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GeorgeDaMoose said:
If they fuck this up, its going to make me much more assmad than STD ever could. I hope Jonathan Frakes comes back and they make him get in shape like Hamill, would be really nice to see Riker and Titan. Fuck if this is good, I'd like to see a little DS9 continuation miniseries where Sisko stops abandoning his family and we see how the characters are doing down the line. I'm a little bit excited and very wary of all this shit.
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I'm guessing they will have Picard check in with some DS9 and Voyager characters given the opportunity. This will probably be their only chance to do an epilogue to those series so hopefully they take advantage of it.
 
Someone in a Tree said:
I'm thrilled that Nemesis will no longer be this character's curtain call, but baffled that this is being held hostage by CBS All Access
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I looked the official Star Trek Timeline, in-universe the last episode of TNG happens 18 years after Nemesis


Polyboros said:
https://twitter.com/SirPatStew/status/1025840545216823296

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Don't fuck this up.

Edit: Said statement is directed at CBS not Patrick Stewart.
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Unfortunately i don't trust CBS after STD , i would be happy if they don't fuck it up but i'm not going to raise my hopes up because they really could inject STD type of shit in it
 
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Zaryiu said:
I looked the official Star Trek Timeline, in-universe the last episode of TNG happens 18 years after Nemesis
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Negated due to Picard fixing the problem in the past. Also Q was involved, so it probably wasn't all that real in the first place.
Janeway did a similar thing in the last two episodes of Voyager.
 
Van Darkholme said:
I doubt Avery Brooks is ever coming back, guy's a loon if Shatner's "The Captains" documentary is anything to go by.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gC5PwzhRz5shttps://youtube.com/watch?v=z2MEYMMDhKk
Or maybe he's just fucking with us, who knows.
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I've always thought Avery Brooks was just kind of an eccentric guy. Not a loon really. Seemed kinda like he was fucking with Shatner in that last bit because his answer in the first video was fairly clear, but it seems like in the second video he's responding to Shatner's bullshit with his own kind of bullshit. Admittedly very comfy sounding piano bullshit but still pretty funny to me.
 
GeorgeDaMoose said:
Troi isn't even actually a qualified counselor. That episode when she loses her powers actually proves that she's completely incompetent.
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My favorite episode that shows how shitty Troi is is the one where no one can get REM sleep and they are all tired all the time, and know their fate is to devolve into absolute exhausted madness. Except Troi, who wakes up well rested every day, but still whines about her scary nightmares and how hard that is for her.
 
God, I hope they don't let Wil Wheaton show up.
 
Lackadaisy said:
Going through TOS and wondering where people got the idea that Roddenbery was this big progressive guy. Sure, he had a diverse cast, but half of them don't do anything and it's clear he was hung up on women for some reason.
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In Gene's defense, despite all the flaws of the original, it was revolutionary by 60's standards.

1. Sulu was one of the few Asian characters not played up as some cringey stereotype. Takei and other Trek cast members can confirm every Asian actor was fighting for the role Takei got because it portrayed an Asian as a competent human being who acted professional and had a position of respect and authority that didn't play into stereotypes.

2. Uhuru was a black woman who was in high ranking position of authority (she was a senior officer in fact).

3. There were plans to flesh out some of the characters who didn't do a lot, but Roddenberry had to fight HARD to get a lot of what we did see, which again, multiple Trek cast members could confirm.

4. Roddenberry had a lot of his dumber ideas quashed as a result of #3, so while what we got was flawed, it was a hell of a lot better than some of the dumb shit Roddenberry had planned (like trying to turn the Vulcan IDIC crap into a cheap excuse to sell crappy merchandise, which Nimoy recounted in his latest autobiography as something he was glad never took off)

5. A lot of the women hangups were partially his fault, but some of it was partially crap he couldn't do anything about. Behind the scenes, Nichelle Nichols almost quit because off camera, she was getting treated like a second class citizen due to being black despite what was shown on camera, and a few of the other women, white or otherwise, also got shitty treatment when the cameras weren't rolling because 60s sexism was really that bad.
 
GeorgeDaMoose said:
I've always thought Avery Brooks was just kind of an eccentric guy. Not a loon really. Seemed kinda like he was fucking with Shatner in that last bit because his answer in the first video was fairly clear, but it seems like in the second video he's responding to Shatner's bullshit with his own kind of bullshit. Admittedly very comfy sounding piano bullshit but still pretty funny to me.
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Brooks is a jazz and blues musician and stage performer, and he's a fine arts prof. He knows how to make a statement without speaking, and the impression I've always had is he has an profoundly keen bullshit detector and doesn't like playing other people's games. That Rose City Comic-Con panel where he (in)famously responded to a question about that interview in The Captains with a full minute of silence and turning his back on speaker(s) while smiling and interacting with the audience, was the same panel where somebody made a remark about Brooks being "the black captain", and he went dead serious and shot it straight down. In fact, it was the very next thing that happened.

Brooks clearly picked up on Shatner's game, decided to turn the tables on him by answering musically, and I'm pretty sure Shatner's confusion amused the hell out of him. The whole "jazz is a language" thing sounds like artsy-fartsy bullshit, but over the last five or six years there have been scientific studies and experiments conducted comparing brain activity in jazz musicians versus classical musicians, musicians playing improvisational jazz versus classical music, and musicians playing in improvisational jazz sessions. Turns out the evidence backs it up.
 
GeorgeDaMoose said:
I've always thought Avery Brooks was just kind of an eccentric guy. Not a loon really. Seemed kinda like he was fucking with Shatner in that last bit because his answer in the first video was fairly clear, but it seems like in the second video he's responding to Shatner's bullshit with his own kind of bullshit. Admittedly very comfy sounding piano bullshit but still pretty funny to me.
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Yeah I've gotten the impression that Brooks does goofy shit as kind of a lark.

Like, if you ask him "hey that time on the spaceship show twenty five years ago there was a scene where you did a thing instead of another thing why" then he'll play the piano at you instead of going "lol stfu nerd".
 
XYZpdq said:
Yeah I've gotten the impression that Brooks does goofy shit as kind of a lark.

Like, if you ask him "hey that time on the spaceship show twenty five years ago there was a scene where you did a thing instead of another thing why" then he'll play the piano at you instead of going "lol stfu nerd".
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I remember an interview with Brooks where he made it clear he WASN'T the biggest fan of Star Trek. Like, it paid the bills nicely and then some, but he would've rather done something with more substance.

Though after seven seasons of watching Q abuse Picard, seeing Brooks punch Q in the face was damned cathartic (I have nothing against John de Lancie, but holy shit he plays 'smarmy asshole' so well).
 
Capsaicin Addict said:
I remember an interview with Brooks where he made it clear he WASN'T the biggest fan of Star Trek. Like, it paid the bills nicely and then some, but he would've rather done something with more substance.

Though after seven seasons of watching Q abuse Picard, seeing Brooks punch Q in the face was damned cathartic (I have nothing against John de Lancie, but holy shit he plays 'smarmy asshole' so well).
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Then Q's all "uhh, haha I sure trolled you into hitting me. Now I have to go away forever for reasons totally unrelated to you knocking me on my ass kthxbye."
 
GethN7 said:
In Gene's defense, despite all the flaws of the original, it was revolutionary by 60's standards.

1. Sulu was one of the few Asian characters not played up as some cringey stereotype. Takei and other Trek cast members can confirm every Asian actor was fighting for the role Takei got because it portrayed an Asian as a competent human being who acted professional and had a position of respect and authority that didn't play into stereotypes.

2. Uhuru was a black woman who was in high ranking position of authority (she was a senior officer in fact).

3. There were plans to flesh out some of the characters who didn't do a lot, but Roddenberry had to fight HARD to get a lot of what we did see, which again, multiple Trek cast members could confirm.

4. Roddenberry had a lot of his dumber ideas quashed as a result of #3, so while what we got was flawed, it was a hell of a lot better than some of the dumb shit Roddenberry had planned (like trying to turn the Vulcan IDIC crap into a cheap excuse to sell crappy merchandise, which Nimoy recounted in his latest autobiography as something he was glad never took off)

5. A lot of the women hangups were partially his fault, but some of it was partially crap he couldn't do anything about. Behind the scenes, Nichelle Nichols almost quit because off camera, she was getting treated like a second class citizen due to being black despite what was shown on camera, and a few of the other women, white or otherwise, also got shitty treatment when the cameras weren't rolling because 60s sexism was really that bad.
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Not to mention having a Russian bridge officer at the height of the Cold War.
 
Just rumors at this point, but considering how media companies seem to be leaking like sieves lately...
tl;dw: CBS might merge the two timelines into a new one where everything played out slightly differently due to certain rights issues, essentially killing off the prime timeline for good. Then the fans will have to love Michael and the Klingorcs!
 
Oh shit... does this mean that if Worf shows up, it's going to be in the shitty STD makeup? I sure hope not.
 
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