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They were in Dark Sun. They're psionic heavy.

When they get introduced, lots of people like them for some reason.
They and half-gnomes also exist in Kingdoms of Kalamar if I remember correctly as well. I think they also did a mixed version if elves and orcs were crossbred too.

It's an odd duck Kalamar; one of the rare 2nd party books Wizards had back in the day.
 
Just yesterday I saw a conversation on a RPG Discord about how WotC are sweating since Dragonlance bombed hard, this is right after Spelljammer flopped. Both of which were meant to be guaranteed money printers.

I'm skeptical about this because Google tells me Dragonlance isn't released until the 6th, and WotC has been trying to fuck over the Dragonlance authors since WotC went woke.
I assume they expected big sales because both have some popularity and grog/nerd appreciation (especially spelljammer). same reason they whored out ravenloft.

it's similar to the reboot/sequel of a niche or cult classic IP. just people constantly talking about it and liking the OLD thing doesn't mean they automatically gonna buy the NEW thing with the same name, especially if it's current year shit. see THI4F.

You know, I gave Paizo some shit over ancestry in PF2, but with the way they reworked racial heritage and whatnot in the system it at least makes sense.

As usual, WotC is late and retarded.
to be fair, paizo also did it for the catchy "ABC" of character creation (ancestry, background, class), otherwise they'd probably would've gone with species too (otoh they also use heritage, which still makes more sense, so who knows)
 
I assume they expected big sales because both have some popularity and grog/nerd appreciation (especially spelljammer). same reason they whored out ravenloft.

it's similar to the reboot/sequel of a niche or cult classic IP. just people constantly talking about it and liking the OLD thing doesn't mean they automatically gonna buy the NEW thing with the same name, especially if it's current year shit. see THI4F.
It didn't help that WotC gave the middle finger to the original creators of Dragonlance and Spelljammer and that the likes of Margaret Weis made it a hobby to blast WotC on Twitter over how low quality the new Dragonlance and Spelljammer are. Another thing I will like to add is how WotC desperately wants the hip, progressive Tumblr audience instead of the die hard fans that they had before. One problem. The progressive crowd is really, really anal when it comes to respecting the rights of creators and artists over that of corporations. This group of people tend not to like a multi-million dollar corporation walking all over the creators and making money off their work while cutting them out of a deal. Good job Wizards you absolute fucking dumbasses.
 
But they can all breed with humans can't they?
That would just make them all separate species, but part of the same genus as humans, in the same way that wolves, dogs, coyotes and jackals can call interbreed because they are all part of the genus Canis, despite being different species within it. Humans are part of the genus Homo, where we are the species Homo Sapiens, and which also includes several other extinct species, such Homo erectus and Homo neanderthalensis (Neanderthals).

I've never heard of a half dwarf though.
They were introduced in Dark Sun, where they were known as the Mul. They were bred as a slave race and are actually taller than normal humans, as well as physically stronger and hardier. They were usually hairless (or at least had little hair) in Dark Sun, though, since dwarves in that setting were actually depicted as being completely bald. They were also sterile and had a tendency to kill their mothers at birth, for no real reason than just because Dark Sun was grimdark like that.

Fourth edition later gave them a more setting neutral background in Dragon Magazine #391, while keeping the basic flavor of them being a bred slave race (and adding the caveat that Dwarves dislike them because of their human heritage). They are a great choice for martial classes, and better than, in some respects, the two alternatives, half-orcs (who are stereotypically ugly, not as strong physically, and, in most settings, subject to discrimination) and Half-giants (which, with the right build, can be quite OP).

Edit: It seems a lot of settings have their own half-dwarves. Mul are just the most well known.
 
I assume they expected big sales because both have some popularity and grog/nerd appreciation (especially spelljammer). same reason they whored out ravenloft.
If the book isn't out yet, the sales data won't be in yet. I assume they're counting pre-orders or social media engaugement.

The progressive crowd is really, really anal when it comes to respecting the rights of creators and artists over that of corporations.
Since when? From Five Nights at Freddy's to Star Wars, they love when popular IPs are taken from their original "problematic" creators and handed over to soulless corpos who will bend the knee appease the outrage mobs of Twitter and Reddit.
 
Since when? From Five Nights at Freddy's to Star Wars, they love when popular IPs are taken from their original "problematic" creators and handed over to soulless corpos who will bend the knee appease the outrage mobs of Twitter and Reddit.
Only when it is a good look for them. Difference with those IP's compared to Dragonlance is that one of Dragonlance's creators is a woman and she is raising hell over being shafted by WotC. Because Weis is higher up on the progressive stack due to the sole fact that she is a woman means that the progressive D&D crowd have to not take the side of the soulless corporation for once unless they look like traitors to the progressive cause for not defending a female creator.
 
I assume they expected big sales because both have some popularity and grog/nerd appreciation (especially spelljammer). same reason they whored out ravenloft.
They also didn't get that the old fans liked Ravenloft the way it was.

The 3.0/3.5 stuff for Ravenloft wasn't that popular due to Arthaus jerking off all over it.

That 5.0 killed itself with progressive shit doesn't surprise me.

When I saw a sidebar in the book telling the GM not to allow his players to mock the autist with either their characters or at the table because it isn't nice to make fun of waterhead downy fucks.
 
They also didn't get that the old fans liked Ravenloft the way it was.

The 3.0/3.5 stuff for Ravenloft wasn't that popular due to Arthaus jerking off all over it.

That 5.0 killed itself with progressive shit doesn't surprise me.

When I saw a sidebar in the book telling the GM not to allow his players to mock the autist with either their characters or at the table because it isn't nice to make fun of waterhead downy fucks.
The 3E installments weren't great, but they were a hell of a lot closer to original Ravenloft than 5E. Between that and the godawful 5E/Legend of the Five Rings crossover (which was pants on head retarded)... it's like they're completely unable to conceive of worldbuilding that doesn't fit into their little headspace.
 
When I saw a sidebar in the book telling the GM not to allow his players to mock the autist with either their characters or at the table because it isn't nice to make fun of waterhead downy fucks.
Oh God, don't tell the employees of WotC that the original Fallout games had the retard playthroughs where you can be a retard and everyone in the game made fun of you for it.

This is what I mean about WotC trying to control the way players play the game. "Don't you dare mock the retard or be a racist!" It reminds me of those playground monitors in grade school. It's so childish and it just stomps out creativity.
 
Oh man, after several days of going through two hundred odd pages of this, and I especially hunted down my log in details for this account just to comment for you wonderful autists. God bless whoever linked the Beast: The Primordial review, as I only had a rough idea of what it was regarding. And I need to sperg out, because goddamn, Onyx Path are the gift that keep on giving.

For one, Black Hat Matt turned out to be a diddler? Among other things? As a former RPG.netter, I am shocked I tell you, shocked, that someone so strongly standing up for the troons loves to touch kiddies and bitch at his fanbase.

The FATAL and Friends review is fantastic for this, because even without the comparisons of original vs. Kickstarter versions, you can see not only how mask off these people are, but how goddamn confident and fucked they are with their morality. And being so mask off that their idea of progress is so fucking damning. It legitimately baffles me how you can be so retarded to write something like this, and expect it to be treated as a good thing. But even more so that some people did stand up for this.

"So, how about a game where children find out they're 'not normal' end up killing their parents, running off with their 'real Family(tm)' to discover who they truly were supposed to be, who are loved by everyone and cannot be blamed for anything they do? In fact, they're brave and stunning for every child they molest, person they murder or woman they stalk?

How about we add mechanics for how invading women's spaces feeds and powers their hunger, which if they don't indulge it, goes after anyone it can?"

You already get the blatant troon vibes, but then the author outright states that yes, this is the intention. Beasts are intended to be trannies and Muslims. Not only does he think this way about them, as a 'good ally', but you're expected to also agree with this. Of course, it goes missing during the KS updates.

It realy does baffle me that someone would write this, and this isn't intended to be taken as some kind of sneaky expose of the progressives. It's even more shocking to me that this is what some people consider to be 'good activism'.

And to top it all off, I finally read about Monsterhearts. What a shock, another indie darling is about children fucking, being a victim, and having a table of people playing pretend fucking with each other in weird incestuous thruples.

Rate me MATI, but I really am having a moment here after reading this. The fact that something like 5e is so popular, my only alternative for anything new to really get my teeth into is stuff like this, or PbtA really is such a fuckin' blackpill. The state of my one true hobby.
 
Oh man, after several days of going through two hundred odd pages of this, and I especially hunted down my log in details for this account just to comment for you wonderful autists. God bless whoever linked the Beast: The Primordial review, as I only had a rough idea of what it was regarding. And I need to sperg out, because goddamn, Onyx Path are the gift that keep on giving.

For one, Black Hat Matt turned out to be a diddler? Among other things? As a former RPG.netter, I am shocked I tell you, shocked, that someone so strongly standing up for the troons loves to touch kiddies and bitch at his fanbase.

The FATAL and Friends review is fantastic for this, because even without the comparisons of original vs. Kickstarter versions, you can see not only how mask off these people are, but how goddamn confident and fucked they are with their morality. And being so mask off that their idea of progress is so fucking damning. It legitimately baffles me how you can be so retarded to write something like this, and expect it to be treated as a good thing. But even more so that some people did stand up for this.

"So, how about a game where children find out they're 'not normal' end up killing their parents, running off with their 'real Family(tm)' to discover who they truly were supposed to be, who are loved by everyone and cannot be blamed for anything they do? In fact, they're brave and stunning for every child they molest, person they murder or woman they stalk?

How about we add mechanics for how invading women's spaces feeds and powers their hunger, which if they don't indulge it, goes after anyone it can?"

You already get the blatant troon vibes, but then the author outright states that yes, this is the intention. Beasts are intended to be trannies and Muslims. Not only does he think this way about them, as a 'good ally', but you're expected to also agree with this. Of course, it goes missing during the KS updates.

It realy does baffle me that someone would write this, and this isn't intended to be taken as some kind of sneaky expose of the progressives. It's even more shocking to me that this is what some people consider to be 'good activism'.

And to top it all off, I finally read about Monsterhearts. What a shock, another indie darling is about children fucking, being a victim, and having a table of people playing pretend fucking with each other in weird incestuous thruples.

Rate me MATI, but I really am having a moment here after reading this. The fact that something like 5e is so popular, my only alternative for anything new to really get my teeth into is stuff like this, or PbtA really is such a fuckin' blackpill. The state of my one true hobby.
I dunno if Black Hat Matt was a kiddie diddler. I do know he got turfed from RPGnet for sexual harassment, and it is my strong opinion that the staff there ran interference for him till it got too noisy to block out.
 
I dunno if Black Hat Matt was a kiddie diddler. I do know he got turfed from RPGnet for sexual harassment, and it is my strong opinion that the staff there ran interference for him till it got too noisy to block out.
I really don't doubt it. Considering he was accused, never denied it, and Beast's entire shtick was him writing about young kids running away, and even included a child molester as a hero? I'm starting to see some connections. RPG.net, like most places, are incestuous pits of that kind of covering for each other.
 
When I saw a sidebar in the book telling the GM not to allow his players to mock the autist with either their characters or at the table because it isn't nice to make fun of waterhead downy fucks.
Yet more proof that the author has never played a tabletop RPG in his or her fucking life. Christ, I'm glad I skipped 5 entirely....

In fact, they're brave and stunning for every child they molest, person they murder or woman they stalk?
I knew Beast was a trashfire, but it actually incentivizes noncery?!

Reject Beast. Embrace Deviant.
 
Yet more proof that the author has never played a tabletop RPG in his or her fucking life. Christ, I'm glad I skipped 5 entirely....


I knew Beast was a trashfire, but it actually incentivizes noncery?!

Reject Beast. Embrace Deviant.

It's a long read, but well worth it. You can feel the frustration.

It doesn't outright state it, but this being a World of Darkness game, you can custom tailor your 'feeding' to some extent. The game doesn't stop you from making someone who feeds off stalking little boys.

But in the supplement, it has a a canon kiddy diddler Beast. The book makes sure to constantly state Beasts are not bad guys.

It doesn't help that later on, after all this, the book just straight up says 'Yeah, Beasts are supposed to be troons and Muslims. They're outsiders, you just need to like, learn lessons from them, wypeepo."

EDIT: Ironically, I hadn't heard of Deviant until reading this. I expected much worse from the title. I was pleasantly surprised to find it was basically World of Darkness: Double Cross or Galerians.
 
It doesn't outright state it, but this being a World of Darkness game, you can custom tailor your 'feeding' to some extent. The game doesn't stop you from making someone who feeds off stalking little boys.
Ehhhh, that remains at Trashfire rather than full Pedo. Still bad.
But in the supplement, it has a a canon kiddy diddler Beast. The book makes sure to constantly state Beasts are not bad guys.
Still typical White Wolf there, honestly. Not the first time it had a kiddy diddler character either. Go look up the Black Dog game "Hol" One of the character templates is for a pedophile monk.
It doesn't help that later on, after all this, the book just straight up says 'Yeah, Beasts are supposed to be troons and Muslims. They're outsiders, you just need to like, learn lessons from them, wypeepo."

EDIT: Ironically, I hadn't heard of Deviant until reading this. I expected much worse from the title. I was pleasantly surprised to find it was basically World of Darkness: Double Cross or Galerians.
Oh yea, Deviant is one of the better games lately, very customizable even in it's bad guys.
 
Speaking of recent stuff, has there been anything with the last couple months, year even, that is worth looking into? Been really getting into my RPGs again recently, but the only people I really know at the moment who are interested just play 5e or CoC.
 

It's a long read, but well worth it. You can feel the frustration.

It doesn't outright state it, but this being a World of Darkness game, you can custom tailor your 'feeding' to some extent. The game doesn't stop you from making someone who feeds off stalking little boys.

But in the supplement, it has a a canon kiddy diddler Beast. The book makes sure to constantly state Beasts are not bad guys.

It doesn't help that later on, after all this, the book just straight up says 'Yeah, Beasts are supposed to be troons and Muslims. They're outsiders, you just need to like, learn lessons from them, wypeepo."

EDIT: Ironically, I hadn't heard of Deviant until reading this. I expected much worse from the title. I was pleasantly surprised to find it was basically World of Darkness: Double Cross or Galerians.
Speaking WoD has anyone played Genius? it looks really fucking fun, and the core concept is really cool, but its a fan game so I have to wonder.
 
So I just found out Savage Worlds Pathfinder exists. It got me quite excited.


I have no interest in Garglemandalorian or whatever the base Pathfinder setting is called. What entices me about this is that it works as a wonderful conversion kit for any DnD 3.5 content to Savage Worlds. That's excellent to me. I wanna see if I can get Dark Sun or Ravenloft working in this.

As an aside, anyone else have nostalga for Game Geek's Kurt Wiegel? When I first got into RPGs over 13 years ago, I was watching his videos for all the RPGs he was talking about. It got me interested in all the different games other than DnD that I preceded to never ever find any groups for. I'm glad to see he's still around even if he looks more and more like a middle class caveman by the hour.
 
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