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RomanesEuntDomus said:
From the Wiki-summary, I know that Lorca is from the evil parallel universe where everyone has goatees and he is shown to be pretty fucking crazy more than once, so they might go down the route and have Burnham questioning herself on whether she should stay loyal or not to that loony and if she really wants to start another mutiny. But I doubt the show is going to do a good job at that, if they even bother to explore that possibility. I assume it will just be randomly revealed they have evilLorca and then quickly dispose of him.
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The funniest thing about the MU arc in S1 was how they revealed some pedo/pseudo-incestual undertones to Mirror Lorca's relationship to Mirror Michael. Keep in mind that Lorca had been one of the few (if not only) characters most fans genuinely liked, so the writers making him a stereotypical bad guy in the last second didn't sit well with anyone. On the rare occurance STD is mentioned in a /trek/ general, amongst the bitching you'll have people saying how much they miss Lorca. It kind of reminds me of how a lot of fans are still pissed over the treatment Dukat got in S7 (though honestly, it started with Waltz) where Ira Behr (and probably others, but he's been the most vocal about it) decided they made him a bit too sympathetic/Marc Alaimo was too charming and he needed to be stripped of his grayness and made pure black. Took six seasons to get there, sure, but STD managed to do more or less the same in one season (and half the episodes).
 
Miller said:
Since the deal with Paramount has ended, Bad Robot got a new partnership with Warner Media for $500 million.
I wonder which Warner franchise will get destroyed by JJ.


It's a rumor but even if he's gone, the franchise is still in the wrong hands.
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Harry Potter. JJ will fuck it up harder than he did to Star Wars. All he needs is Jared Leto as Voldemort or his son while fighting Harry Avatar style.

Oh, speaking of Paramount.
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Miller said:
Since the deal with Paramount has ended, Bad Robot got a new partnership with Warner Media for $500 million.
I wonder which Warner franchise will get destroyed by JJ.


It's a rumor but even if he's gone, the franchise is still in the wrong hands.
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Perusing the list of Bad Robot productions and almost every one is some of the worst shit ever made. The first season of Westworld was pretty good. 11.22.63 was a decent adaptation. Everything else, total shit. I know his start was due to nepotism, but why wasn't he dumped into the trash where he belongs after Alias? (Also anyone who liked Lost should have been immediately liquidated to prevent them from breeding.)

Miller said:
It's a rumor but even if he's gone, the franchise is still in the wrong hands.
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Anything short of disowning all JJ Trek would be insufficient. Nothing good has come from it. They'd lose so much face, and probably money as well, that it won't happen, so Trek will remain dead for the foreseeable future.
 
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GrungyLawnChlorinate said:
Anything short of disowning all JJ Trek would be insufficient. Nothing good has come from it. They'd lose so much face, and probably money as well, that it won't happen, so Trek will remain dead for the foreseeable future.
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I liked Karl Urban as McCoy and give props to whatever voodoo priest he had curse him with the spirit of DeForest Kelly. (because he was that good - he was the only one I really believed as a younger version of the characters we all knew and loved)
 
Flexo said:
I liked Karl Urban as McCoy and give props to whatever voodoo priest he had curse him with the spirit of DeForest Kelly. (because he was that good - he was the only one I really believed as a younger version of the characters we all knew and loved)
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What sucks is that Chris Pine isn't a bad actor and could have played a good Kirk if the writing were better.

Steve Trevor is a good example of what a young Kirk should be like. Unpolished, but trying. He understands the responsibility that's been thrust on his shoulders and takes it seriously, but hasn't yet developed the confidence or the poker face of his older self. People follow him not because he's a natural leader, but out of respect for what he has done. However, you can see the glimmer of leadership within him and watch it grow over time.
 
Flexo said:
That's what I keep telling everyone! Set the show after Voyager and it's nearly perfect. Starfleet is working on the spore drive because of the pathfinder project & getting Voyager home. Michael Burnham is an adopted daughter of Tuvok (or hell, just give her pointed ears and make her the ACTUAL daughter of Tuvok). Instead of KlingOrcs just have the Federation fighting some new power from the beta quadrant or maybe even make them a rogue Jem'Hadar faction - THOSE would have reason to complain about Making the Dominion Great Again. You'd even have a reason for the Mirror Universe getting involved again after DS9 had screwed around with them and got them riled up.

Then with a new war going on concurrently with it, you would build interest in ST: Picard as that would be examining the galactic goings on from a different angle.

It's like they had a decent idea for a sequel series, and then decided to shove it into a prequel era without properly sanding down the edges to make it work.
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I have a feeling the prequel idea was something Bryan Singer had insisted upon and saddled them with (like the bald Klingons) considering S2 ends with them being flung permanently into the distant future.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
they turned some of the most likeable people like the characters of TOS into utter douchebags.
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The JJ movies felt like if they were written based on the pop culture interpretation of these characters. The fake geeks think that Kirk used to fuck every women coming in his sight, that Bones would always be angry and say that he's "a doctor and not a X", that Chekov had a heavy russian accent and Sulu had to be gay because the actor is gay in real life. You can see the same pop culture writing in TFA, like when Rey says to Han that the Falcon did the Kessel Run in "14" parsecs.

SkeletonBias420 said:
S2 ends with them being flung permanently into the distant future
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I read somewhere that Kurtzman decided to put the Discovery far into the future because he didn't want to rely on the canon.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
What sucks is that Chris Pine isn't a bad actor and could have played a good Kirk if the writing were better.

Steve Trevor is a good example of what a young Kirk should be like. Unpolished, but trying. He understands the responsibility that's been thrust on his shoulders and takes it seriously, but hasn't yet developed the confidence or the poker face of his older self. People follow him not because he's a natural leader, but out of respect for what he has done. However, you can see the glimmer of leadership within him and watch it grow over time.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=oouWm081ykQ
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No joke my buddy said almost the exact same thing. That after watching wonder woman, "it was nice to finally see Chris pine play captain Kirk."

That and "of course the only one worthy of Diana is the son of Thor."
 
I watched more Discovery and I'm pretty well caught up now, the Red Angel thing started out pretty cool, then got progressively more convoluted and nonsensical, and finished with an utterly trash conclusion. Burnham is still a little annoying, but I'm less irked by the character herself and more by her fucking up and everyone else being real dumb for a few minutes to make her the hero or her retroactively being right by some twisted logic every single time. I try to ignore the technobabble stuff because it is inherently nonsensical, but even if I empty my brain enough to accept the secret mold dimension that transports matter and resurrects people from memories, it's pretty distracting when they go on to treat concepts like conservation of matter or mitochondrial DNA like some crazy genius-level shit that the best scientists and engineers didn't think of right away.

Not to mention they made both the Mirror Universe and Section 31 arcs get boring and start to drag halfway through. I think you have to use that shit sparingly. Either that or Burnham just isn't interesting enough to carry a whole story arc like that.
 
vanilla_pepsi_head said:
I watched more Discovery and I'm pretty well caught up now, the Red Angel thing started out pretty cool, then got progressively more convoluted and nonsensical, and finished with an utterly trash conclusion. Burnham is still a little annoying, but I'm less irked by the character herself and more by her fucking up and everyone else being real dumb for a few minutes to make her the hero or her retroactively being right by some twisted logic every single time. I try to ignore the technobabble stuff because it is inherently nonsensical, but even if I empty my brain enough to accept the secret mold dimension that transports matter and resurrects people from memories, it's pretty distracting when they go on to treat concepts like conservation of matter or mitochondrial DNA like some crazy genius-level shit that the best scientists and engineers didn't think of right away.

Not to mention they made both the Mirror Universe and Section 31 arcs get boring and start to drag halfway through. I think you have to use that shit sparingly. Either that or Burnham just isn't interesting enough to carry a whole story arc like that.
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Did we post this before? I'm curious how accurate it is.
 
i will be very very pissed if those god damn SJWs go after Kirk now....
very pissed!
 
You know, I always thought Star Trek was super boring, and just a show about people talking to hide a low budget.

BUT, before you lynch me, after seeing The Orville something "magical" happened. You see, I tried the Orville expecting some comedy show, like the Galaxy Quest movie was, but instead, I got something much better. I suddenly "got it". It made me understand what made Trek so special.

Due to the Orville, I've watched some TNG and Voyager and I'm honestly liking it. I'm also wondering why I avoided trek in the first place. I missed a lot of great stuff.
 
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