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The Gagh Whisperer said:
If it's true that the concept was ripped off from Bryan Fuller, then I have some theories about this. It's all tinfoil-hat tier shit, but fuck, might as well put it out there.

Officially the series concept came from Kirsten Beyer - Voyager tie-in novelist and Discovery writer.

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Beyer is friends with Bryan Fuller, who brought her onto Discovery. I'm pretty sure she had a hand in the initial STD development.

There are several themes consistent in her writing. Convoluted plots, melodrama, and female "chosen one" characters. If those themes happened to reappear on Discovery, I'm sure that's entirely coincidental. (You can also blame her for a good chunk of Tilly dialog).

Despite being a shit writer, she's had an surprising run of success. From short story writer, to taking over the Voyager novels, to Discovery writer, to creator and producer of Picard. She's playing the game very well.

She also has a mean streak. When she took over the Voyager novels she violently killed off all the previous author's characters.

So if it turns out she ripped off her friend's story, dropped in another Michael Burnham, and sold it off as her own, I wouldn't be completely shocked.
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Maybe. Though, I think its more Alex Kurtzman because he seems like a huge fucking cunt. They should have just got fuller back.

There's another conspiracy theory going around that CBS wants to merge back with Viacom and stop the entire separate 'Bad Robot' thing and kill off the Bad Robot deal altogether, since that's been basically fucking up Star Trek. Probably by buying them out.

I've also heard rumors CBS was super fucking pissed at Bad Robot, because they're the ones who caused all the merchandising and uniform problems because they wanted a cut. This caused everyone to walk away from the table, except for Amazon who got the international rights for next to nothing. So I think there are major conflicts between CBS and Bad Robot. The 'Bad Robot' deal was for basically 10 years, which is why CBS can't make its own Star Trek. The merger with Viacom might allow for a buy-out of this contract.

I also hear they desperately want to get rid of the Kelvin time-line because its proved immensely unpopular and nobody likes it. I mean, for Picard they basically castrated Alex Kurtzman. He's still there but he's only a figurehead because of contractual obligations. They've had tons of re-shoots since the test screening for Kurtzman's shit was god awful.

The sad thing is I'd rather have watched Brian Fuller's Star Trek. His Picard series sounded amazing without the 'YASS KWEEN' super-woman. Like how many times are we going to do this plot? Fuller's Picard series sounded like a slow burn of Data and Picard basically squaring off in the Federation which puts his principles at risk which sounded awesome. The whole thing just makes me sad.

I think a reason is that CBS hates on Bad Robot and generally is biding its time to get the fuck out of its deal with them. So their care for the IP is really, really low. Maybe even intentionally de-valuing it to make it cheaper to buy back. Whatever the case, Bad Robot and CBS seem to be squaring off, which is why there are all these problems.
 
Secret Asshole said:
I also hear they desperately want to get rid of the Kelvin time-line because its proved immensely unpopular and nobody likes it. I mean, for Picard they basically castrated Alex Kurtzman. He's still there but he's only a figurehead because of contractual obligations. They've had tons of re-shoots since the test screening for Kurtzman's shit was god awful.
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This is both the most optimistic and most hopeful thing I've heard in awhile. I hate Star Trek as a cheap superhero franchise. It never made any sense like this, and I wish the cast had just killed the director and writers in the alleyway and done things themselves since they seemed to give way more of a shit than anyone else did. Both for the Abrams movies and for Discovery. STSSRI is a mess, give me literally anything else.
 
GentlemanFaggot said:
Nah, the shrill OHHH AHHHHHS, aren't the lyrics. The real lyrics never show up in the show but were indeed put in the song so Gene could get a slice of the pie.

Beyond
The rim of the star-light
My love
Is wand'ring in star-flight
I know
He'll find in star-clustered reaches
Love,
Strange love a star woman teaches.
I know
His journey ends never
His star trek
Will go on forever.
But tell him
While he wanders his starry sea
Remember, remember me.
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Reminds me of this.

 
Titan Lithos said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KbXy0f0aCN0A lot more cameos than anticipated.

Also, it looks like Picard, or at least Star Fleet, is more buddy buddy with Romulans, as a lot of them look more Rommy. Also 5843 Days Without an Assimilation sign is just silly.
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Utter shite casting. The generic forced diversity wsmas nauseating also. It's DOA, as expected. Or DBA , dead before arrival? Whatever, they've managed to kill Trek with Picard at the helm. Top notch bumbling!

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Secret Asshole said:
There's another conspiracy theory going around that CBS wants to merge back with Viacom and stop the entire separate 'Bad Robot' thing and kill off the Bad Robot deal altogether, since that's been basically fucking up Star Trek. Probably by buying them out.
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J.J Abrahams and his company bad robot is the king of stolen success. Companies keep throwing money at him and hiring him because he earns a lot of money.

But the only reason he earns a lot of money is that he is stealing the success of someone else and fans just want more of that old thing. Which is why he banks up so much of nostalgia.

And it wouldn't be so bad if he was a worthy successor... but he really isn't. It's even worse for Star Trek as he outright said he thought it was boring.
 
Cloacan said:
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That's gotta be on the holodeck right? I hope the stupid rumours about Data being downloaded into Lor or B-4's body aren't true, and Brent Spiner already let it slip that this IS Data. So hopefully this is just Picard playing chess with Data on the holodeck or something. Ugh. I just don't want this show to be dumb, but I know they're going to fuck everything up.
 
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Larry Anon said:
That's gotta be on the holodeck right? I hope the stupid rumours about Data being downloaded into Lor or B-4's body aren't true, and Brent Spiner already let it slip that this IS Data. So hopefully this is just Picard playing chess with Data on the holodeck or something. Ugh. I just don't want this show to be dumb, but I know they're going to fuck everything up.
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The old post-Nemesis story afaik was "Data's personality took over B4's body and is just Data again (only now he's Captain of the Enterprise). Everybody is okay with this because fuck B4."
 
XYZpdq said:
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The old post-Nemesis story afaik was "Data's personality took over B4's body and is just Data again (only now he's Captain of the Enterprise). Everybody is okay with this because fuck B4."
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You have to remember the plan was never to permanently kill off Data. This was supposed to be the first part of 2 movies and TNG's equivalent to 'The Search for Spock'. Nemesis just bombed and they never did a follow up. So canonically Data was never supposed to be perma-dead.
 
Secret Asshole said:
You have to remember the plan was never to permanently kill off Data. This was supposed to be the first part of 2 movies and TNG's equivalent to 'The Search for Spock'. Nemesis just bombed and they never did a follow up. So canonically Data was never supposed to be perma-dead.
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I thought I heard that the basic idea was to get Brent into a fatter and older-looking android but I never looked into it more than that.
 
Secret Asshole said:
You have to remember the plan was never to permanently kill off Data. This was supposed to be the first part of 2 movies and TNG's equivalent to 'The Search for Spock'. Nemesis just bombed and they never did a follow up. So canonically Data was never supposed to be perma-dead.
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Was this ever confirmed? I always thought this was just a rumor.
 
Pixy Misa said:
J.J Abrahams and his company bad robot is the king of stolen success. Companies keep throwing money at him and hiring him because he earns a lot of money.

But the only reason he earns a lot of money is that he is stealing the success of someone else and fans just want more of that old thing. Which is why he banks up so much of nostalgia.

And it wouldn't be so bad if he was a worthy successor... but he really isn't. It's even worse for Star Trek as he outright said he thought it was boring.
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JJ is such a wannabe, he wants to be to the inheritor to the Spielberg/Lucas throne but he's the king of the saying "knowing the words but not the music"

Super 8 sums up the best and the worst of him, the movie manages to capture the look of classic Spielberg, it has an intriguing premise, good build up, but the whole thing just deflates like a souffle at the end, it comes close, but no cigar.

Star Trek 2009 was pretty good, though flawed, but it was a great jumping off point for more, but Star Trek Into Darkness was one of the worst movies I've seen in theaters over the last ten years.
 
Dom Cruise said:
JJ is such a wannabe, he wants to be to the inheritor to the Spielberg/Lucas throne but he's the king of the saying "knowing the words but not the music"
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I hate the fact that I live in a world where the fuckface who made LOST has been handed the reigns to both Star Trek and Star Wars. People bitch and moan endlessly about diversity quotas or whatever, but Hollywood can ram all of the inclusivity LGBTQCGI++ shit it wants down my throat if they would just fucking, fucking end the Mystery Box nonsense. Please, for the love of god. This shit actually invades your life when you hear your stupid fucking coworkers speculate endlessly on a plot you know is going to have a shit ending or start talking about a vague trailer that could mean anything. It has to be easily the worst trend to affect Hollywood in decades.
 
Locomotive Derangement said:
I hate the fact that I live in a world where the fuckface who made LOST has been handed the reigns to both Star Trek and Star Wars. People bitch and moan endlessly about diversity quotas or whatever, but Hollywood can ram all of the inclusivity LGBTQCGI++ shit it wants down my throat if they would just fucking, fucking end the Mystery Box nonsense. Please, for the love of god. This shit actually invades your life when you hear your stupid fucking coworkers speculate endlessly on a plot you know is going to have a shit ending or start talking about a vague trailer that could mean anything. It has to be easily the worst trend to affect Hollywood in decades.
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Well, LOST was one of the only cultural phenomenons of the last 20 years that could be compared to something like Star Wars, even if it's been mostly forgotten in the years since it ended, so in a way it makes sense to hand him the reigns of something like Star Wars.

But the trouble is while the guy's good at set up, he's not good at payoff.
 
Dom Cruise said:
Well, LOST was one of the only cultural phenomenons of the last 20 years that could be compared to something like Star Wars,
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I remember the days when LOST was fucking everywhere and you could set your watch by how conversations about what was on TV last night would degenerate to LOST speculation. I had the misfortune of instantly realizing that it was going to have a shit ending because of Cloverfield and god, just tolerating that was fucking misery. It says a lot about modern culture that people seem to value rampant speculation and gossip over the actual content. I like to speculate and gossip too, but its no fun if I guess the damn plot ten minutes in.
 
I'll say one thing, if Picard Trek officially brings Data back to life, I'll have legitimate reason to write off the last TNG film forever, and that is a very good thing.
 
XYZpdq said:
My dad wandered off from Lost around the polar bears I think. He figured they were just making shit up at that point and didn't have any idea where they were going.
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To try and get back on topic, my dad was incapable of using the internet and he guessed right away that they were going to use B4 to ressurect Data. I dunno if that's a point for or against Star Trek: Picard yet, but that prediction is ten fucking years older than that show is.
 
Locomotive Derangement said:
To try and get back on topic, my dad was incapable of using the internet and he guessed right away that they were going to use B4 to ressurect Data. I dunno if that's a point for or against Star Trek: Picard yet, but that prediction is ten fucking years older than that show is.
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Meh, they made it pretty fucking clear that was the backdoor to bring back Data one way or another at the end.
 
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