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Stab You in the Back said:
So you believe that some theoretical TASHA YAR SUBPLOT was the overriding narrative of TNG, and everything that doesn't advance the TASHA YAR SUBPLOT is unnecessary filler? Dude, get a fucking grip on reality. Character continuity is not a subplot. Furthermore, somebody who doesn't know who Tasha Yar is isn't going to give a flying fuck about the TASHA YAR SUBPLOT.

You know what, I'm going to spoil the TASHA YAR SUBPLOT for our friend right now. Denise Crosby thought she was too good for Star Trek and asked to leave the show. The producers obliged and killed off her character. In a shocking twist, this dumb bitch didn't become the next Mira Sorvino. She constantly begged the producers of TNG to bring her back. Eventually they took pity on her and had her show up whenever they went back in time or to an alternate reality.
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No, the point I was making: if you're going to use a roadmap. Then in season one, your're going to watch "Skin of Evil."(which still sucks), so you have context for "Yesterdays Enteprise", which plays into the finale. Also, Yar's daughter is weaved in and out of the stronger seasons of TNG....

But outside of "Encounter at Far Point", the episode above, and handful of others: you can skip the bulk of seasons 1&2...

Sometimes there were narrative consequences, and other times it was the "Love Boat" in space....

Yes, Denise Crosby was a cunt. What's your point?
 
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If you've never watched TNG at all watch the whole damn thing and make up your own mind.

Even the bad eps are cringe-funny.
 
Ihavetinyweewee said:
Some episodes are certainly more relevant than others, the subplots with Yar, Q, Wesley, Data, Borg have narrative progression. Other stuff(quite a bit)are independent jaunts that have no bearing on subplots. How does the episode of "Genesis" have any significant impact? Its not even well written...

Granted, you can say that TOS(minus season 3) is mostly just filler(or nothing but). But the filller in TOS, in my opinion, is significantly better than anything in TNG.

I mean is it really worth slogging through entire first two seasons(save for a handful of episodes)? TNG, didnt even work out its dynamic until halfway through season three.

But each his own, I'm not going to get into a sperg war over this....
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I'd say finding out for yourself which episodes are good and which ones are bad is an essential part of being a Star Trek fan and nerds on reddit obsessing over designing the "perfect viewing experience" for others is frankly insufferable. No amount of skipping is going to turn TNG into a modern TV show. The characters are arguably the best part of it and by skipping "bad" episodes that contain good character moments they get horribly diluted. It's easy to say skip this and skip that when you already watched it yourself and made it part of your overall perspective on the rest of the show, but newcomers don't have that luxury.
 
Miller said:
It depends on the show. The Shield and Battlestar Galactica for example relied on shaky cam because they wanted to tell the story as if it was filmed by a documentary crew. This technique wouldn't work on Star Trek all the time (see the JJ-Trek movies) but it could help enhance the impact of a particular scene like a big action sequence.
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There's a huge difference between going for a handheld look BSG style and the shit they do in stuff like JJ trek where it looks like they set the camera on one of those old-school vibrating football tables.
 
Hey dudes, all the rights to Star Trek are about to be under the same roof soon.
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I wonder what they will do with the Picard series, it's no doubt too advanced to keep modifying, but is currently not set in the TNG universe. Everything since Enterprise is screaming out to to be retconned, but they will almost certainly not learn their lessons from the film series and STD which makes it pointless. Canon is kind of meaningless when the people in control don't know how to write science fiction, or even what it is.
 
gobbogobb said:
The easiest way to handle canon is fucking ignore it. Just watch and believe whatver canon you want and ignore the rest. I've seen enough of Discovery for instance that I just pretend it's not star trek and ignore it.
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Well they’ll reboot Star Trek once the merger happens. Bob Bakish, who’s the Viacom CEO, will lead the combined company. Plus, I could imagine Paramount making the decisions from now one with the franchise.
 
Godzilla@1989 said:
Well they’ll reboot Star Trek once the merger happens. Bob Bakish, who’s the Viacom CEO, will lead the combined company. Plus, I could imagine Paramount making the decisions from now one with the franchise.
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They can reboot it every year who cares? Enjoy the stuff you enjoy and forget about the rest.

I mean I could go on an autistic rampage about the Lord of the rings movies but what's the point I just pretend they are generic fantasy epic volumes 1 through 3
 
Star Trek: Lower Decks
Lower Decks takes place after Nemesis and VOY. It's an half hour show focused on 4 ensigns serving on a random ship in Starfleet.

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"Animation is having an incredible renaissance right now." Alex Kurtzman on their decision to bring Star Trek back into an animated world.
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Short Treks
There will be 6 Short Treks exclusively on CBSAllAccess this fall. 2 will be animated, 3 will feature the Enterprise crew (Anson Mount, Ethan Peck and Rebecca Romijn are back as Pike, Spock and Number One) and one will serve as a teaser for Star Trek: Picard.

Random bullshit from Kurtzman (taken from the official Star Trek twitter account):
"Star Trek has always been a show about a bridge crew family." - Alex Kurtzman talks about expanding the stories of the crew in the new season.
"Every conversation about how we create Star Trek is filtered through Roddenberry's vision." - Alex Kurtzman on shaking things up while staying true to canon.
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gobbogobb said:
They can reboot it every year who cares? Enjoy the stuff you enjoy and forget about the rest.

I mean I could go on an autistic rampage about the Lord of the rings movies but what's the point I just pretend they are generic fantasy epic volumes 1 through 3
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And other people gain value from LOTR by knowing other bits of Tolkien lore that are part of the same universe/time line, making its passing references more meaningful. Ditto for knowing what is canon or not in Trek/SW, and seeing that the show is being written with some interest in continuity. Nobody is asking for you to enjoy things in the same way as them, but might ask that you offer the same courtesy.
 
Miller said:
Star Trek: Lower Decks
Lower Decks takes place after Nemesis and VOY. It's an half hour show focused on 4 ensigns serving on a random ship in Starfleet.

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Short Treks
There will be 6 Short Treks exclusively on CBSAllAccess this fall. 2 will be animated, 3 will feature the Enterprise crew (Anson Mount, Ethan Peck and Rebecca Romijn are back as Pike, Spock and Number One) and one will serve as a teaser for Star Trek: Picard.

Random bullshit from Kurtzman (taken from the official Star Trek twitter account):
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I see starfleet has changed their uniforms once again. I wonder what the in-universe rational for the constant flip flopping between having red/yellow/blue as primary colors or secondary elements is?
 
No one said continuity was a bad thing. I'm talking more about the "spore drives ruin Voyager" memey stuff.

I don't need some suit at CBS or Paramount to tell me whats really star trek. No one does. This is how we end up with KelvinTrek and everything is canon, especially the things that are paradoxical.

See also Disney Star Wars and the Expanded Shoah. The stuff still exists and is good or bad independent of who says it's true and honest media brand X. C.

On the uniforms: it's always been a slave to the time issue. One thing Rodenberry's vision didn't see was a 50+ year legacy. If so I'm guessing the uniforms would have been less pop culture and more classic cuts.
 
Miles Peterson said:
I see starfleet has changed their uniforms once again. I wonder what the in-universe rational for the constant flip flopping between having red/yellow/blue as primary colors or secondary elements is?
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Unless I am missing something these are just TNG-style uniforms. The confusion comes in when the rights split required the films and TV shows to be "substantially different" so they were changed for legal rather than artistic reasons.

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I like the way something like Games Workshop handled continuity (until recently) where it didn't disavow the dumb things, just retconned some and never really mentioned the rest, leaving it to fans headcanon. I think pre-Disney Star Wars was the same, although I'm not an expanded universe follower. I agree that a show will be good or bad based on the writing rather than the universe, but I think without the anchor of expectation to at least try to make sense compared to other properties, lazy writers will lapse into space magic and make everything worse.

Edit2: I think it might have been Midnight's Edge that described the need to keep uniforms different in one of their timeline videos, including proposed ones being rejected for their similarities.
 
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Miller said:
"Star Trek has always been a show about a bridge crew family." - Alex Kurtzman talks about expanding the stories of the crew in the new season.
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No, its a goddamn military vessel. The crew are friends because that's the natural result of being trapped together for years on end, but its still a workplace with a very clear delineation between their personal feelings and their greater duty as Starfleet Officers.

 
Voyager paid lip service to the whole family angle. I would be inclined to even say Enterprise was more of an adopted family in space than it was a military vessel given the way they treated their duty versus personal feelings.
 
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