Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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gobbogobb said:
It's telling when Voyager probably peaked with the year of hell arc, and the writers hated it so much they went on to redo it as Battlestar Galactica.
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They considered doing year of hell as a LITERAL season.

But where voyager really peaked was earlier - with scorpion. The Borg and actually treating the crew like they're stranded with no third option and disagreement among the crew? Should have been what we had all along.
 
Flexo said:
They considered doing year of hell as a LITERAL season.

But where voyager really peaked was earlier - with scorpion. The Borg and actually treating the crew like they're stranded with no third option and disagreement among the crew? Should have been what we had all along.
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It should have been a season long arc. As for scorpion, you might be right, but I was never a huge fan of the Borg in Voyager.
 
ProfDongs said:
I'm watching TNG for the first time and just got to the episodes with these 2 clips.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=D0_25M_-SKQhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=id=O1A2zPqVq5wIts been a really fun ride so far.
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Yeah.....first two seasons of TNG are a rough fuckin ride.

Between Roddenderry's "MY SUPERIOR FUTURE IS SO PERFECT AND WONDERFUL!" masturbation, really bad writing, Wesley crusher at his absolute worst, and the 80s factor being far more apparent, it takes some strong willpower to soldier through it all to reach the decent stuff post season 2 when Roddenderry stops interfering, and Maurice Hurley fucks off forever.
 
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with Voyager starting out destitute and gradually becoming more self-sufficient as they learn to survive on their own. My personal issue with Voyager was how dull the main cast was and how uneven in quality the show was as a whole. You'll get a great episode about Seven of Nine forming Alex Jones-like conspiracies sandwiched between an episode where she wrestles The Rock and one where Janeway fucks a 19th century Irish peasant.
 
gobbogobb said:
They also hated the ending, where there were no lasting consequences.
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Well that's Voyager in a nutshell. Ironically it started with the pilot, the next episode they were all buddies.
The show was such a missed opportunity, it was the perfect setting to create drama and challenge the robotic aspect of Starfleet people since they were far away from Home. Even the DS9 episode "Valiant" did a better job and they didn't have to go to another quadrant.

Stab You in the Back said:
one where Janeway fucks a 19th century Irish peasant.
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"delete the wife"
I think that holodeck episode might be the one Trek episode I hate the most. The way the crew doesn't notice or care about how she uses the program, etc. Sure, the characters in the holodeck are literally NPCs but her nonchalant behavior really creeped me out.
 
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Miller said:
Well that's Voyager in a nutshell. Ironically it started with the pilot, the next episode they were all buddies.
The show was such a missed opportunity, it was the perfect setting to create drama and challenge the robotic aspect of Starfleet people since they were far away from Home. Even the DS9 episode "Valiant" did a better job and they didn't have to go to another quadrant.
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the worst part was they paid lip service to the conflict with stuff like tuvoks holodeck program. Then never went anywhere with any of it. Instead of conflict everyone just laughed and thought it was a good hollodeck game.
 
TBH I would've loved to see a show with the Equinox crew.
Captain Ransom did nothing wrong.
 
Trek canon is a joke at best. Paramount doesn't really care in the slightest what kind of crazy stories the side media runs with.

Also consequences in a bad MMO released like 10 years after the show ended is 0 consolation to the writers who got shit on during the voyger run.
 
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