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Watching the trailer, I'm getting the impression that "Logan" factored into this more than anything.

The Borg Cube looks to have blown up and the glowing blue parts are forcefields over the holes. You can see the Federation prison they show is on a refashioned Borg Cube. It looks like Romulan remnants factor in heavily but also that the Borg may have pummeled out of existence following Voyager which kind of came out of left field. The Borg/7 of 9 stuff wasn't really on anyone's radar.

edit: Apparently Hugh is returning as well.
 
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Titan Lithos said:
At least NOW the super high-tech stuff fits the series since it's not a prequel.

(Are those 25% different ships supposed to be Peregrine or Maquis fighters?)
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I think they’ll be some sort of Romulan remnant. It looks as though they’re over Vulcan and they have a Valdore class look about them.
 
What? Ripping off someone's story again?* Hollywood really is devoid of creativity now isn't it?

*(if true)
 
Just like STD, the most interesting thing about Picard won't be the actual show but the behind the scenes drama.
 
If it's true that the concept was ripped off from Bryan Fuller, then I have some theories about this. It's all tinfoil-hat tier shit, but fuck, might as well put it out there.

Officially the series concept came from Kirsten Beyer - Voyager tie-in novelist and Discovery writer.

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Beyer is friends with Bryan Fuller, who brought her onto Discovery. I'm pretty sure she had a hand in the initial STD development.

There are several themes consistent in her writing. Convoluted plots, melodrama, and female "chosen one" characters. If those themes happened to reappear on Discovery, I'm sure that's entirely coincidental. (You can also blame her for a good chunk of Tilly dialog).

Despite being a shit writer, she's had an surprising run of success. From short story writer, to taking over the Voyager novels, to Discovery writer, to creator and producer of Picard. She's playing the game very well.

She also has a mean streak. When she took over the Voyager novels she violently killed off all the previous author's characters.

So if it turns out she ripped off her friend's story, dropped in another Michael Burnham, and sold it off as her own, I wouldn't be completely shocked.
 
The Gagh Whisperer said:
If it's true that the concept was ripped off from Bryan Fuller, then I have some theories about this. It's all tinfoil-hat tier shit, but fuck, might as well put it out there.

Officially the series concept came from Kirsten Beyer - Voyager tie-in novelist and Discovery writer.

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Beyer is friends with Bryan Fuller, who brought her onto Discovery. I'm pretty sure she had a hand in the initial STD development.

There are several themes consistent in her writing. Convoluted plots, melodrama, and female "chosen one" characters. If those themes happened to reappear on Discovery, I'm sure that's entirely coincidental. (You can also blame her for a good chunk of Tilly dialog).

Despite being a shit writer, she's had an surprising run of success. From short story writer, to taking over the Voyager novels, to Discovery writer, to creator and producer of Picard. She's playing the game very well.

She also has a mean streak. When she took over the Voyager novels she violently killed off all the previous author's characters.

So if it turns out she ripped off her friend's story, dropped in another Michael Burnham, and sold it off as her own, I wouldn't be completely shocked.
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Wait... I did not keep up with Voyager novels (and am ashamed I had a few of them).

They kept going??? Can i get a summation of this drama? And additional parallels?
 
Memory beta has plot synopses. I can't make heads or tails of any of it.

Janeway is dead/not dead

Seven is Borg/not borg

The Borg are totally fucked and worthless.

Every other species in the Delta quadrant is an existential threat to the federation.
 
I started season 2 of TOS. The episodes so far have been fantastic, but holy fuck I don't like the revamped opening. Specifically, I can't stand the shrill woman's voice they added at the end. The original theme was perfect, so I don't understand why they would shit it up like that.

It's a minor thing, but I do miss the simpler opening from season 1.
 
I like how every star Trek just about has an autistic person. TNG has Data, DS9 has Bashir and his gang of special ed misfits, and Voyager has 7/9
The Gagh Whisperer said:
The novels are still going, but it's all some interconnected off-the rails shitshow.

I shit you not, this is real:
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And you say JJ Abrams destroyed all this? Hollywood did nothing wrong.
 
Dom Cruise said:
Star Trek noob here, I've only dipped my toe into the franchise but I've always found it interesting have been meaning to dive into it.

But I have a question, is it worth it to watch TOS first or would it be ok to start with TNG?

I would definitely want to watch TOS at some point, but TNG is what interests me the most since that's what I was first exposed to as a kid.
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I'm a bit slow on the draw here but you should really watch at least the TOS movies first. Motion Picture may or may not be a good place to start depending on your attention span but its really not as bad as people say it is. Its also the closest in tone to that of TNG and was in many ways its prototype for what Roddenberry wanted.

That said, if you do want to see TMP first you should be aware that there's some kind of weird shit going on with the cut of the movie. The original theatrical cut has horrednous sound mastering and sound effects. The one I grew up with was the VHS copy that added 12 minutes to the film and cleaned up the sound considerably making it really fucking awesome in the process. People complain that the movie is too long, but the added footage is mostly dialogue and character scenes which I think adds a lot of humanity and really mitigates the slow pacing of other scenes. I also think some of the revised angles on the models are superior to the original cut. There are some scenes added though that I don't remember being on the cut I had as a kid though, they might have dicked around with it for the VHS release. Its really fucking confusing.

There's also a 2001 Directors Edition with added CGI. Blegh.
 
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Miller said:
Yeah, I think that's the story behind it. Alexander Courage owned the music and Gene the lyrics.
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Nah, the shrill OHHH AHHHHHS, aren't the lyrics. The real lyrics never show up in the show but were indeed put in the song so Gene could get a slice of the pie.

Beyond
The rim of the star-light
My love
Is wand'ring in star-flight
I know
He'll find in star-clustered reaches
Love,
Strange love a star woman teaches.
I know
His journey ends never
His star trek
Will go on forever.
But tell him
While he wanders his starry sea
Remember, remember me.
 
Locomotive Derangement said:
I'm a bit slow on the draw here but you should really watch at least the TOS movies first. Motion Picture may or may not be a good place to start depending on your attention span but its really not as bad as people say it is. Its also the closest in tone to that of TNG and was in many ways its prototype for what Robbenberry wanted.

That said, if you do want to see TMP first you should be aware that there's some kind of weird shit going on with the cut of the movie. The original theatrical cut has horrednous sound mastering and sound effects. The one I grew up with was the VHS copy that added 12 minutes to the film and cleaned up the sound considerably making it really fucking awesome in the process. People complain that the movie is too long, but the added footage is mostly dialogue and character scenes which I think adds a lot of humanity and really mitigates the slow pacing of other scenes. I also think some of the revised angles on the models are superior to the original cut. There are some scenes added though that I don't remember being on the cut I had as a kid though, they might have dicked around with it for the VHS release. Its really fucking confusing.

There's also a 2001 Directors Edition with added CGI. Blegh.
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While I don't think The Motion Picture is a perticuliarly good movie, it's an ok one. It certainly is in the spirit of TOS.

The director, Robert Wise(great director), was not right for the material. The movie suffers from his plodding, self indulgent camera work. He was trying to mimic Kubrick/2001 too much...

It deals with the themes of Trek, more than any other in the series, outside of the Voyage Home. However, TMP has zero relevance to the rest of the series. Wrath of Kahn, was a soft reboot...

Trek films, with the origional cast, are(basically)action/adventure films...
 
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GentlemanFaggot said:
Nah, the shrill OHHH AHHHHHS, aren't the lyrics. The real lyrics never show up in the show but were indeed put in the song so Gene could get a slice of the pie.

Beyond
The rim of the star-light
My love
Is wand'ring in star-flight
I know
He'll find in star-clustered reaches
Love,
Strange love a star woman teaches.
I know
His journey ends never
His star trek
Will go on forever.
But tell him
While he wanders his starry sea
Remember, remember me.
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This gave me AIDS thank you.
 
Ihavetinyweewee said:
While I don't think The Motion Picture is a perticuliarly good movie, it's an ok one. It certainly is in the spirit of TOS. The director, Robert Wise(great director), was not right for the material. The movie suffers from his plodding, self indulgent camera work...

It deals with the themes of Trek more than any other in the series outside of the Voyage Home.

Trek films, with the origional cast, are(basically)action/adventure films...
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Yeah, Robert Wise is a very plodding and self-indulgent director. The Day the Earth Stood Still has extended shots of people just doing mundane tasks, while Andromeda Strain has to be one of the slowest movies I've ever watched since the effects shots take great pains to make the equipment look authentic. Motion Picture is hardly worse in that respect, the shots of the Enterprise and V'Ger are masterpieces. TMP is kind of a dark horse though since, if you do feel like a slower sci-fi movie, Star Trek has one. Really gives some variety to the tone of the original movies.

I also think the Trek films being action-adventure pieces is kind of overstated in some respects. They're definitely more detail-oriented and uptight than something like say, the original Star Wars trilogy.
 
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