality to most factions and aim to establish precincts in other settlements and other regional powers. They actually are quite skilled in non-lethal weaponry and will contract to assist communities detain and imprison those who break the law by adopting the basics of Patrolman law.

Those who are imprisoned by the patrolman are sent to a very secure prison that has a real life version that is in Terre Haute that's nicknamed, "Gitmo of the North". The prisoners are then forced to do prison labor until their sentence has been served, not working will get you deprived of rations.

Critics of the Patrolmen say they're only one step removed from the average slaver and I feel a borderline prison-industrial complex might be an interesting ethical scenarios to explore.

The faction will be rather motorized and/or be on horseback with much of their kit being non-lethals, 10mm pistols, shotguns, AR15s, with Sniper Rifles for more severe situations. Good relations can get players access to good quality goods including kelvar armors, one of the industries that keeps the Patrolmen afloat.

They will also offer bounties on particularly dangerous and/or elusive targets.

 

[AnOminous]

Nigga fucking HOW? D20 is a 5% gated percentile system.
Its the same goddamn thing.

Bullshit. There is a vast difference between a 5% chance of something and a 1% chance of something happening. A 5% chance would happen in nearly any session where dice rolling is common. A 1% is a total rarity and you might see it a few times a year or so.

Being able to tailor odds precisely is a huge improvement.

 

[AnOminous]

Basically this.

Pretty much the toaster fucker meme.

Pre-Internet: I want to fuck toasters! Response: What the fuck is WRONG with you? GET HELP!
Post-Internet: I want to fuck toasters! (Immediately finds a site with thousands of people who want to fuck toasters and insist it's normal.)

 

[Ghostse]

I have more work on my Fallout project and asking for feedback on this faction, The Patrolmen. As their name implies they are the descendants of highway patrolmen and other police units in more rural and suburban outskirts in Indiana. They are somewhat an analog to the Desert Rangers except in one major department, they're about trying to bring civility the wasteland and aren't really a hunting faction.

The Patrolmen are also defined by neutrality to most factions and aim to establish precincts in other settlements and other regional powers. They actually are quite skilled in non-lethal weaponry and will contract to assist communities detain and imprison those who break the law by adopting the basics of Patrolman law.

Those who are imprisoned by the patrolman are sent to a very secure prison that has a real life version that is in Terre Haute that's nicknamed, "Gitmo of the North". The prisoners are then forced to do prison labor until their sentence has been served, not working will get you deprived of rations.

Critics of the Patrolmen say they're only one step removed from the average slaver and I feel a borderline prison-industrial complex might be an interesting ethical scenarios to explore.

The faction will be rather motorized and/or be on horseback with much of their kit being non-lethals, 10mm pistols, shotguns, AR15s, with Sniper Rifles for more severe situations. Good relations can get players access to good quality goods including kelvar armors, one of the industries that keeps the Patrolmen afloat.

They will also offer bounties on particularly dangerous and/or elusive targets.

Here's what I'd do.
Go full Madmax - and by that I mean OG Madmax - with the Patrolmen.

You can look this up, but
Indiana has a ton of oil that is extremely difficult to access because utter retards in the 1880s burned off all the natural gas, so you have to repressurize it to pump it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_gas_boom

So the Patrolmen run very shitty pumping operation where the prisoners are used to perform low-tech fracking by running the pumps to force down water with manual force, then back out due to pressure from heat underground, a scalding water-oil mixture bubbles back up, sometimes explosively gyser like. Then this slurry is skimmed for oil which is refined.

This is prison pumping/refining operation is run by "The Omerta Union". Just turn them in Italiana-commie pastiche. Prisoners fight and murder for "seniority" which keeps them out of the most dangerous jobs. The bosses demand "compensation" for injuries but the only thing the injured get is time in the (poorly stocked and staffed) infirmary.

Add to this.
Chicago got utterly raped with nukes, its still more than background radiation fucked, so the only way to cross the expanse is in your souped up muscle car limiting your exposure to the still-glowing epicenters.
Maybe you could even have the Patrolmen be a primarily Ghoul operation, run by pre-war patrolmen who were at a law enforcement convention when the bombs went off.
"This is just an excuse to make the patrolmen's leader a blackman so you have the local power be literal glow niggers isn't it." I will not dignify such attacks on my character with an affirmative response.

So the patrolmen keep order in their territory, enforce a very loose set of rules, keep the roads open, and in general leave communities to mostly self-rule and self-manage but deal harshly withoutsiders. And try to maintain some sense of order even if the courts are run by immortal ghoul judges.

Bullshit. There is a vast difference between a 5% chance of something and a 1% chance of something happening. A 5% chance would happen in nearly any session where dice rolling is common. A 1% is a total rarity and you might see it a few times a year or so.

Being able to tailor odds precisely is a huge improvement.

My opinion on the matter is that 1% odds shouldn't be rolled on any sort of regular basis, and if matters that damn much roll a d4 to determine if the +- 1 applies.

Percentile leads to spergy 37% + 12% - 8% + 9% / 2 bullshit in multiple-per-combat rolls where the end result is often less than 5% off what it would be if you were just using 5% gating - which again is what half 53% of d100 systems use anyway.

 

[AnOminous]

Percentile leads to spergy 37% + 12% - 8% + 9% / 2 bullshit in multiple-per-combat rolls where the end result is often less than 5% off what it would be if you were just using 5% gating - which again is what half 53% of d100 systems use anyway.

Oh yeah? Well d100 RULES and d20 DROOLS.

[inserts a soyjak of you]

 

[Kyria the Great]

I do like that though I already have plans for Chicago to be heavily radiated ruins aside from the southside which was largely spared though due to historical background radiation, it was largely populated by ghouls who would be largely black. The "normies" live in Gary where freemen and slaves toil making steel and other goods.

 

[The Ugly One]

I still doubt it. I suspect that anyone prancing around with a pile of pride pins and a fursuit today was just as degenerate twenty years ago, they just were keeping it under wraps.

When you say 20 years ago, you mean 2005, right?

I think a big difference between then and now is a lot of today's degenerates have been mainlining porn since they were little kids. They found online gooner communities when they were in their teens. It's fundamentally fucked a staggering number of people up to a depth that was previously impossible.

 

[The Bogwater Flows On]

Oh yeah? Well d100 RULES and d20 DROOLS.

I 100% support this and you cannot change my mind.

I am too mentally retarded to think differently.

 

[Gingervitis]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lRVZbAuv8pk
You don't say?

Tbh, I think this is a Current Year problem. In the 90’s, off the top of my head (wasnt around in that era, bear with me), there were Phanaton (gliding lemur people), Rakasta (catmen), Lupin (dogmen), multiple lizardmen, Aaracokra, Swanmays (human girls who could transform into swans), Hengeyokai, and more that I’m forgetting about, and they weren’t nearly as prevalent. The only solution I can offer (beyond not playing with furries or troons) is to make your playable furry races kemonomimi and your non-playable furries ugly and rabid.

 

[Judge Dredd]

I had the misfortune over the years of running across a couple players who tried to inject their furry OCdonutsteel into a game, but the other players had zero tolerance for someone wasting everyone else's time LARPing as Sharpfang Sparklefur when the rest of us wanted to hurry up and get around to stomping on goblin babies.

That's not limited to furries though. I've had good luck with furries in my games (critical roll fans too). It's history nerds and grognards that have been the problem player more often than not.

that sort of player has been provided more fertile ground for their fetishes.

And yet not fertile enough. As bad as DnD has become, and it is bad, it's not as bad as shit like FATAL. Supposedly the old Paladium games had fetishes and mental illnesses you could take as character options. Then there's Dice Scum's review of Apacolypse World.

Thanks to the internet and increased tolerance for deviants

This is the real problem. Even in 2008 there was a seperation between the internet and real life. That doesn't really exist any more. You could have your user name where you post furry stuff, and it would have no baring on your job or real life. Now everything is so comingled that there's no real getting away from it.

And there's no reason to be ashamed. The dating and job markets are completely fucked. It's pretty much an open secret that many people who live glamourous lifestyles are doing so on credit. It's simple math at some point. See below.

Does anyone seriously believe there was a sizeable population of people with a fetish of cartoon characters being inflated before deviantart(christ, it's in the name) and sonic OC inflation popped up? Or that a movie like Junior from 1994 was anything but a silly joke at the time with the mpreg bullshit online? Yet this crap is commonplace now.

Yes, there was. They've had newsletters and cons since the 70s I believe.

The way I look at it is like 50 shades of grey. BDSM was a whole thing for years. I remember hearing stories about "ships in the night" where people would have to be cool if they met someone from the BDSM community in RL. Even giving a second glace in the street could out someone and cost them their career. 50 shades did bring in a bunch of normies who don't know what they're doing, but it mainly made it so that those into BDSM no longer would lose their 25 year cooperate office job because a house cleaner found a gimp mask hidden in a secret drawer.

Another part of this is people are when people become aware of it. I get dumb stickers when I say this, but it's somewhat easy to judge someones age by what media they consider furry. Robin Hood, Starfox, Banjo Kazooie, Dust An Elysian Tale, Undertale, Zootopia? Whichever they choose as the moment media went from "anthro characters" to "furry bait" is the time they learned of furaffinity.

And the last part. The current Romantasy trend. ie. Women wanting to fuck minotaurs, werewolves, and vampires. This has been a thing since at least Twilight, but supposedly it's only now in 2025 that women have started lusting after monsters?

 

[AnOminous]

Robin Hood

The source of all furries. Specifically Maid Marian.

 

[p1138]

Yes, there was. They've had newsletters and cons since the 70s I believe.

Newsletters and usenet groups is not the same as the modern internet today and had nowhere near the reach, and newsletters didn't have the interactivity.

Why are you furryguarding?

The way I look at it is like 50 shades of grey. BDSM was a whole thing for years. I remember hearing stories about "ships in the night" where people would have to be cool if they met someone from the BDSM community in RL. Even giving a second glace in the street could out someone and cost them their career. 50 shades did bring in a bunch of normies who don't know what they're doing, but it mainly made it so that those into BDSM no longer would lose their 25 year cooperate office job because a house cleaner found a gimp mask hidden in a secret drawer.

So degens becoming emboldened to not hide their shit? And now we get women writing and reading books about fucking werewolves and spider monsters on endcaps at barnes & noble.

And the last part. The current Romantasy trend. ie. Women wanting to fuck minotaurs, werewolves, and vampires. This has been a thing since at least Twilight, but supposedly it's only now in 2025 that women have started lusting after monsters?

There were always a few women into this shit. and shows my point above about this being on endcaps for the world to see in big box retail stores.

 

[The Ugly One]

Heavy Metal magazine had extreme fetish content back in the 1980s. I posted some of it here, once, but I don't care to find it. There was one comic where a guy turned into a fat balloon-person with various holes and appendages all over his body, and jumped into an orgy of similar fat, pink balloon people. Sexless nerds gooned to weird shit even back then.

 

[Red Dragon]

Weird fetishes always existed, but were confined to either secret fringe groups or lonely ostracized people. The point of no return you guys are searching for is the sexual revolution from the 60s; everything after is just an echo getting increasingly louder. The internet only sped up the process, connecting weirdoes from the entire world.

Death to faggots, furries and feminists; I just want to kill orcs and save villages in peace.

 

[Abella]

I had the misfortune over the years of running across a couple players who tried to inject their furry OCdonutsteel into a game, but the other players had zero tolerance for someone wasting everyone else's time LARPing as Sharpfang Sparklefur when the rest of us wanted to hurry up and get around to stomping on goblin babies.

I’ve had a player come to the table with a half elf dragonborn OC and he was the most annoying faggot I’ve ever had to play with. The problem with those types is they take it upon themselves to try to make everything about them and their character. You can point to the gay baker dwarves, drow and high elf lesbian couple or any of the other fag shit (and be right to hate them), but they’re the people who WotC likes the most because they’re the ones that stick around when everyone else gets tired of their shit and dips out.

That is the actual cause for our pain. Once WotC finishes flatlining and the youtubers quit drawing enough young viewers to keep the grift going, the hobby will be able to right itself.

WotC has made D&D a lifestyle brand as a means to keep it from staying dead once things go belly up.