Tabletop Roleplaying Games (D&D, Pathfinder, CoC, ETC.)

[Hummingbird]

Is there any tabletop game these days that isn't getting possed?

I suggest Deadlands or Kobalds Ate My Baby.

 

[knightlautrec]

Apparently Blessed of The Traveler: Queer Gender Identity in Eberron was in the top 3% best sellers on DMGuild. I don't know who has been buying it because it's yet to be shared by anyone on any chan thread. If it's a best seller I have little hope for DMGuild material going forward.

Funnily enough I saw tranny whatshisname attajakka whatever the fuck shilling this on reddit and the comments were mostly negative and full of 'why would you need this? You can literally be a Changling'

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Thanks for the reminder. I knew I was forgetting something.

Well, that was... godawful. Even worse than I expected.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Thanks for the reminder. I knew I was forgetting something.

Reading that garbage was ten minutes of my life I know I will never get back.

atamajakki is an utterly untalented hack and a whiny troon, also grass is green, the sky is blue, and Liberace was very very gay.

 

[Lithos]

Errr...

The dwarves of the Mror Holds throw elaborate parties when an individual in their clan comes out, with as many distant relations as possible coming to celebrate the “new addition” as they are formally added to the family rosters. No expense is spared in these events, and most often gift jewelry (especially in the form of beard and hair ornaments) to the celebrant.

You would think that if people are readily celebrating coming out, that everyone would say "I'm trans!" Seems to speak volumes in that they want to be the center of attention and be showered in gifts just because they don't want to work the forge.

Seems like this is what they want:

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Reading that garbage was ten minutes of my life I know I will never get back.

atamajakki is an utterly untalented hack and a whiny troon, also grass is green, the sky is blue, and Liberace was very very gay.

Yeah.

Here, let me s summarize that pamphlet for anyone who wants to save themselves ten minutes and some sanity:

Every race in Ebberon completely supports transgender people and finds them completely awesome and totally understands them and encourages them, there is no opposition to transgender people from any religion or organization in Eberron, and many legends of famous heroes are about how they discovered they were really a woman while they killed a dragon or some such. Oh, and a 1st level transmutation spell that can be cast by most spellcasters can permanently change your gender to whatever the fuck you want, despite Polymorph being a 4th level transmutation spell with a duration of 1 hour.

By the by, the PHB suggests that having an NPC cast a 1st level spell should cost 10-50 gp. Virtually any class except the Monk is almost guaranteed to start out with enough money to purchase even a 50gp spell. Which basically negates the whole "trans" thing in the first place if changing your gender is about as big a decision as buying a different t-shirt. Which means you can't have "My goal is to adventure my way into finding a way to transition!" be a viable character motivation.

And since there is no opposition anywhere to transgender people, you can't roleplay any sort of drama from that angle without negotiating it with the GM ahead of time.

So in conclusion, the entire book is basically saying "You can't meaningfully roleplay anything even approaching a real-world transgender scenario, because it just doesn't exist in my imaginary magical utopia."

In other words, it is useless even for it's stated purpose.

 

[Lithos]

Yeah.

Here, let me s summarize that pamphlet for anyone who wants to save themselves ten minutes and some sanity:



By the by, the PHB suggests that having an NPC cast a 1st level spell should cost 10-50 gp. Virtually any class except the Monk is almost guaranteed to start out with enough money to purchase even a 50gp spell. Which basically negates the whole "trans" thing in the first place if changing your gender is about as big a decision as buying a different t-shirt. Which means you can't have "My goal is to adventure my way into finding a way to transition!" be a viable character motivation.

And since there is no opposition anywhere to transgender people, you can't roleplay any sort of drama from that angle without negotiating it with the GM ahead of time.

So in conclusion, the entire book is basically saying "You can't meaningfully roleplay anything even approaching a real-world transgender scenario, because it just doesn't exist in my imaginary magical utopia."

In other words, it is useless even for it's stated purpose.

In two of the MMOs I've played, one underwent a revision, the other had the option of changing race/gender through the store. In the former, in the game's old reddit, they asked if there would be trans representation in the new engine. The latter members of a guild made characters of one gender and paid the cash shop for the token and wrote "that's how they became trans". Both instances said that playing the games as trans would, and I'm not joking, "Help them through a healing process." I've yet to comprehend what that means. They paid for a virtual gender reassignment? Paid. Money. For. Pixels. To. Undergo. GRS...

Edit: Oh, and this from that Eberron pamphlet.

MAGIC ITEM: AMULET OF TRUE FACE Wondrous item, common An amulet of true face refers to any of a dizzying variety of unobtrusive pieces of enchanted jewelry, most commonly a small Eberron dragonshard on a thin necklace chain, but sometimes in the form of an unobtrusive ring or bracelet instead. Upon donning the item and concentrating for a moment, the wearer has a limited form of disguise self cast upon them, causing them to look like themself but more masculine, feminine, or androgynous (wearer’s choice, decided each time it’s activated).

That could be a hilarious plot point. Your beefy grunting barbarian puts the thing on, becomes a delicate woman, then proceeds to get made fun of by the party for the rest of the adventure.

 

[Adamska]

Funnily enough I saw tranny whatshisname attajakka whatever the fuck shilling this on reddit and the comments were mostly negative and full of 'why would you need this? You can literally be a Changling'

The politics these tards are shilling dies the instant you can just use something like this to make the problem go away forever. Which is why you know they just want to pretend that they play these games or if they did, they were the fuckers you booted from the table for being perverts.

You can't actually lie about comic sales as there's only one comic distributor (who loves to fuck over comic book stores because of it). The only thing a comic book company can do is lie about electronic sales. There's a good reason why comic book stores keep these on the shelves, they can't send things back as that cuts into their profit as they have to pay for the shipping and also the processing. It's why they never complain about extra things being sent to them that never paid for, they just add it to the shelves.

So they're lying about sales, because I don't count shipments.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Seems to speak volumes in that they want to be the center of attention and be showered in gifts just because they don't want to work the forge.

Basically.

Look, it might go against board culture a bit to not incessantly mock the troons, but I'm fundamentally sympathetic to what I'll call - for lack of a better term - "real" trans people. I've known a couple for years and years, and in my experience, the vast majority of them up until ~5 years ago or so just wanted to be whatever they transitioned to. They weren't in it for the "transness" of it. Being a "trans-whatever" wasn't the end goal, being a whatever was. And they worked pretty hard at it, most of them.

Now it's all weird. Weirder. A "transwoman", and I use that term generously, who posts a picture of themselves wearing bad makeup, a cheap wig, and wearing size-too-small, ten-years-too-young fashion will get legions of similar freaks posting endless compliments about how "gorgeous" and "cute" they look, and how they're all lesbians and hot for each other and whatever-the-shit, despite the fact they all look like men with bad makeup in ill-fitting women's clothing. And if you don't accept their consensual delusion, you're the problem, not them for making a mockery of both the gender they claim to want to be, and the struggle they claim to be undergoing.

And that's what it comes down to - Most "trans women" these days don't really want to be women. Most "trans men" these days don't really want to be men. They want to be trans. Any other gender identifier is secondary.

 

[Adamska]

Basically.

Look, it might go against board culture a bit to not incessantly mock the troons, but I'm fundamentally sympathetic to what I'll call - for lack of a better term - "real" trans people. I've known a couple for years and years, and in my experience, the vast majority of them up until ~5 years ago or so just wanted to be whatever they transitioned to. They weren't in it for the "transness" of it. Being a "trans-whatever" wasn't the end goal, being a whatever was. And they worked pretty hard at it, most of them.

Now it's all weird. Weirder. A "transwoman", and I use that term generously, who posts a picture of themselves wearing bad makeup, a cheap wig, and wearing size-too-small, ten-years-too-young fashion will get legions of similar freaks posting endless compliments about how "gorgeous" and "cute" they look, and how they're all lesbians and hot for each other and whatever-the-shit, despite the fact they all look like men with bad makeup in ill-fitting women's clothing. And if you don't accept their consensual delusion, you're the problem, not them for making a mockery of both the gender they claim to want to be, and the struggle they claim to be undergoing.

And that's what it comes down to - Most "trans women" these days don't really want to be women. Most "trans men" these days don't really want to be men. They want to be trans. Any other gender identifier is secondary.

Honestly, this is probably a pretty common opinion on the board and about where I am on the matter. Hell, this place had and probably still has a decent trans population, which is partially why the vitriol gets so hot. These sex perverts with a cross dressing fetish make them look stupid and the perverts laughable. Hence the La Zorra subboard.

Anyways, back to the reason transitioning don't work in this setting. It's just there's not much of an ability to represent transitioning if you can just get a magic item or potion to make yourself your ideal for what is actually a pretty cheap potion by adventuring standards. Like yeah, a commoner or a low level player wouldn't be able to immediately, but its existence makes transness inherently not-viable since a genuine Dysphoric would try and find a way to get said item or potion (which is at worst like 2k a pop). Special snowflakes can just take a Changeling as mentioned.

 

[Gingervitis]

Honestly, this is probably a pretty common opinion on the board and about where I am on the matter. Hell, this place had and probably still has a decent trans population, which is partially why the vitriol gets so hot. These sex perverts with a cross dressing fetish make them look stupid and the perverts laughable. Hence the La Zorra subboard.

Anyways, back to the reason transitioning don't work in this setting. It's just there's not much of an ability to represent transitioning if you can just get a magic item or potion to make yourself your ideal for what is actually a pretty cheap potion by adventuring standards. Like yeah, a commoner or a low level player wouldn't be able to immediately, but its existence makes transness inherently not-viable since a genuine Dysphoric would try and find a way to get said item or potion (which is at worst like 2k a pop). Special snowflakes can just take a Changeling as mentioned.

Unless I’m wrong, Im pretty sure two of the mods/admins are trans

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Anyways, back to the reason transitioning don't work in this setting. It's just there's not much of an ability to represent transitioning if you can just get a magic item or potion to make yourself your ideal for what is actually a pretty cheap potion by adventuring standards. Like yeah, a commoner or a low level player wouldn't be able to immediately, but its existence makes transness inherently not-viable since a genuine Dysphoric would try and find a way to get said item or potion (which is at worst like 2k a pop). Special snowflakes can just take a Changeling as mentioned.

That's kind of what I was trying to get at, but got distracted.

In a setting where changing your sex is no harder than buying a new set of clothes, and is universally accepted by every culture, it wouldn't be "a thing". That's why I say this book fails even for it's presumed target audience, if you think about it for even a second. The only reason "trans" is a thing is because it's not easy. It's expensive, it's time consuming, the results are imperfect at best, it alienates you from society, it comes with social and medical risks, etc etc etc. If you could go to Walgreens, pay a hundred bucks for a pill, and tomorrow wake up as the opposite sex? And nobody would say boo about it? We wouldn't even really have a concept of "transgender" being a thing, societally. You wouldn't be considered "queer", or in any other way special or remarkable. Nobody would talk about your brave struggle. There would be no kudos, no oppression points, no support groups, no coming out parties, no nothing. You would be as interesting to anyone else as someone who got a new hairstyle. Maybe something close friends talked about for a couple days, at best.

But no, here we have a whole book gushing and spurting about how TOTALLY AWESOME AND ACCEPTED AND WONDERFUL AND LEGENDARY trans people are.

 

[Adamska]

That's kind of what I was trying to get at, but got distracted.

In a setting where changing your sex is no harder than buying a new set of clothes, and is universally accepted by every culture, it wouldn't be "a thing". That's why I say this book fails even for it's presumed target audience, if you think about it for even a second. The only reason "trans" is a thing is because it's not easy. It's expensive, it's time consuming, the results are imperfect at best, it alienates you from society, it comes with social and medical risks, etc etc etc. If you could go to Walgreens, pay a hundred bucks for a pill, and tomorrow wake up as the opposite sex? And nobody would say boo about it? We wouldn't even really have a concept of "transgender" being a thing, societally. You wouldn't be considered "queer", or in any other way special or remarkable. Nobody would talk about your brave struggle. There would be no kudos, no oppression points, no support groups, no coming out parties, no nothing. You would be as interesting to anyone else as someone who got a new hairstyle. Maybe something close friends talked about for a couple days, at best.

But no, here we have a whole book gushing and spurting about how TOTALLY AWESOME AND ACCEPTED AND WONDERFUL AND LEGENDARY trans people are.

I mean, there'd be a bit of a journey to get to the goal of being a man or woman, since 2,250 gp (the price of said potion) is a lord's sum for many in the setting (Commoners most often handle silver or copper, with gold being the equivalent of benjamins usually). Your average commoner ain't getting that outside of luck, going adventuring, or banditry, but the thing about fantasy is you can still make it happen if you try hard enough or get lucky. Adventurers can get the situation solved and be the woman or man they were supposed to be by level 3 for example. But that's the thing, staying transgender and said support groups isn't going to be a thing in this world since the transperson would just murderhobo their way into getting that fixed.

Hell, no punishment for swapping back beyond the price for the potion too so if the potion didn't cure what ailed you, then you can just take it again to fix it. So in the world of Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms, or whatever the fuck you want the T in LGBT doesn't exist beyond a quick adventure that might become a popular bard's tale if it's neat enough.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

I mean, there'd be a bit of a journey to get to the goal of being a man or woman, since 2,250 gp (the price of said potion) is a lord's sum for many in the setting (Commoners most often handle silver or copper, with gold being the equivalent of benjamins usually).

Or they can just find any low-level wizard, bard, cleric, or druid to have them cast the 1st level, permanent spell on them.

According to the 5e PHB...

Hiring someone to cast a relatively common spell of 1st or 2nd level, such as cure wounds or identify, is easy enough in a city or town, and might cost 10 to 50 gold pieces.

No need for a potion. The material components are "a lump of wet clay and a small amount of powdered dragonshard", which is I guess an Eberron thing (God I hate Ebberon), but no cost is listed.

 

[Adamska]

Or they can just find any low-level wizard, bard, cleric, or druid to have them cast the 1st level, permanent spell on them.

According to the 5e PHB...



No need for a potion. The material components are "a lump of wet clay and a small amount of powdered dragonshard", which is I guess an Eberron thing (God I hate Ebberon), but no cost is listed.

Honestly you need a 5th level caster though for permanency purposes, since Alter Self (the spell you're thinking of) only lasts 10 min/level. It's why that potion requires 9th level casters to make it; it splices alter-self and permanency with a focus on shifting gender.

But again, that's not insurmountable; while 9th levels aren't the most common people to find, you can probably find one willing to do it.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Honestly you need a 5th level caster though for permanency purposes, since Alter Self (the spell you're thinking of) only lasts 10 min/level. It's why that potion requires 9th level casters to make it; it splices alter-self and permanency with a focus on shifting gender.

But again, that's not insurmountable; while 9th levels aren't the most common people to find, you can probably find one willing to do it.

No no, it's a new spell in the pamphlet we're ripping on.

CORPOREAL COMFORT

1st-level transmutation

Casting Time: 1 hour (ritual)
Range: Self or Touch
Components: V S M (a fistful of wet clay, a small amount of powdered Eberron dragonshard)
Duration: Instantaneous
Classes: Wizard, Bard, Cleric, Druid

When you cast this spell on a willing target, they are physically transformed to align with a gender identity of their choice; this can make the target more masculine, feminine, or androgynous, and can grant functional reproductive organs if the target desires. This spell does not change age or race, and does not grant any mechanical benefit.

 

[Adamska]

No no, it's a new spell in the pamphlet we're ripping on.

Oh... ohoho wow that's some very /d/m tier writing; this verifies that their victimhood is just classic That Guy antics of the perverted flavor. And this actually kills the T in LGBT in 5e worlds entirely, since my comments were entirely based on 3.5/pathfinder.

You heard it here folks; WotC made trans erasure happen, because they only need to waste an hour of time to fucking do this.

 

[BScCollateral]

Yep, that's why I roleplay. So my character can overcome trivial obstacles without repercussions of any sort.

I'll never forget the time my character bravely shaved his beard, thereby transitioning from male to slightly less hairy male. My buds and I still laugh about it, but it was genuinely moving and the high point of the campaign.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Thanks for the reminder. I knew I was forgetting something.

You should send it to mage or carse on 8ch so the file can be cleaned.

So they're lying about sales, because I don't count shipments.

When it comes to sales shipping is sales. Comic book stores only bring in what they order no more any less. I worked at a comic book store when I was heavy into collecting. Nothing has changed in a decade other than DCD sending out more useless garbage like extra toys or t-shirts that they know won't be thrown out and take up space until it's sold. Sometimes it'll be multiples of promotional materials such as preview comics or posters. It's get's to the point where you may as well look forward to what mystery is in the box like a blind bag unboxing.

 

[BlueArmedDevil]

Got my Masks of nyarlathotep in the mail finally, this slipcase is glorious.