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Sunflower Samurai said:
The Trench Crusade Kickstarter was a smash hit, raising half a million dollars in hours. The usual suspects are smugging about le anti woke being defeated, but i suppose its succesful because the average anti warhammer sperg doesnt actually care about discord drama. That and the models they offer seem to be pretty good, with options for physical tiers if you dont own a 3d printer, which is abit above average for a tabletop kickstarter


Of course, some are using the success to do autistic smug victory laps around retarded culture warriors like Grummz instead of just enjoying the game
The current most updooted post on the reddit about the Kickstarter is focusing more on felting Grummz rather than actually celebrating the game's success

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I appreciate the updates man.
LovisXVI said:
given that troonish communities have a tendency to implode and are rarely good at managing money.
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Same thoughts. I give it half a decade before they realize the people politically sperging on the internet are too busy doing that than spreading the word about the game and...actually playing it. Plus it doesn't look good as only insane far-left retards like insane far-left retards, even then they're likely to eat their own if they say or do something "wrong." And given how much it's based on religion, the things these people hate since they themselves are usually evil demons, once the "anti-anti-woke" drama dies down completely they'll go bashing the game's religious iconography like clockwork. Reminder folks, if you make a game that's has heavy religious influence, make sure your main audience is not a group of people notorious for hating religion.
Second Missing Primarch said:
They apparently decided to just 3D print all the minis, and picked a printing company called Only-Games.co to do it for them. People were expressing concern about this in the Kickstarter comments, so I took a look at the company's reviews online and they are...not great. Literally the first result after the company's webstore are a bunch of plebbit threads complaining of excessively delayed shipments, broken or poorly printed minis, wrong items being delivered, and terrible customer service, and they also have atrocious reviews on Trustpilot and their Facebook page. The TC people apparently chose them because they think they'll get the job done quickly and cheaply and somehow avoid fucking up this many orders coming in at once. They keep reiterating that plastic would be too expensive and also said that they were only able to get two multipart kits developed in time. Honestly, the whole operation feels a bit slapdash. If it winds up falling apart, I won't be surprised.
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This keeps getting better and better. The community is full of "WE MUST OWN THE CHUDS" types and the other usual suspects and the normal people who just want to game (for God's sake) are going to be given shitty models well after the expected date and probably beyond even most people's tolerance for delays.
LovisXVI said:
Digital books are just better for the gm since being able to search through them is just a great tool to have.
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Digital is not (fuck I forgot the "not") always a good idea. It is very convenient for a multiple of reasons that have already been listed by others here but harder to access if something goes wrong. Digital goods are more volatile and susceptible to unwanted changes should the people you get these digital goods from decide-for example-you don't own your books and arbitrarily remove your access to them should you need to download it again. Getting PDFs randomly off the internet can be a bit risky if you don't know who to trust and even they can be yeeted into the void. I had a lot of sources for not well known PDFs among many other things be cast into oblivion, and asking around for copies tends to send trannies and jannies into autistic bouts of anti-piracy. This is my own experience of course, anyone here can have conflicting opinions.
 
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The reason I have copies of every single book I have on pdf that I pirated and I've actually bought is simply due to the fact is when the boogaloo happens and move between committing mass murder against our political enemies I'm gonna need to play some D&D
 
Ah ha' said:
Another thing about 3.5 d&d is that a lot of the art for the monsters is quite evocative and pretty to look at. For years before I ever played a single rpg I collected monster manuals starting with 2e.

The 3rd ed monster art in many cases is the same feeling I get from looking at the spritework of Homm3 it is just fantastic enough to seem like it could be real in a lot of cases. Of course there are some stinkers.

Sadly pathfinder and other games afterward could never capture that look again, in the case of Pathfinder it is simply too cartoony and the digitization of art production just doesnt look as nice in 5e.
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I have a soft spot for the first edition monster manual. The drawings are all just dudes who loved playing the game they made and probably doodled monsters on their character sheets. Now there's generations of art, for better or worse, based off of those goofy little drawings.

No art will top the 2e invisible stalker though.
 
The Trench Crusade onlygames debacle jogged my memory and reminded me of something

Indie wargame Marcher actually had a kickstarter for a plastic kit of their dieselpunk US Army faction, the goal was a meagre 10k bucks which they smashed with 50k total, earning extra gubbins like command squads, 10 times less than the Trench Crusade kickstarter let them produce around 2 distinct plastic kits, surely a project well on the road to a million can do so too for some other factions


They partnered with sculpting company Wargames Atlantic to produce em, WGA produces many lines of not Imperial Guard regiments using their Death Fields range and various historical figures like Napoleonics, Medieval, and WW1-WW2 stuff, all in Plastic alongside some STLs they sell. Their WW1-WW2 range were the most common choices for Trench Crusade kitbashes too when it came to plastic

Marcher also has a merchant tier in their MyMiniFactory page (marketplace for 3d models) that lets you freely sell models you buy the STLs to for 30 bucks (i think per month) , before Marcher was a thing i did see a bunch of their work on Etsy, and they have numerous sellers too. Focused on the UK and NA


 
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BlazikenLover said:
This, I've seen way too many board games, TTRPGs and miniature games getting crowdfunded but then you rarely see any discussion online and I recall reading how a lot of the time backers of TTRPG books just get them to put on their shelf and never use them.
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That's all TTRPG books, not just Kickstarter ones, I think. I have never actually played a game of Call of Cthulhu, but I have a physical copy of the Japan-only sourcebooks for playing in Imperial Japan and near-future Japan. (And a digital copy of the CoC ERP sourcebook by the author of Maid RPG because I have too much shame to have a physical copy of that) Some RPG books are just fun to read.
 
Sunflower Samurai said:
One Page Rules was originally partnered primarily with Only Games until recently, Only Games increased its pricing that pretty much lead to the OPR people axing its individual model listings, limited only to Army Bundles now.
OPR partnered with another 3d printing company less than half a month ago now due to how shit Only Games was. There were also various reports of bad service and shit quality as you mentioned

Things could get autistic, they should've just had a MMF page with a merchant tier and let the free market decide which company ends up doing good
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Honestly, the whole thing has the feeling of an amateur-hour operation, and I'm saying this as someone who backed it. Whoever is writing the project updates makes a lot of spelling and grammatical errors; I could excuse one misspelled word here and there, but they've had multiple typos in a single sentence several times now, which just looks sloppy and unprofessional. They're also now planning a $1 million stretch goal that was allegedly going to be the focus of another crowdfunding campaign in the future, meaning they're stacking even more work on top of what they've already got. They're also still tied closely enough to 28 that they're doing a crossover mini with them, so we can maybe expect more drama from that corner if the troon brigade gets pissy about the chuds or something else.

As to the minis, they claim that they want to get the product to backers ASAP, hence why they're using Only-Games, but I'd rather have a quality product a year from now than a shitty one in three or four months, especially given that they're totally fine with kitbashes and third-party sculpts. Speed is not of the essence here.

Long story short, I may have backed this, but I fully expect it to at least partially fall apart under the weight of all the shit they've got piled on, if not completely disintegrate at the first major hurdle/when and if they start getting yelled at by backers.
 
Sunflower Samurai said:
Things could get autistic, they should've just had a MMF page with a merchant tier and let the free market decide which company ends up doing good
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didn't they have a merchant tier? never really paid attention.

the reasons only-games exists is it's an easy to find service for normalfags, if you don't have printer in your social circle that can hook you up finding one randomly as a service is a pain in the ass, especially with google's search getting more and more shit by the day (and if you do the prices some retards have you might as well buy GW shit again). the idea isn't bad, heck if I had few 100k laying around for an industrial printer I might dabble in it myself.

surprised about only games being that shit since they belong to MMF, so there should be some level of oversight and quality assurance. otoh I know how some models are released and how much afterwork you have to do, but then you can only select specific ones to get printed, these should all be dialed in already.

LovisXVI said:
It baffles me why independent publishers do physical releases. All my experience with physical publishing is a nightmare of bloating costs and storage, and my experience is with single runs print according to order! So I imagine it's even worse for other ways. Digital books are just better for the gm since being able to search through them is just a great tool to have. I've yet to figure out how to control + f in real life.
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margins. also some people like physical, and the bigger the volume the easier it is when it comes to logistics (unless you get really big).

Second Missing Primarch said:
Long story short, I may have backed this, but I fully expect it to at least partially fall apart under the weight of all the shit they've got piled on, if not completely disintegrate at the first major hurdle/when and if they start getting yelled at by backers.
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out of curiosity, do you at least get the STLs?

because often the issue isn't the printing (they could hire some cheap chinks for that), but getting it from A to B, so there might be even more drama down the road.
 
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ZMOT said:
out of curiosity, do you at least get the STLs?

because often the issue isn't the printing (they could hire some cheap chinks for that), but getting it from A to B, so there might be even more drama down the road.
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If you're pledging, you have to choose between physical models or STLs; I went for the level that gets me a book and a physical warband because I don't have a 3D printer and don't know anyone who does. I could add the STLs on if I wanted to, but that costs extra.
 
ZMOT said:
margins. also some people like physical, and the bigger the volume the easier it is when it comes to logistics (unless you get really big).
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Physical margins suck, I have heard of books that sell extremely well and still not generate profit, digital is practically pure profit after the costs to write, source illos and formatting.
 
ZMOT said:
didn't they have a merchant tier? never really paid attention.
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They currently dont distribute Minis and its unclear if they will ever dabble on making a merchant tier, they will probably sell STLs though
ZMOT said:
out of curiosity, do you at least get the STLs?
because often the issue isn't the printing (they could hire some cheap chinks for that), but getting it from A to B, so there might be even more drama down the road.
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You can get STLs for a full starter warband for 27USD and each faction has a different price for the Bundle that contains the reminder of the units in a faction, highest price is 40 while lowest is 33, if you order minis directly from them its 45 bucks per starter warband of roughly 7-8 (4 varied elites and 4 troopers) models and 71 to 89 for the bundle (gets you the reminder of the elites and/or extra trooper options), you get all the models in a given faction for 120 to 135 bucks, which seems ok ish, a bit on the higher end. Keep in mind that the starter set is 700 ducats and thats enough for basic games or the start of the campaign, one off games recommend 900 ducats and 8 glory points for special troops and weapons, so a couple bucks more to get a warband ready for one off games, depending on faction

By comparison a full GW killteam is roughly 60 bucks, and depending on faction it wont get you all options, requiring a 2nd box or bits trading. Which is one of the ways GW niggered you, some killteams like Veteran Guardsmen had the option between underpowered air strikes or 4 more troopers, and the box only gave you 10 guys, others let you double up on special weapons and only gave you 1 trooper body that could use them without a janky or difficult conversion, Warcry (the AoS Skirmish game) also has a price of 62.50 per team. So atleast for GW its undeniably pretty good. Which i suppose was key considering the people who dislike nu-warhammer for various reasons are the target audience, other skirmish games like Mantic's firefight give you a full starter skirmish force of 8-12 models for 42 bucks
 
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LovisXVI said:
Physical margins suck, I have heard of books that sell extremely well and still not generate profit, digital is practically pure profit after the costs to write, source illos and formatting.
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Both the people buying and the people selling this stuff are grognards because who in the world even makes stuff like this any more if it isn't a labor of love?
 
LovisXVI said:
Physical margins suck, I have heard of books that sell extremely well and still not generate profit, digital is practically pure profit after the costs to write, source illos and formatting.
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I mean the cost of printing vs price. you already done all the other work for the digital file anyway.
 
Mr. Manchester said:
No art will top the 2e invisible stalker though.
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For people who don't know, here is the 2e invisible stalker:
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Got to run another Pathfinder 2e campaign and am loving it, the remaster is a total upgrade and after seeing Kineticist in action (gets some very freeform features which rely on your DM being cool) I wanna play one. The three action system and the variety of conditions (and their degrees) gives me so much versatility as a DM, I don't have to pull stuff out of my ass as much to spice up combat.
For the longest time I thought conditional bonuses and conditions like off guard (flat footed) would be a nightmare but they ended up being intuitive and am always glad to have the former as an option for "anything not covered by the rules".
Features do get kinda lengthy and some interactions of class features I am still getting used to but thankfully the foundryvtt module is able to apply bonuses out of the box, no need for additional plugins that will break every other update or shit themselves under very specific circumstances.
Maybe I am singing praises to PF2e since the system I have played for the longest time was D&D 5e and other systems were either worse or didn't play enough/there wasn't enough interest to get to know them better but oh well, me and my players are having fun so at worst it is a competent system.
Henri Barbusse said:
That's all TTRPG books, not just Kickstarter ones, I think. I have never actually played a game of Call of Cthulhu, but I have a physical copy of the Japan-only sourcebooks for playing in Imperial Japan and near-future Japan. (And a digital copy of the CoC ERP sourcebook by the author of Maid RPG because I have too much shame to have a physical copy of that) Some RPG books are just fun to read.
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You reminded me how it took me a year to finally use those editions of unmatched I bought since I can only meet with friends on weekends and often other stuff comes up thus planets have to align to even play stuff like this.
 
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The genocidal human supremacists, the scarlet brotherhood got renamed scarlet order in 6E because they now believe in pronouns and gender equality. WOTC unironically made the big bad in Greyhawk fantasy globalhomo.
 
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The genocidal human supremacists, the scarlet brotherhood got renamed scarlet order in 6E because they now believe in pronouns and gender equality. WOTC unironically made the big bad in Greyhawk fantasy globalhomo.
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We want more love for Greyhawk, the players cried. We want a setting update.

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