UN Swedish Election Megathread

Big Nasty · Sep 8, 2018

I think both AfS and MED propose that Sweden should outsource the incarceration of convicted criminals to low-cost countries, effectively contracting them to run prison colonies on our behalf. The implicit statement being that this should guarantee that prisoners face much worse treatment than in the "soft" prisons system in Sweden.

My question is: Has such a system ever been implemented by any country?

ICametoLurk · Sep 8, 2018

Big Nasty said:
My question is: Has such a system ever been implemented by any country?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia

Foltest · Sep 8, 2018

With only one day until the election, more moronic polticans have been caught being shitheads:
First one, a whole bunch of SD polticans have been kicked out of the party or left their office over shits they have written on teh interwebz or too close of connection to nazism.
https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/val-2018/jonas-sjostedt-hade-mote-med-terrorkopplad-grupp/ (swedish source)
Then we have the party leader of V (the commie party) having meetings with the group DFLP. What is DFLP you ask? They are a Palestinians terrororganisation behind the Ma'lot massacre in 74, where they killed over 20 schoolchildrens and other. One of the candidates for V in Scania is also the leader of a group called Group 194 that has connection to DFLP. Via V, these groups have gotten founded with swedish taxmoney.
https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/val-2018/jonas-sjostedt-hade-mote-med-terrorkopplad-grupp/ (source in swedish)

Then we have the islamist part- I mean MP (green party) who have now fired one of their members has he tried to bribe M (conservative) with 3k votes if they would let the local islamist build a mosque. MP has a major hardon for islam and have in the past, defended Radio Islam and other horseshit like that.
https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/va...3-000-roster-till-m-kravde-bygglov-for-moske/ (source in Swedish)
https://www.expressen.se/ledare/pat...t-tar-ju-inte-sitt-islamistproblem-pa-allvar/( Source in swedish).
I can't wait for this to be over.

MidUSA · Sep 8, 2018

Sounds like business as usual for all three of those parties to be honest.

Rio · Sep 8, 2018

https://www.thelocal.se/20180907/sweden-election-misreported-abroad not sure if 100% on topic, but an interesting little article about the misrepresentation of the Swedish election in the international media

Silence of the Troons · Sep 8, 2018

Swedish youtuber En Arg Blatte Talar/Angry Foreigner recently did a livestream with Hanif Bali. I recommend it to anybody who is a fan of one or both of them (and knows Swedish):

Rio said:
https://www.thelocal.se/20180907/sweden-election-misreported-abroad not sure if 100% on topic, but an interesting little article about the misrepresentation of the Swedish election in the international media

The article writer is right. A lot of Americans and other foreigners seem to think that all of Sweden (or France, Germany et cetera) is a – to quote a post from the "US States and Countries You Wouldn't Want to Be In" thread – "Sharia law ridden shithole" because of what's happening in our no go-zones, which is as stupid as claiming that all of the United States is a "ghetto gang ridden shithole" because there are cities where jigaboo thugs are shooting each other to death. No, the very reason why Sweden is where it is today is precisely due to the fact that most of Sweden isn't governed by professional Sharia cops and for a lot of people, it was very easy until recently to ignore the growing problems in the suburbs. Even someone like Tino Sanandaji (who has been criticizing Sweden's policies on immigration and integration for years) has explicitly stated that it's not too late.

Smaug's Smokey Hole · Sep 8, 2018

Big Nasty said:
I think both AfS and MED propose that Sweden should outsource the incarceration of convicted criminals to low-cost countries, effectively contracting them to run prison colonies on our behalf. The implicit statement being that this should guarantee that prisoners face much worse treatment than in the "soft" prisons system in Sweden.

My question is: Has such a system ever been implemented by any country?

Yes, sort of. Sweden have campaigned on several occasions to get prisoners "home" to Sweden and most western countries do the same when their citizens get caught doing shit.
Foreigners convicted of crimes in Sweden have petitioned to let them serve their time at "home" and they have succeeded.

In both cases it doesn't work with the current system, that's why the idea of "we pay you - you house them" exists. Christ, I think it was a couple of years ago when one third of the people enrolled into the prison system wasn't citizens. And it's hard to get into prison here.

Prison exchanges:
The killer of Anna Lindh won't get sent to Serbia because Serbia don't want to spend the time and money on him, he's never committed a crime there anyway. The justice system finally learned that it's a bad idea, in the past they've granted people the opportunity to serve their time at home but when the plane touched down they were free to go...

On the opposite end of the spectrum we have Jackie Arklöw, a Liberian black neo-nazi from Jokkmokk, you can't even comprehend that. He worked as a mercenary in the Yugoslavian conflict and got convicted for crimes against humanity or something, concentration camps and shit... The government pleaded to let him serve his time in Sweden and I guess he seemed rehabilitated by our standards after he arrived so they let him go.

He's in for life now, in Swedish prison, for robbing a bank and executing police officers.

So, sending prisoners to other countries would only work if someone had a say in if they stay or not.

Å hej Svea!

millais · Sep 9, 2018

ICametoLurk said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia

the detention centers that Australia has set up at PNG and Nauru are for attempted illegal immigrants, not criminal citizens. It's still pretty cost effective though, from what I remember.

Keystone · Sep 9, 2018

ATaxingWoman said:
Swedish youtuber En Arg Blatte Talar/Angry Foreigner recently did a livestream with Hanif Bali. I recommend it to anybody who is a fan of one or both of them (and knows Swedish):
https://youtube.com/watch?v=sHPXKX3XaIcThe article writer is right. A lot of Americans and other foreigners seem to think that all of Sweden (or France, Germany et cetera) is a – to quote a post from the "US States and Countries You Wouldn't Want to Be In" thread – "Sharia law ridden shithole" because of what's happening in our no go-zones, which is as stupid as claiming that all of the United States is a "ghetto gang ridden shithole" because there are cities where jigaboo thugs are shooting each other to death. No, the very reason why Sweden is where it is today is precisely due to the fact that most of Sweden isn't governed by professional Sharia cops and for a lot of people, it was very easy until recently to ignore the growing problems in the suburbs. Even someone like Tino Sanandaji (who has been criticizing Sweden's policies on immigration and integration for years) has explicitly stated that it's not too late.

They ignored it for so long and let it get so bad that at this point the only way they're reversing things is if they remove kebab.

The Jumping Dwarf · Sep 9, 2018

So this is happening today. Is there any actual chance for change or is it just Muslim rape for the foreseeable future?

Big Nasty · Sep 9, 2018

millais said:
the detention centers that Australia has set up at PNG and Nauru are for attempted illegal immigrants, not criminal citizens. It's still pretty cost effective though, from what I remember.

As I understand, the idea is to have it like this:

Sovereign Country A contracts Sovereign Country B to incarcerate their prisoners for them, Country A payes for all expenses. If someone in country A commits a felony, they get sent to Random Shithole Prison in Country B where they will get shanked.

Silence of the Troons · Sep 9, 2018

:powerlevel:I have now cast my vote :powerlevel:

I went with MED for the parliament and the county council and M for the municipal council (one of my local candidates is a "degenerate" moderate just like Hanif Bali).

Foltest said:
I saw an honest to god, a NMR voting sheet for parliament. NMR is the nazi party of Sweden.

I also saw one at my polling station. My constituency is 70 % S/V/MP/Fi and pretty hipster/borderline multicultural, so it really makes you wonder why a nazi would choose to live there. I also saw voting sheets for AfS and the Christian Values party (a political party created by and for Evangelical goons).

HG 400 · Sep 9, 2018

millais said:
the detention centers that Australia has set up at PNG and Nauru are for attempted illegal immigrants, not criminal citizens. It's still pretty cost effective though, from what I remember.

No he just meant Australia. Like, the entire country of Australia.

MidUSA · Sep 9, 2018

The Jumping Dwarf said:
So this is happening today. Is there any actual chance for change or is it just Muslim rape for the foreseeable future?

Hard to say.

Sveriedemokraterna (SD) is the main party looking to seriously reduce immigration. They won't reach 50% so won't be able to do stuff unilaterally.

Presumably we'll see SD around 25% with two similarly sized coalitions; a right and a left taking the rest of the seats. Publicly all the other parties are virtuesignalling about never cooperating with SD. Whether they can keep this going after the election is more unclear. Anything SD wants to shut down, the other parties would have to cooperate across the blocks; giving the impression that the only true choice is SD and the rest, which is one bifg factor in the rise of SD these latest years.

The right-leaning parties (market liberals and conservatives-light) would probably be allright with some reduction of immigration, tougher demands that immigrants conform to society etc, but are too cucked by the media to risk the bad optics of openly cooperating with SD.

SD will probably get some change made in pre-negotiations behind closed doors (where much of the real political work between the parties is actually done on a day to day basis) and the bigger they are, the more they'll impact the climate of discourse among the population. It's harder to dismiss anyone critical of the immigration policy as a irrelevant nazi if the the second largest political party in the country is saying the exact same thing.

TLDR; No massive change projected untill SD reaches 50% or some of the parties on the right dares to not walk in lockstep with the globalist media.

Silence of the Troons · Sep 9, 2018

SVT's live coverage of the elections
https://www.svtplay.se/video/18948614/valvaka/valvaka-9-sep-18-15
The results will start being announced from 20:00 (CET+1) onwards and the Election authority's preliminary distribution of mandates will be announced between 22:00 and 23:00.

Traditional Tet · Sep 9, 2018

Literally the only thing that matters in this election is kicking out the hundreds of thousands of migrants which arrive in Sweden every year. There's a reason they have the world's second highest rape rate.
Ironic how the most Nordic Aryan nations hate their own ethnicity the most.

MidUSA · Sep 9, 2018

ATaxingWoman said:
SVT's live coverage of the elections
https://www.svtplay.se/video/18948614/valvaka/valvaka-9-sep-18-15
The results will start being announced from 20:00 (CET+1) onwards and the Election authority's preliminary distribution of mandates will be announced between 22:00 and 23:00.

A heads-up for anyone unfamiliar that's watching:

All the districts close at the same time and votes starts to be counted 20:00 (CET+1). Since they start counting at the same time, smaller districts get reported first. The smaller districts are mainly situated in the north (huge chunks of land but not a lot of people) so initially, the results always show the socialists and commies having huge results as they are strong in the north, but that lead starts to shrink once the bigger districts report in.

Some of the most densely populated areas are in the southernmost parts. The densely populated areas also contain the highest amount of immigrants (and consequently a high portion of SD supporters), so SD tend to get a small boost at the end of the districts reporting in.

Unseemly and Feral · Sep 9, 2018

This is probably my most :autism: Post ever but I felt like it needs to be said.

Swedes, I don’t your country is a shithole. In fact I think that up until recently y’all did exceptionally well. But that’s because you have a lot of structural, geographic, and cultural advantages that a big country like the US doesn’t have. The left wing in America upholds you as a model for everything they want in their version of society, but it’s not just out of love-it’s envy.

I say all this because I don’t want you to make the same mistakes we did. I’m not talking about voting for the “wrong” people-it’s not my business to tell anyone else how to vote-I’m talking about apathy. In 2016 the majority of eligible Americans didn’t vote at all, and their lack of care fucks up the process because it means that politicians know they don’t have to listen to anyone but a certain portion of the “right” people to win.

So even if you get absolutely disgusted by it, you gottta participate and do something in some small way or things just get worse. Don’t take the good things you have for granted, don’t be naive about the future. It has to be actively safeguarded so the apocalypse the right wing talks about doesn’t actually happen.

Smaug's Smokey Hole · Sep 9, 2018

MidUSA said:
Hard to say.

Presumably we'll see SD around 25% with two similarly sized coalitions;

I have a feeling that they'll get significantly less than what they're polling at, for various of reasons. 19% would be a strong result for them and if they go above 20% I would be genuinely surprised.

MidUSA said:
SD will probably get some change made in pre-negotiations behind closed doors (where much of the real political work between the parties is actually done on a day to day basis) and the bigger they are, the more they'll impact the climate of discourse among the population. It's harder to dismiss anyone critical of the immigration policy as a irrelevant nazi if the the second largest political party in the country is saying the exact same thing.

TLDR; No massive change projected untill SD reaches 50% or some of the parties on the right dares to not walk in lockstep with the globalist media.

Yeah, SD haven't had any real power in the past but them just being there, in the parliament, still growing, have changed policy in different ways. Other things have changed as well, cushy benefits for politicians have been quickly removed when it became apparent that people in SD would benefit from them as well.

MidUSA · Sep 9, 2018

Smaug's Smokey Hole said:
I have a feeling that they'll get significantly less than what they're polling at, for various of reasons. 19% would be a strong result for them and if they go above 20% I would be genuinely surprised.

25% is probably pushing it, but I would be very surprised to see SD get less than the 19% they're preliminarily polled as.

Historically they've always polled lower than their actual results due to the social stigma against "admitting" you vote for them. I forsee that factor to shrink the larger they get, and thus it becomes more mainstreem to associate with them but I'd still say the factor is alive this election.

When it comes to controversial parties like SD, often betting-sites comes closer to predicting the results than conventional opinion-polls. Since they put their money on the line. From a cursory look I see you get better odds on SD getting under 23,5% than over. But it's not huge odds (a bit more than 2x the money) for them getting over that.

Unseemly and Feral said:
I say all this because I don’t want you to make the same mistakes we did. I’m not talking about voting for the “wrong” people-it’s not my business to tell anyone else how to vote-I’m talking about apathy. In 2016 the majority of eligible Americans didn’t vote at all, and their lack of care fucks up the process because it means that politicians know they don’t have to listen to anyone but a certain portion of the “right” people to win.

So even if you get absolutely disgusted by it, you gottta participate and do something in some small way or things just get worse. Don’t take the good things you have for granted, don’t be naive about the future. It has to be actively safeguarded so the apocalypse the right wing talks about doesn’t actually happen.

On the other hand. I'd say a lot of the problem with Sweden today stems from people voting out of habit and not researching what the parties actually says.

For example,many older people have been voting for the socialists (S) for decades, and their policies these days have little to do (outside of rethoric) with what the party stood for in the 70's.
Many of the SD talking points could have been lifted from the (S) of old, for better and worse. But they're still called "far-right" by the media to scare people away from them.

UN Swedish Election Megathread

Big Nasty

Blow your speakers with rock 'n roll

ICametoLurk

SCREW YOUR OPTICS, I'M GOING IN

Foltest

Land ska med lag byggas

MidUSA

Rio

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Silence of the Troons

Feel the trans joy

Smaug's Smokey Hole

Closed for summer

millais

The Yellow Rose of Victoria, Texas

Keystone

The Jumping Dwarf

Aye, me bottle o' scrumpy

Big Nasty

Blow your speakers with rock 'n roll

Silence of the Troons

Feel the trans joy

HG 400

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MidUSA

Silence of the Troons

Feel the trans joy

Traditional Tet

Threads move too quickly for an old timer...

MidUSA

Unseemly and Feral

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Smaug's Smokey Hole

Closed for summer

MidUSA