Tabletop Roleplaying Games (D&D, Pathfinder, CoC, ETC.)

[The Ugly One]

The big titty dragon gf art in 4e just looked weird. IIRC the objections were more autistic, "I thought dragons laid eggs, why would they have mammary glands." There's very, very little official 5e dragonborn art.

 

[Corn Flakes]

The big titty dragon gf art in 4e just looked weird. IIRC the objections were more autistic, "I thought dragons laid eggs, why would they have mammary glands." There's very, very little official 5e dragonborn art.

You should see the arguments furries have on whether or not dragonborn have tails. Even though the PHB makes it clear they don't have tails, these people stop just short of pistols at dawn when it comes to it.

 

[Ghostse]

The big titty dragon gf art in 4e just looked weird. IIRC the objections were more autistic, "I thought dragons laid eggs, why would they have mammary glands." There's very, very little official 5e dragonborn art.

Well because of the mammal half, duh.

I agree though; I am pro-sexy ladies in my RPG art but it wasn't just that they were lizards with tits, but every single one had big mommy milkers.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Ahem...

Dragonborne come from the character Dragonbait, from Curse of the Azure Bonds, featuring Alias and the Nameless and culminating in Moander creating Moander's Road toward Myth Drannor.

Dragonborne ORIGINALLY were from another dimension, brought into Forgotten Realms through the machinations of the various bad guys. I believe it was Moander who destroyed Dragonbait's homeworld and tried to tempt the Dragonborne Paladin with the return of his beloved.

Originally, Dragonborne communicated through smells and pantomime.

Everyone just wanted to play one really bad. They had very little advantages.

They also had live birth and nursing, so... mammary glands.

The ones that could breath fire were the dragonkin from Krynn, some of whom could use dragon breath weapons.

A little tidbit about that: The dragonlance war, the evil side turned all the good dragon eggs to the dragonkin and held the rest hostage.

But, I can't expect these fucking Reddit and Twitter retards to know about the Curse of the Azure Bonds or the War of the Lance.

Because they're faggots.

 

[The Ugly One]

I'm just glad to know my big titty dragon gf fantasy was actually canon all along.

 

[Judge Dredd]

You should see the arguments furries have on whether or not dragonborn have tails. Even though the PHB makes it clear they don't have tails, these people stop just short of pistols at dawn when it comes to it.

Wings, tails, and especially dark vision.

From what I understand, in 4e they could get wings as they leveled. One thing I like about PathFinder 2e is that races get new feats as they level. There's already a few racial feats in 5e, but not enough to make a difference.

I am pro-sexy ladies in my RPG art but it wasn't just that they were lizards with tits, but every single one had big mommy milkers.

Based?

Curse of the Azure Bonds

Never heard of this. That cover art though.

I'm noticing a theme...

I didn't know dragonborn had such a deep history. I'd always heard they were retconned into the lore with the grace and subtly of a nuclear bomb made of sledgehammers.

I can't expect these fucking Reddit and Twitter retards to know about the Curse of the Azure Bonds or the War of the Lance.

I don't know much about DragonLance either. I came into the hobby fairly late. People seem to love it, but also blame it for ruining DnD. I know WotC tried to not publish the recent books due to being problematic, but not much more than that.

 

[40 Year Old Boomer]

The ones that could breath fire were the dragonkin from Krynn, some of whom could use dragon breath weapons.

A little tidbit about that: The dragonlance war, the evil side turned all the good dragon eggs to the dragonkin and held the rest hostage.

I've always viewed dragonborn as Great Value brand Draconians (which I don't recall having breath weapons) and one of the few good things to come from the setting. Don Perrin's stories and books gave them way more depth than any post AD&D supplement ever gave dragonborn.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Wings, tails, and especially dark vision.

From what I understand, in 4e they could get wings as they leveled. One thing I like about PathFinder 2e is that races get new feats as they level. There's already a few racial feats in 5e, but not enough to make a difference.


Based?


Never heard of this. That cover art though.
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I'm noticing a theme...

I didn't know dragonborn had such a deep history. I'd always heard they were retconned into the lore with the grace and subtly of a nuclear bomb made of sledgehammers.

Fun thing about her top, in the book after Curse of the Azure bonds, she actually could have replaced her chainmail top but kept it because it provided more protection to that bare flesh than magic plate armor provided a warrior's chest.

Mechanically, at one point it was listed as +5 chainmail.

And a lot of people don't remember that Dragonkin came in during 1E/2E.

Hell, I'm just going off of memory and I can remember a few drawings of big tittied dragon bitches with warm blooded mammal mega-milkers.

Oh, and Dragonborne DO have tails. Official artwork for Curse as well as the video game all showed him with a tail.

So people who claim they don't are all Jodie Come Lately faggots.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Ahem...

Dragonborne come from the character Dragonbait, from Curse of the Azure Bonds, featuring Alias and the Nameless and culminating in Moander creating Moander's Road toward Myth Drannor.

Dragonborne ORIGINALLY were from another dimension, brought into Forgotten Realms through the machinations of the various bad guys. I believe it was Moander who destroyed Dragonbait's homeworld and tried to tempt the Dragonborne Paladin with the return of his beloved.

Originally, Dragonborne communicated through smells and pantomime.

Everyone just wanted to play one really bad. They had very little advantages.

They also had live birth and nursing, so... mammary glands.

The ones that could breath fire were the dragonkin from Krynn, some of whom could use dragon breath weapons.

A little tidbit about that: The dragonlance war, the evil side turned all the good dragon eggs to the dragonkin and held the rest hostage.

But, I can't expect these fucking Reddit and Twitter retards to know about the Curse of the Azure Bonds or the War of the Lance.

Because they're faggots.

Is that what WotC is saying now? Because that is a massive fucking retcon. Dragonbait, and his people, were saurials -- basically, sapient bipedal dinosaur creatures. The draconians that you referenced from Dragonlance were closer to dragonborn.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Is that what WotC is saying now? Because that is a massive fucking retcon. Dragonbait, and his people, were saurials

They retconned saurials into Dragonkin/Dragonborne way back in the late 1990's, right around 3E. There were ENWorld flamewars over it, which were fun to poke with a stick. Nutkinland in particular went full of 10,000 foot arm flamewar over it.

Or did they retcon the retcon so they could retcon that retcon into their new retcon?

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

They retconned saurials into Dragonkin/Dragonborne way back in the late 1990's, right around 3E. There were ENWorld flamewars over it, which were fun to poke with a stick. Nutkinland in particular went full of 10,000 foot arm flamewar over it.

Or did they retcon the retcon so they could retcon that retcon into their new retcon?

Fucked if I know, but that's such a stupid decision I could see WotC doing it.

It's odd, because if I'm not mistaken dragonborn first showed up in the 3E 'Races of the Dragon' supplement, where they were the result of a weird transformation of an existing humanoid. That at least explained the odd proportions as being leftover from the transformation from being an elf, human, dwarf, etc.

 

[The Ugly One]

I don't know much about DragonLance either. I came into the hobby fairly late. People seem to love it, but also blame it for ruining DnD. I know WotC tried to not publish the recent books due to being problematic, but not much more than that.

Dragonlance introduced the "adventure path" style of adventure and had novel tie ins. People who hate that kind of gaming hate it, but it was a huge boost to D&D's sales.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

My players are trying to convince me to build a new campaign setting since it looks like the rob, loot, steal, and hustle campaign might be coming to an end that they're really happy with.

Get this fucking brainstorm.

Use the old 2E "Creative Campaign" guides. LIke the Guide to Elves and shit.

Use shit like this: https://www.amazon.com/Builders-Guidebook-Advanced-Dungeons-Dragons/dp/0786904348

Build a campaign setting.

One that uses all the 1E Pathfinder stuff, since there won't be more errata or more books. Use the 1E/2E AD&D rules we all agreed on to nerf casters slightly.

But build them a fucking campaign setting.

"Yeah, but you made an entire TTRPG, surely this can't be that bad!"



But part of me wants to do it.

Start with creation myths, build the Gods, then just see what happens.

I did tell them that if I build a campaign setting, the first motherfucker who wants to go to Golarion are Faeruen gets a fucking cinderblock to the face.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

So I grabbed the Hard Wired Island pdf (many thanks, @Pendulous Dong ) and started reading.

I feel like Alton Brown in that episode of Hot Ones. 'I could fix this.' Seriously, some of the concepts and mechanics aren't that bad. But the execution is godawful and the simping for 'duhstroy capitalism!!11' is incredibly inane.

 

[I'mma real anime gurl]

So I grabbed the Hard Wired Island pdf (many thanks, @Pendulous Dong ) and started reading.

I feel like Alton Brown in that episode of Hot Ones. 'I could fix this.' Seriously, some of the concepts and mechanics aren't that bad. But the execution is godawful and the simping for 'duhstroy capitalism!!11' is incredibly inane.

I had the idea to lean into the retro future and make the megacorps into 80s companies and introduce Psionics

 

[Ghostse]

From what I understand, in 4e they could get wings as they leveled. One thing I like about PathFinder 2e is that races get new feats as they level. There's already a few racial feats in 5e, but not enough to make a difference.

It was possible;
In 4e there were 3 tiers: Heroic (1-10) Paragon (11-20) Epic (21-30). When you get to Paragon you choose a Paragon Path, which gives you additional powers, abilities, and bonuses, same for Epic. (technically you were to choose these at creation but fuck making someone lock in that early).
In PHB1, you picked your paragon path based on your class, PHB2 introduced Racial Paragon paths. One of the Dragonborn racial paths included growing Wings and having a fly speed.

 

[anti SJW]

 

[Peasant]

Second, all of the focus is on fairly upper and middle class things to do. Grittier places like abandoned subway platforms and hideout slums are only mentioned in passing. The sorts of things that tend to be relevant in a cyberpunk game. It's barely even explained as to why such places would exist at all in a planned city. Instead we get pages and pages full of law firms, museums, tourist traps, and even parks; things that cater to upper-middle class sensibilities.

The obvious answer would be that the city's designers anticipated that poverty and homelessness would invariably be a problem, so they included an undercity in the plans and crammed it full of cheap commie blocks. The only purpose of such a thing is to serve as a grease trap for society's dregs, so no-one in the crystal spires gives a shit about what goes on down there, making it a playground for criminals.

Of course that's just how I would write it.

 

[Ghostse]

The obvious answer would be that the city's designers anticipated that poverty and homelessness would invariably be a problem, so they included an undercity in the plans and crammed it full of cheap commie blocks. The only purpose of such a thing is to serve as a grease trap for society's dregs, so no-one in the crystal spires gives a shit about what goes on down there, making it a playground for criminals.

Of course that's just how I would write it.

That makes me think of the Babylon 5 episode where Ivanova takes the Darwinist Alien on a tour of the station and he isn't impressed until he sees the the slums and admires the brilliance of a self-segregating oppressed workforce.

 

[EnemyStand]

I have a massive bone to pick with this diet Communist Space Portland RPG: why are so many NPCs nerds or nerd adjacent? Sure sure, write what you know but it seems like the idiots that wrote that game don't realize nerds are just a fraction of the population. All of them have the exact same hobbies, all of them have some kind of Current Year gig job...come on. Where are the street docs or shady lawyers that'll work with criminals? How about the beaten down, cynical cops who are willing to turn a blind eye to our heroes in exchange for enough money to get his kids some new luxury? Where are the bums, the strippers, the club kids? Or...and this is the big one: the rich kid who's willing to work with the dregs of society due to a fusion of fuckyoudaditis and wanting to slum it?

I'm just saying, there's a lot of people in the world and all the NPCs are some flavor of "good with computers and being a streamer."