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Somehow, singing about faith in such a religious manner is just wrong and I don't understand why they did it. Sounds more like it's some christian pop-rock song about praying in schools even if it's forbidden and not about space exploration.
Should have been a song about proudly following one's destiny and aiming for the stars, if you ask me.

"Destiny" implies the existence of a higher power or a higher order. "Faith," insofar as it is used in the song, is merely about possessing the inner fortitude to journey into the great unknown despite the fear, trepidation and challenges that await us.
 
"Destiny" implies the existence of a higher power or a higher order. "Faith," insofar as it is used in the song, is merely about possessing the inner fortitude to journey into the great unknown despite the fear, trepidation and challenges that await us.
The song also mentions a "soul", which I would argue is a stronger religious iconography than just the mere concept of "destiny". I mean, sure, destiny implies some sort of super-naturally set path to follow, much like "fate", but it would feel more appropriate (at least to me, since 'destiny' to me is also sort of like a non-religious aspiration, but then again, not a native speaker), than singing about faith and souls.

Even with different lyrics, I kind of dislike the shallow pop-rock song, compared to the iconic TOS opening or the other shows.
Say what you will about Voyager, it had the best opening theme and the best opening cinematic.
I always felt that ENT tries to appeal to non-trek people by doing the pop-rock-theme tbh.
 
Much like with SW and the Sequels making us see and appreciate what the Prequels tried to do, we can look at STD and appreciate what ENT did and what it could have been if handled better. I wonder if STPicard will do the same for STD, though I expect that people will mix in STD and STP as the dark ages of Trek.

I wholeheartedly agree that ENT just seems to be too timid and lacks guidance and a vision.
The idea of an uneasy alliance with the Vulcans could have been fleshed out. The first episode sets up the Klingons, but there comes nothing of that afterwards, it seems.

Strangely enough, they should have taken a hint from the TOS tagline: To boldy go, where no man has gone before.
They should have taken a few more risks here and there with ENT, they play it too safe.
The show lacks a central, overarching conflict, ti seems. Also, it might have been interesting to see Earth in a state of transit from petty, insular politics and capitalistic thinking towards a post-scarcity society. Would add some spice and make it feel more different from regular Trek.

It's a show about the first large exploration vessel, the beginning of the starfleet and all that jazz, but it doesn't really feel much like it, tbh.

Maybe have a bit of a civil war going on or some colonialisation-related issues would have been interesting. For instance seperatist colonies. Border disputes between colonies. Stuff like that.
There's this episode about a lost colony early on in ENT's runtime and I felt it was a giant waste of an opportunity.
They find the leftovers of the colony and traces of radiation and I halfway expected them to find out that the colony was wiped out by Earth over some stupid dispute that has been kept under the lid ever since the colony was wiped out.

And even though it's just a nitpick on my part, but they should have taken a different title song.
The beginning is decent and the overall idea behind it is neat, but the entire second half of the song just feels so out of place in a sci-fi show like Star Trek.


Somehow, singing about faith in such a religious manner is just wrong and I don't understand why they did it. Sounds more like it's some christian pop-rock song about praying in schools even if it's forbidden and not about space exploration.
Should have been a song about proudly following one's destiny and aiming for the stars, if you ask me.
We all know the best enterprise theme song...
 
Having just finished working my way through all of TNG, I have to make this point about Season 1.

I don't think it is as bad as people say it is.

Okay, its not what I would call good, but it is exactly the type of show I would have thought "It has potential...I'm going to give it more time". They were clearly trying to find their voice and work the kinks out, and by Season 3 it was all peaches and cream. But watching through all of Season 1, I wasn't miserable. It was just clear that not everything from the writing to the acting to the premise had quite been perfected yet.
 
We all know the best enterprise theme song...

As funny as that is, Enterprise's theme song was probably the lowest point in the entire franchise. Trot out all of the classic examples of idiotic Star Trek moments, but I'm gonna take it a step further and declare that Enterprise's theme is worse than even Mary Sues and Slash Fic.

Prove me wrong.
 
Having just finished working my way through all of TNG, I have to make this point about Season 1.

I don't think it is as bad as people say it is.

Okay, its not what I would call good, but it is exactly the type of show I would have thought "It has potential...I'm going to give it more time". They were clearly trying to find their voice and work the kinks out, and by Season 3 it was all peaches and cream. But watching through all of Season 1, I wasn't miserable. It was just clear that not everything from the writing to the acting to the premise had quite been perfected yet.
The first (and a lot of the second) season of TNG is hampered by basically being semi-season 4/5 of TOS.
Full disclosure, I am not the biggest fan of TOS (the show- most of the TOS movies are a LOT better, Wrath of Khan being one of my all time favorites in fact.) but I still give it a pass because in the 60's it was somewhat charming... Somehow, in the late 80's Gene made his own premise insufferable. It definitely got waaay better, enough so that I can and do still watch those two seasons of TNG... But they are definitely a downgrade from both TOS and season 3 onward of TNG.
 
Would rather watch that again than Enterprise's opening. At least Threshold was funny on top of being gross and stupid.
Reading up on the Episode itself, it seems like at the core, there were a few decent ideas.
Breaking the Warp 10 Barrier, Cronenberg-like mutations, the whole point of Paris and Janeway becoming lizard-like as a statement that evolution doesn't necessarily end up super advanced and technological but possibly going in a circle... there's a few interesting aspects to this show and the makeup job on mutating Paris is pretty good. There's also a couple of good lines of dialogue here and there.
But boy, oh boy, does this episode fall flat on its ass in execution. They at least tried something and took a risk, can't really blame them for that.

If I had to make it servicable, I'd remove Tom actually breaking through Warp 10, but getting very, very close to breaking through, then up the ante when it comes to the body-horror elements (keeping Paris in the dark, for instance, explaining that with a raised sensitivity to bright lights) and remove the whole "Tom Paris and Janeway become lizards and create offspring" bullshit and I think, it might actually work pretty well.
 
Threshold was the quintessential Voyager episode.

Good idea so half assed it does nothing but piss the viewer off. It also shows a fundamental writing flaw the show had. The writers were full of good ideas (and bad to be fair) but never knew how to execute, which snowballs into some of the worst trek episodes.

On Fair Haven: pretty much all the Voyager holodeck episodes were crappy. Beowulf was ok I suppose.

The last season of Voyager were the janeway/seven shipper power hour. The good writers and producers were off creating the BSG reboot and shit so Voyager suffered even more.

 
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Threshold was the quintessential Voyager episode.

Could have been a total nightmare about unknown technology poisoning you in some terrifying way, but it fizzles out. I agree with @RomanesEuntDomus that it had a Cronenberg vibe to it. But it was actually really stupid in the end. Paris and Janeway laugh off having their bodies corrupted into tadpoles as if it were a drunken one-night stand. Like what the fuck, do they think Carpenter's The Thing was a fucking documentary in the 24th Century or something?
 
Ron Moore from the link above on why Voyager sucks (and why the holodeck on Voyager sucks)

Spoiler for length

"It’s not truthful. On DEEP SPACE NINE, that was the watchword. We wanted it to be true. There was a lot of truth in DEEP SPACE NINE, a lot of difficult questions that we tried to answer, and some difficult questions that we couldn’t answer. DS9 was a real place, a truthful place; it was a place where we explored things on a real level. But VOYAGER doesn’t go there. It just will not go there. You are trying to tell the audience on the one hand, ‘We’re so far from home, and it’s going to take us so long, and we really wish we could get home. It’s rough out here.’ Janeway wrings her hands about all the things that she has sent the crew through. Then, it’s off to the holodeck. You can’t talk with any kind of a straight face about food rations and energy conservation, and having a real kitchen in the mess hall, when at the same time you’ve got the holodeck going. It’s such a facade, and no matter what kind of technobabble bullshit you come up with, the audience intuitively knows, again, that’s not truthful. There is no reality there. That would not happen. Even on GILLIGAN’S ISLAND, they didn’t have the Skipper and Gilligan sitting in the Minnow, watching color television. But on VOYAGER, who cares? We want the holodeck to run so we can go do period pieces, and we can do dress up and we can do fun adventures on the holodeck, and we don’t want to give that up. Okay, but don’t try telling me at the same time that you are really out scraping by and barely making it out there on the frontier, when none of their hair is out of place, and their uniforms are pristine, and the bridge is clean every week."


Moore laughs, "What is the difference really between Voyager and the rest of the fleet? When that ship comes home, it will blend right in. You won’t even know the difference. They haven’t personalized the ship in any way. It’s still the same kind of bare metal, military look that it had at the beginning. If you were trapped on that ship and making your way home, for years on end, wouldn’t you put something up on the walls? Would you put a plant or two somewhere in a corridor? Wouldn’t you try to make it a little more livable? That is the challenge that I think they have really dropped. They just won’t deal with the reality of the situation that ship is in. They look for stylistic twists, and ways to make the show interesting visually, and up the action quotient, and up the sex quotient. But that’s not the problem. If you can’t believe in your own premise, you then certainly can’t take the next step and try to have a point of view about life, about what it means to be human: what is the nature of the human heart, and good and evil, all of the great questions that STAR TREK is famous for trying to grapple with in a science fiction context. When VOYAGER tries to go there it is so completely superficial that it doesn’t mean anything. Even when they are trying to really mine something, it’s undercut by the fact that nothing else surrounding it is real, and that you can’t accept these people in the positions and what they are doing. Kirk and company had a point of view. Kirk was a man of opinions. He was a man who had his own take on right versus wrong, when to take action, and when not to. I think he is respected for that. People that looked up to that character, looked up to him because he was a leader who said, ‘We are going this way, and this is the right thing to do.’ Picard is a different kind of leader. Picard was a more thoughtful guy who saw there was a little more gray in the world, but still had a very high sense of ethics, such a high sense of ethics that I think it bound us a little too much; it bound the character a little too tightly. Sisko [Avery Brooks] was a man who saw the world in shades of gray, who was always thrust into ambiguous situations, who was always having to grapple with questions of faith and reason and right and wrong, and had to do it in an interesting in compelling way. The people around him supported that premise. They were all flawed characters on a flawed station dealing with a flawed situation. It gave them permission to explore that ground. I don’t know what VOYAGER is about. It just doesn’t seem to speak to me. I watch the show; I try to understand what it is saying to me, what it’s trying to explore. But it doesn’t seem to explore the human condition. It doesn’t have a point of view on the subject. It falls back on STAR TREK boilerplate; it falls back on the Prime Directive. The Prime Directive has now become this cop out for doing anything in an episode, for having any point of view."
 
While we are talking about crappy Voyager episodes: Who thought it would be a good idea to bring Kes back when Jen Lien had gained like 50 pounds. I love how they filmed scenes that were suppose to take place before she left, but she looked nothing like she did back then. Horrendous. I don't mind watching crappy Voyager episodes (Threshold is a hoot), but I can't watch Fury, so it is the only Voyager episode I have only seen once.
 
While we are talking about crappy Voyager episodes: Who thought it would be a good idea to bring Kes back when Jen Lien had gained like 50 pounds. I love how they filmed scenes that were suppose to take place before she left, but she looked nothing like she did back then. Horrendous. I don't mind watching crappy Voyager episodes (Threshold is a hoot), but I can't watch Fury, so it is the only Voyager episode I have only seen once.
That episode is another prime example about everything wrong with Voyager. Absolutely no consistency in plot. Kess went from magic elf girl to magic energy angel to fucking sauron with no explanation whatsoever.
 
That episode is another prime example about everything wrong with Voyager. Absolutely no consistency in plot. Kess went from magic elf girl to magic energy angel to fucking sauron with no explanation whatsoever.
The worst thing about it is that it undermines Kes' character arc. She leaves Voyager after becoming some sort of Thetan or whatever and she's glad and grateful and even whisks away Voyager towards home a little bit... and then she pops back up some time later and she's angry at Janeway for some reason.

It's not like I ever cared about Kes, but it felt like that took away her peaceful departure from the show and replaced it with malice.
Felt really unfitting.

Yeah, Voyager has its reputation for a reason, still it is my favorite Star Trek (mainly for nostalgia and memories of watching it back when I was a kid, but still).
 
The worst thing about it is that it undermines Kes' character arc. She leaves Voyager after becoming some sort of Thetan or whatever and she's glad and grateful and even whisks away Voyager towards home a little bit... and then she pops back up some time later and she's angry at Janeway for some reason.

She got mad at Janeway because she went senile and forgot large chunks of what happened on Voyager. Imagine a race that only lives to be nine without assistance, can only breed once in a lifetime, and has immense psychic powers but also senility. They're the screamapillars of Star Trek:

 
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