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[NARPASSWORD]

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Reggie addresses the mass bitching of no playable Purple Luigi. He’s so maligned that a PR figures swear Sakurai, someone who rightfully gives no shit about a spin-off character, will hear about the tears of memes lovers.

#JusticeforWaluigi

The autists are winning, yet even if he does make it, they're just going to find something else to bitch about.

 

[vertexwindi]

https://www.usgamer.net/articles/sa...i-in-smash-bros-ultimate-reggie-fils-aime-say

Reggie addresses the mass bitching of no playable Purple Luigi. He’s so maligned that a PR figures swear Sakurai, someone who rightfully gives no shit about a spin-off character, will hear about the tears of memes lovers.

#JusticeforWaluigi

Honestly who the fuck cares about Waluigi. He's the least interesting character in the entire Mario franchise and that says a lot considering how little Nintendo cares about giving Mario characters personalities.

 

[HIVidaBoheme]

Honestly who the fuck cares about Waluigi. He's the least interesting character in the entire Mario franchise and that says a lot considering how little Nintendo cares about giving Mario characters personalities.

Which is why they gave him an uncut dick instead.

This, and the hip thrust from Strikers are the only memetic reasons autists want him in, I'm sure.

 

[NARPASSWORD]

Let's not forget how Waluigi was created for the sole purpose of giving Wario a doubles partner for Tennis.
Anyone that does this #justiceforwaluigi crap is a lolcow.

 

[Martys_not_smarty]

Also doesn't help when you have a bunch of fucking jackals instigating with their "aww sheeit nigga yeh yeh" making the situation much more worse than it really is for these unfuckables who at that moment of getting bodied would pull a Sandy Hook on the crowd if they had the ability of loading and operating a gun.

 

[El Porko Fako]

For me, bar none the most off-putting part of Melee crowd are the 5 gods and some of the other well known players. All of them have egos so large that they can form their own solar system of planet-sized egos. They apparently don't want Nintendo to continue making the series that made them famous either, because they shit on every new release in the series and always declare it as "not competitively viable," which is fucking laughable when you consider the completely broken game they've played for nearly 20 year that has become completely stale. With Brawl, I could maybe see some truth to that argument, but not for Smash4, where they really did gear the game towards a more competitive environment with re balancing characters, simpler stages that you could play in a FD style mode, and online game modes that more or less had tournament rules and settings. The reason I think these top players never embrace and try to learn these new games is because being a competitive FG player is not a lucrative career. If these new games become more popular, than there's a chance that interest in Melee could die and they would no longer have tournaments for it. No Melee means no more easy money for these guys and they'd either have to learn the newest Smash Bros. game and actually place high in tournaments to make money, or they'd have to get actual jobs.

I personally can't picture Mango or Mew2King flipping burgers at Burger King or working retail at a Macy's somewhere. I say I can't picture it because they probably think that putting in a honest day's work at a shitty job is somehow beneath them.

 

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For me, bar none the most off-putting part of Melee crowd are the 5 gods and some of the other well known players. All of them have egos so large that they can form their own solar system of planet-sized egos. They apparently don't want Nintendo to continue making the series that made them famous either, because they shit on every new release in the series and always declare it as "not competitively viable," which is fucking laughable when you consider the completely broken game they've played for nearly 20 year that has become completely stale. With Brawl, I could maybe see some truth to that argument, but not for Smash4, where they really did gear the game towards a more competitive environment with re balancing characters, simpler stages that you could play in a FD style mode, and online game modes that more or less had tournament rules and settings. The reason I think these top players never embrace and try to learn these new games is because being a competitive FG player is not a lucrative career. If these new games become more popular, than there's a chance that interest in Melee could die and they would no longer have tournaments for it. No Melee means no more easy money for these guys and they'd either have to learn the newest Smash Bros. game and actually place high in tournaments to make money, or they'd have to get actual jobs.

I personally can't picture Mango or Mew2King flipping burgers at Burger King or working retail at a Macy's somewhere. I say I can't picture it because they probably think that putting in a honest day's work at a shitty job is somehow beneath them.

According to this website, Mang0 has earned about 160,000 dollars from his entire career as a top Melee player. I'm going to be very, very generous and say that he's only been earning money since 2008 in this example and compare him to a person working a minimum wage job for a decade. By these calculations alone, a person working minimum wage would make about $150,000 dollars for is most likely unskilled labor (running a cashier, flipping burgers, washing dishes, and so on). But unlike playing a competitive video game for an income, a person working minimum wage has a steady income which doesn't fluctuate on their ability to perform compared to their peers. So you're correct, competitive gaming is absolutely not a lucrative career choice. You can see this in the lifestyle of most players, however, who live in cheap little apartments or with their parents.

This makes the indignation of Melee players all the more confusing. Mang0 has made Melee literally his life, tatooing his primary characters onto his body and outright insulting Sakurai, the creator of the Smash Brothers series, at the promotional event for Smash Ultimate. And that's just Mang0, I guarantee you that there are even more annoying, self-absorbed, obsessive Melee players out there.

 

[Sun Shihong]

According to this website, Mang0 has earned about 160,000 dollars from his entire career as a top Melee player. I'm going to be very, very generous and say that he's only been earning money since 2008 in this example and compare him to a person working a minimum wage job for a decade. By these calculations alone, a person working minimum wage would make about $150,000 dollars for is most likely unskilled labor (running a cashier, flipping burgers, washing dishes, and so on). But unlike playing a competitive video game for an income, a person working minimum wage has a steady income which doesn't fluctuate on their ability to perform compared to their peers. So you're correct, competitive gaming is absolutely not a lucrative career choice. You can see this in the lifestyle of most players, however, who live in cheap little apartments or with their parents.

This makes the indignation of Melee players all the more confusing. Mang0 has made Melee literally his life, tatooing his primary characters onto his body and outright insulting Sakurai, the creator of the Smash Brothers series, at the promotional event for Smash Ultimate. And that's just Mang0, I guarantee you that there are even more annoying, self-absorbed, obsessive Melee players out there.

So he wants Nintendo to stop making new entries in the franchise, because he believes people would stop caring about his achievements in an obsolete and overrated party game.

 

[Adamska]

So he wants Nintendo to stop making new entries in the franchise, because he believes people would stop caring about his achievements in an obsolete and overrated party game.

What achievement? That he can only consistently win with a rigged controller, 80% of the characters removed, 95% of the stages, an entire mechanic removed, and in a party game that autists tried to turn into an SNK game in their heads?

His "achievement" is actually more laughable that Phil "Pigroach" Burnell, who at least won an actual tourney (EVOEast 2006, I'm not counting his 4th place win like a year later).

 

[Pop-Tart]

Gonna disagree on just having more stupids due to numbers; they're just fundamentally exceptional.

Part of the thing with Smash is you don't just get the normal autists who are there for smash. You also get the Pokemon autists, the sonic autists, the general nintendo autists, etc. The fact that its a cross over with so many thing only just increases the chances that it will cross over with something else that has a known sperg fanbase as well.

 

[Adamska]

Part of the thing with Smash is you don't just get the normal autists who are there for smash. You also get the Pokemon autists, the sonic autists, the general nintendo autists, etc. The fact that its a cross over with so many thing only just increases the chances that it will cross over with something else that has a known sperg fanbase as well.

There's also the added amount of pathetic where the TourneyTards seriously turn a party game for children into their own personal Street Fighter Super Turbo, which I hypothesize is due to it being the only game with fighting they're good at. That probably also spikes the autism amounts to critical levels.

 

[Slamerella]

According to this website, Mang0 has earned about 160,000 dollars from his entire career as a top Melee player. I'm going to be very, very generous and say that he's only been earning money since 2008 in this example and compare him to a person working a minimum wage job for a decade. By these calculations alone, a person working minimum wage would make about $150,000 dollars for is most likely unskilled labor (running a cashier, flipping burgers, washing dishes, and so on). But unlike playing a competitive video game for an income, a person working minimum wage has a steady income which doesn't fluctuate on their ability to perform compared to their peers. So you're correct, competitive gaming is absolutely not a lucrative career choice. You can see this in the lifestyle of most players, however, who live in cheap little apartments or with their parents.

This makes the indignation of Melee players all the more confusing. Mang0 has made Melee literally his life, tatooing his primary characters onto his body and outright insulting Sakurai, the creator of the Smash Brothers series, at the promotional event for Smash Ultimate. And that's just Mang0, I guarantee you that there are even more annoying, self-absorbed, obsessive Melee players out there.

As far as I know, Hungry Box has a job outside of Smash and streaming, in the form of being an electrician and mechanical engineer. He said this in his match against Reggie in 2015.

 

[Sun Shihong]

What achievement? That he can only consistently win with a rigged controller, 80% of the characters removed, 95% of the stages, an entire mechanic removed, and in a party game that autists tried to turn into an SNK game in their heads?

His "achievement" is actually more laughable that Phil "Pigroach" Burnell, who at least won an actual tourney (EVOEast 2006, I'm not counting his 4th place win like a year later).

Yea, I forgot to add that sarcastic remark, but I agree with that statement. However, given the sperg-magnet smash is, plenty of people would easily believe tourneyfags are celebrities with established careers in playing twenty-year old party games.

 

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Not quite as idiotic as the highlights of the Melee community, but something "cute."

Etika, who's known for hamming up reaction videos for Smash, got the attention of Howard Stern of all people.

Etika took it relatively well, though, and made a reaction video laughing at Howard Stern's reaction video to Etika's reaction video to Smash Ultimate's announcement.

Something less cute, though, I was talking about Mang0 earlier in the thread being a generally unlikeable Melee-obsessed dullard. But somebody showed me that apparently he's such a generally unlikeable Melee-obsessed dullard that his stupidity has its own section on SmashWiki.

Despite being known as one of the most skilled Melee players ever, and a consistent crowd favorite, Mango has become surrounded with much controversy regarding his conduct both inside and outside of tournaments. He became notorious for his immature behavior earlier in his Smash career, especially after his EVO 2013 win, when he submitted a reddit AMA to the subreddit r/AMA. Many observers criticized Mango's responses for lacking substance, as well as proper grammar, and the thread exploded when Hungrybox posted a lengthy comment, criticizing Mango's allegedly poor treatment and respect of him. Mango's response became one of the most downvoted reddit comments of all time, and following the AMA, many criticized Mango for creating a negative image of Melee and being a poor representative of the commmunity.

During the EVO 2015 awards ceremony, Mango threw his fifth place medal into the crowd, and gave a thumbs-down as Hungrybox received his second-place medal, causing many spectators to boo him. While some argue that his medal-throwing was unsportsmanlike, and done out of Mango's disappointment at not capturing first place, others believe that the gesture was done out of respect for his fans. Mango has since thrown his medal several more times at major tournaments.

This next bit was posted in an earlier post in this thread, but it's worth exploring some more. Hungrybox is another top player for Melee who doesn't have a tendency to act as dumb as Mang0 does. This is Hungrybox ripping apart Mang0 for generally being immature during a tourney and making the community as a whole look bad, on top of some personal things like Mang0 apparently insulting Hungrybox's mother and Hungrybox himself when he was housing Mang0 for a while:

For being the best player in the world, you're pretty immature. I think it's dumb you didn't even shake my hand after I beat you at NCR or even opt to take a picture with me and PPU for the results thread.

Maybe I'm just bitter that you single-handedly turned an entire community against me and used your popularity to defame me and give people a completely wrong idea of me. It's weird that people on facebook still message me saying, "Dude you're actually a really nice person, everyone told me you were an asshole or something lawl".

Now you've got the community in an even greater hold with your cult-esque fervor we call Mango Nation. You're the only person who can literally ride his own dick and people encourage you even more when you do it. If I was to even say a tenth of the self-promoting claims you make online, I'd have a brigade of hate lined up on top of the massive amount I already do.

I don't have to go into how you treated me when I housed you and picked you up from the airport and the degrading and disgusting stuff you did and said about my mom. You think I don't remember? Not to mention saying similar things about my now ex-girlfriend. I really wanted to sock you in the fucking face so many times.

But I wouldn't stoop to that level.

The reality is, and the worst part is, that I have too much respect for you as a player. You've taken my favorite game and past-time to new levels and you constantly awe me with your advancing of the Melee meta-game. It keeps me on my feet and encourages me and countless others to keep playing. Everyone knows that, and no one can take that away from you.

I have applauded your victories at EVERY tournament we've both been at. Every last once. I've shaken your hand and applauded you even after our sets. Even after Genesis 2, when you taunted me Game 3 as you were approaching a 4-stock on me. Even EVO, with the world watching. I took the approach of the bigger man, in hopes that maybe it would inspire you to do the same. And I was very wrong.

The thing is, now that the entire fighting game community knows of you, you have all the leverage you need to get your points across. You're the end-all for knowledge of the game and community.

You've gotten better about your attitude towards me, at least subtly. With Armada retired and with our tournament records in full display, I'm ranked #2 or #3 in the world behind you. Even still, you make it seem like I'm a joke for ever playing this game.

All I'd like is for you to just stop this nonsense and have at least an ounce of sportsmanship towards me. It's the least you could do after some of the things you've put me through that I won't mention. And don't just label off your actions as jokes. Yeah, you're a funny guy. But it's not nice being on the end of the stick for four years.

Man up and be the representative this community actually needs.

Spoiler: Screenshot

And Mang0's tactful response which got a whopping 1,100 downvotes:

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

i can say that i have grown up a lot in the last 2 years .. and i waited to shake ur hand at ncr but you were crying or whatever and i was gonna wait till you were finished

And ive been more civil to you outside of smash for sure but when it comes to the game itself i have 0 respect for ur " skill " . I think ur a disgrace to the game and i think ur god awful. You learned 1 gimmick and abused it .. You never adapt to anything .. Ur just bad at the game and if you wanna shut me up. Beat me consistently dude and it will change .. Until then get off of reddit and go practice

Spoiler

Anyway, to cap this off, here's Mang0 proudly proclaiming that he yelled at Zero, one of the top players for Smash 4, about daring to suggest that Melee isn't the greatest game in the world:

In all honesty, Mang0 is just a massive walking trainwreck that perfectly exemplifies everything wrong with the Smash Brothers community, Melee especially.

 

[Martys_not_smarty]

Gotta love it, a "why is this a thing? no seriously the fuck is this shit" nigger chimps out on camera for 12 year olds and Google whore money and gets ragged on by a guy who made his bones for near 40 years then makes a video chimping out about him chimping out and being ragged on only in America. Can we get an inception icon going here for this?

 

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What achievement? That he can only consistently win with a rigged controller, 80% of the characters removed, 95% of the stages, an entire mechanic removed, and in a party game that autists tried to turn into an SNK game in their heads?

His "achievement" is actually more laughable that Phil "Pigroach" Burnell, who at least won an actual tourney (EVOEast 2006, I'm not counting his 4th place win like a year later).

Speaking of them taking a game and absolutely breaking it in order to make it competitively viable, I was reading the Reddit thread I posted above and found this comment from Mang0:

This in regards to Hungrybox.

So he dislikes another player who also plays in the incredibly specific way you mentioned...because he plays it in a slightly different incredibly specific way that he doesn't like. The irony is almost palpable.

 

[ducktales4gameboy]

Evo should include melee again with the stipulation that all matches are to be played on a random stage with default item settings and normal controllers, just like it’s played at the invitational. The salt would be apocalyptic and glorious.

 

[Squandog Bunglepuss]

What achievement? That he can only consistently win with a rigged controller, 80% of the characters removed, 95% of the stages, an entire mechanic removed, and in a party game that autists tried to turn into an SNK game in their heads?

His "achievement" is actually more laughable that Phil "Pigroach" Burnell, who at least won an actual tourney (EVOEast 2006, I'm not counting his 4th place win like a year later).

To play autist's advocate here, Melee players don't ban any of the characters. It's just that the game never had a balance patch in its 17 year life, so you rarely see any character outside the top 8. That's probably why the die-hard Melee purists don't want to change to a new game; a Melee player only really needs to learn the matchups against 8 other characters tops.
Hence even if the new Smash game was just a more balanced Melee with 60-something characters, the Melee autists still wouldn't switch to it; they'd not only have to adapt to their main's balance changes or main a new character, but they'd also have to learn how to fight against 65+ different characters.
Mang0 is probably the biggest lolcow in the pro Melee scene, or at least the most infamous. He exemplifies everything I just said, having made Melee his life and being an embarassing bad sport as mentioned earlier in the thread. At least Hungrybox has a job outside of Melee, and Mew2king has had success in the newer Smash games in addition to Melee.

According to this website, Mang0 has earned about 160,000 dollars from his entire career as a top Melee player. I'm going to be very, very generous and say that he's only been earning money since 2008 in this example and compare him to a person working a minimum wage job for a decade. By these calculations alone, a person working minimum wage would make about $150,000 dollars for is most likely unskilled labor (running a cashier, flipping burgers, washing dishes, and so on). But unlike playing a competitive video game for an income, a person working minimum wage has a steady income which doesn't fluctuate on their ability to perform compared to their peers. So you're correct, competitive gaming is absolutely not a lucrative career choice. You can see this in the lifestyle of most players, however, who live in cheap little apartments or with their parents.

Even among other competitive games, Smash is seen as a poor man's sport. Winnings are limited due to the niche competitive community and lack of outside funding; Nintendo didn't start sponsoring any Smash tourneys until a couple years ago. Not to mention that in Melee, the few top players earn the lion's share of prize money.

 

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Wow at Mang0. He sounds like he could merit a thread based on what everyone is talking about. I have never seen a more unprofessional "athlete" in my life, if you really want to stretch it to include E-sports.
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It's time for Sakurai to head to the pounds because he upset a few extremely entitled and upset fans's fee-fee (http://archive.is/xWmVn).

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I read about this the other day. Apparently the parameters within the game files were already set for Bayonetta (allegedly) before the ballot for voting which character should be added as DLC was even announced.

However, the guy who discovered this failed to justify how he could conclude that they planned to add Bayonetta before the ballot ever finished. All he said was that the "parameters were set" but failed to counter the argument that they just added the slot in preparation for a new character rather than having it specifically prepared for Bayonetta.

People are throwing a hissy fit over nothing.

 

[HIVidaBoheme]

There are the Shovel Knight whiners, Sans Undertale whiners, Waluigi whiners, and then there's this: