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The only thing incorrect about it is how static/level the camera is.
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We should round up every director that thinks shaky-cam is the solution to boring, static, talky scenes, and strap them into one of those Clockwork Orange chairs and force them to watch that nauseating bullshit for 12 hours straight.
It can be okay in some scenes, but when everything is filmed like that, it just gets annoying as fuck.
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It depends on the show. The Shield and Battlestar Galactica for example relied on shaky cam because they wanted to tell the story as if it was filmed by a documentary crew. This technique wouldn't work on Star Trek all the time (see the JJ-Trek movies) but it could help enhance the impact of a particular scene like a big action sequence.
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I actually always disliked the shaky-cam in BSG when all they did was talking about something. During battle, it was fitting and good, but every now and then, they'd overdo it in a scene where people merely talked, maybe have an awkward zoom or something, and it would start to annoy me.
Though it did fit better with BSG, I admit.
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It actually took me 15-20 seconds to realize I wasn't watching a real clip from the show, which should tell you a lot (like how memorable the secondary characters are). Splice in some action footage from a video game and you could probably sell it as a shitty Russian bootleg without raising any eyebrows tbh
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I was more referring to excessive Dutch Angles than the shaky-cam, but that's super annoying as well.
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Well if you like those series, you are probably going to love DS9. Honestly it is the best Star Trek series in my opinion with one of the best captains hands down with Avery Brooks going to knock it out of the park as Benjamin Sisko once he finds his footing.
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The greatest question Abrams's stupid Mystery Box routine ever proposed is how the fuck did Bad Robot become so popular when all they make is trash? A huge limitation of the way they made their content is that, if you missed out on the marketing campaign, you had absolutely no reason to go and watch something like Cloverfield or LOST. Everything he makes flat out has an expiration date attached to it, and the only reason the JJ Star Trek moves will be remembered is that the cast was made up of extremely likable and recognizable people no matter how badly their characters were written. I only had to take one look at that car commercial with Quinto and Nimoy fucking around to tell the actors actually gave a shit and were undermined by Abrams and his prima donna bullshit.
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Dutch angles are a thing of beauty...just not in a Star Trek series.
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Shaky cam destroyed action movies. Fucking thing started cropping up some time after Blair Witch and we went from awesome action scenes with intricate camera work where you can clearly see all the action to a bunch of shaky cam quick cuts to mask the lack of choreography. It's not even about stylistic choice with these fuckers. It's about cutting corners and saving money.
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So was Les Moonves responsible for STD?
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I blame Zack Snyder. Although he often did it well.
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Yeah, that's the absolute worst.
And then, someone started to use that absolutely idiotic 3D gimmick again, which makes it even worse, since after a cut, your brain needs a short moment to understand, what it is looking at, but some numbnut director decided to make it a quick-cut shaky cam action scene in 3D, meaning that for the entire duration of the action scene, all you see is jumbled shapes tumbling around the screen.
I'll take a cheesy Arnold Schwarzenegger Action scene any day of the week. You might get the umpteenth scene of 20 dudes shooting at Arni pointblank and missing, but at least you know just what the fuck is going on and where everybody is in relation to each other.
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He's also the one who cancelled Star Trek Enterprise. He was never a fan of the franchise. One time he saw the trailer for The Force Awakens and thought that it was Star Trek and started wondering how Disney got his IP.
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I'm glad that fucker got metooed.
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Enterprise really is the canary in the coal mine for this sort of thing. I thought it sucked, and that sentiment isn't exactly incorrect because they couldn't figure out if they wanted to make Low Tech Star Trek or a ripoff of Stargate SG1. I would have preferred if they just grew some balls and went all-in on showing humanity as still very warlike and willing to nuke planets and stuff to maintain order. There was even precedent for this established as far back as TOS with General Order 24. Perhaps instead of "letting nature take its course" in that one stupid episode, Archer could have showed us the very first instance of a Starfleet captain obliterating a civilization to maintain order, and the political aftermath involved in such a horrific event. They spent so long setting up that plot with the Vulcans. We could have had a Cuban Missile Crisis In Space sort of plot with them, but it just fizzled out. Additionally, Bakula comes off as an awkward dumbass when he's trying to be heroic, but in the roles where he gets to be more villainous or morally ambiguous, he's great.
Pretty much the exact same thing occured with Discovery. The show tried to be cutesy and optimistic while at the same time its clear the writers wanted to make something mean and dark.
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Much like with SW and the Sequels making us see and appreciate what the Prequels tried to do, we can look at STD and appreciate what ENT did and what it could have been if handled better. I wonder if STPicard will do the same for STD, though I expect that people will mix in STD and STP as the dark ages of Trek.
I wholeheartedly agree that ENT just seems to be too timid and lacks guidance and a vision.
The idea of an uneasy alliance with the Vulcans could have been fleshed out. The first episode sets up the Klingons, but there comes nothing of that afterwards, it seems.
Strangely enough, they should have taken a hint from the TOS tagline: To boldy go, where no man has gone before.
They should have taken a few more risks here and there with ENT, they play it too safe.
The show lacks a central, overarching conflict, ti seems. Also, it might have been interesting to see Earth in a state of transit from petty, insular politics and capitalistic thinking towards a post-scarcity society. Would add some spice and make it feel more different from regular Trek.
It's a show about the first large exploration vessel, the beginning of the starfleet and all that jazz, but it doesn't really feel much like it, tbh.
Maybe have a bit of a civil war going on or some colonialisation-related issues would have been interesting. For instance seperatist colonies. Border disputes between colonies. Stuff like that.
There's this episode about a lost colony early on in ENT's runtime and I felt it was a giant waste of an opportunity.
They find the leftovers of the colony and traces of radiation and I halfway expected them to find out that the colony was wiped out by Earth over some stupid dispute that has been kept under the lid ever since the colony was wiped out.
And even though it's just a nitpick on my part, but they should have taken a different title song.
The beginning is decent and the overall idea behind it is neat, but the entire second half of the song just feels so out of place in a sci-fi show like Star Trek.
Somehow, singing about faith in such a religious manner is just wrong and I don't understand why they did it. Sounds more like it's some christian pop-rock song about praying in schools even if it's forbidden and not about space exploration.
Should have been a song about proudly following one's destiny and aiming for the stars, if you ask me.
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It was run by the same folks who ran Voyager and they both have that basic problem. Most of the flak those two series catch seems to be rooted in frustration at them having decent concepts they never commit to following through on.
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Yeah. They are competent enough to come up with great concepts, but then don't really take advantage of them in any way...
Voyager could have been an amazing show about a ship stranded at the far side of the galaxy with 2 crews, Maquis and Starfleet, forced to work together in a hostile environment.
But the Maquis assimilates into the Starfleet system within an episode with only a few nods to the Maquis even being a thing at a few moments.
The whole show devolves into a pretty standard "Anomaly/Alien/Conflict of the week" setting.
Similar with ENT, it could have been a great show about humanity getting its shit together to create starfleet, but it sadly isn't.
I still think Voyager is decent enough most of the time and ENT seems to have its moments, so it's not unservicable, but of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: "It might have been!", as they say.