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UnKillFill said:
I don't know what the hell that is, but it isn't Star Trek.

Also, Agent's of fucking Shield sprung for Samuel L. Jackson at least twice... but these guys can't even even get Quinto? (Not saying Quinto is a great Spock, or even better than this guy. But it would have gone ways to show they give even half a shit about this abortion.)
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Maybe CBS thought people would get confused that the Star Trek reboot movies are mixed with this continuity. As far as I know the movies are still their own universe, which is funny because the MMO is canon. And yeah he had no charisma, but the Dr. McCoy actor was actually a good fit for young DeForest Kelley.
 
Okay so up this point in my life, my experience with Star Trek had been mostly just the movies, a good chunk of TOS, and a good chunk of TNG. I almost always enjoyed it, but I was never what one would call a die hard.

But now I in the process of marathoning Trek stuff, namely TOS, TNG, and DS9 (which was specifically recommended for me). So far I am almost through all of TOS and I'm enjoying it. I expect to enjoy the other two shows as well, and once I've got all that under my belt, I'll be able to participate a bit more in all the Star Trek talks my friends have, haha.

My question here though: Should I bother with Voyager, Enterprise, and the Animated series based on TOS? I've been told they are "not great" and not necessary viewing compared to everything else.

Discovery I'm skipping, at least for now, as I've been told it is "A fine show, but its not truly Star Trek" and I'd rather get the definitive Trek material under my belt first.
 
RumblyTumbly said:
Okay so up this point in my life, my experience with Star Trek had been mostly just the movies, a good chunk of TOS, and a good chunk of TNG. I almost always enjoyed it, but I was never what one would call a die hard.

But now I in the process of marathoning Trek stuff, namely TOS, TNG, and DS9 (which was specifically recommended for me). So far I am almost through all of TOS and I'm enjoying it. I expect to enjoy the other two shows as well, and once I've got all that under my belt, I'll be able to participate a bit more in all the Star Trek talks my friends have, haha.

My question here though: Should I bother with Voyager, Enterprise, and the Animated series based on TOS? I've been told they are "not great" and not necessary viewing compared to everything else.

Discovery I'm skipping, at least for now, as I've been told it is "A fine show, but its not truly Star Trek" and I'd rather get the definitive Trek material under my belt first.
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TAS is worth a look. It's really the TOS gang voicing the characters, and some of them are downright good half hour Star Treks.
I personally like Enterprise. I wasn't too hot on it starting out and dropped it early in its run, got into it again when they they did a multipart with Data's Inventor's Ancestor and some Khan-type guys. There's certainly rough patches and the ending is literally "we ran out of show, so here's some scenes that were probably going to be in later seasons strung together" so get ready to get pissed about that.
Voyager is usually mediocre, sometimes pretty bad, but it does cover a lot of New Worlds and New Civilizations that DS9 mostly ignored, and occasionally it's actually good. If you survived Space Hippies from TOS or Planet Of Killing Wesley And Fucking from TNG you can handle Voyager being dumb, too.
 
RumblyTumbly said:
Okay so up this point in my life, my experience with Star Trek had been mostly just the movies, a good chunk of TOS, and a good chunk of TNG. I almost always enjoyed it, but I was never what one would call a die hard.

But now I in the process of marathoning Trek stuff, namely TOS, TNG, and DS9 (which was specifically recommended for me). So far I am almost through all of TOS and I'm enjoying it. I expect to enjoy the other two shows as well, and once I've got all that under my belt, I'll be able to participate a bit more in all the Star Trek talks my friends have, haha.

My question here though: Should I bother with Voyager, Enterprise, and the Animated series based on TOS? I've been told they are "not great" and not necessary viewing compared to everything else.

Discovery I'm skipping, at least for now, as I've been told it is "A fine show, but its not truly Star Trek" and I'd rather get the definitive Trek material under my belt first.
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From what i heard Voyager is a really big case of mixed bag caused by the people in charge not knowing what to do among other things (the writing was really inconsistent leading to Janeway going from one episode being relatively sane to the very next episode being completely callous and immoral, same with the Prime Directive) so i suggest maybe looking up what the good episodes are if they are any, Enterprise is okay but some episodes are so bad (first season episode with Doctor in the title comes to mind as really bad) i suggest skipping and reading a sypnosis, Animated i guess might be corny but i haven't seen or heard of besides it being a kid's show
 
Orkeosaurus said:
My question here though: Should I bother with Voyager, Enterprise, and the Animated series based on TOS? I've been told they are "not great" and not necessary viewing compared to everything else.
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If you like TOS and 70's minimal animation cartoons, then you'll probably enjoy TAS. It gets a bit zanier than the show proper ever did, but there are some genuinely good episodes in there.

Voyager was never my favorite, and indeed it suffers from some problems (mainly wildly inconsistent writing and character direction, and liberal use of the reset button.) but I would still recommend watching Voyager if only for The Doctor, and later Seven. Also, watch Voyager AFTER you've finished TNG and DS9 (don't worry about watching them in broadcast order or anything like that, it's not necessary especially in Voyager's case as it is so isolated from DS9.)

If you get through Voyager and still find yourself wanting more Trek, you could do a lot worse than Enterprise. I'm not going to sugarcoat it though, Enterprise has a lot of problems. I will say, it substantially improves by the end. (Fuck that finale though). Throughout its run though are copious amounts of "so bad it's good" moments if that appeals to you.

Also, I've found Enterprise significantly more entertaining to watch if do so telling yourself that Archer has severe mental and emotional problems (easy enough to do considering his character) and EVERYONE else on the show, even the bad guys, all know and are just humoring him.

Avoid ST: D like the plague.
 
UnKillFill said:
If you like TOS and 70's minimal animation cartoons, then you'll probably enjoy TAS. It gets a bit zanier than the show proper ever did, but there are some genuinely good episodes in there.

Voyager was never my favorite, and indeed it suffers from some problems (mainly wildly inconsistent writing and character direction, and liberal use of the reset button.) but I would still recommend watching Voyager if only for The Doctor, and later Seven. Also, watch Voyager AFTER you've finished TNG and DS9 (don't worry about watching them in broadcast order or anything like that, it's not necessary especially in Voyager's case as it is so isolated from DS9.)

If you get through Voyager and still find yourself wanting more Trek, you could do a lot worse than Enterprise. I'm not going to sugarcoat it though, Enterprise has a lot of problems. I will say, it substantially improves by the end. (Fuck that finale though). Throughout its run though are copious amounts of "so bad it's good" moments if that appeals to you.

Also, I've found Enterprise significantly more entertaining to watch if do so telling yourself that Archer has severe mental and emotional problems (easy enough to do considering his character) and EVERYONE else on the show, even the bad guys, all know and are just humoring him.

Avoid ST: D like the plague.
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From what I've heard the reason Quantum Leap is such a dummy is because they expected to have seven seasons of him learning and creating the standards of Starfleet Captain.

But yeah TAS also works well because "stock footage of walking, talking, and spaceships" lends itself well to TOS-ish stories.
 
The quality of Voyager episodes is all over the place, and there doesn't seem to be a real consensus as to which are the good episodes outside Year of Hell (*cough*overrated*cough*). Personally, I'd check out the episode The Voyager Conspiracy just to get a taste of the series. Very funny episode, but not in a silly way, and it features one of the few tolerable characters in the series.
 
Kyria the Great said:
I know that we are rather jaded and somewhat bummed out for the most part at the current state of Star Trek, but here is something to cheer everyone up.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=bl5TUw7sUBs
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I'll take that awesome video, and raise you this classic (and also awesome) one.
You'll have to call again, I'm just leaving... I'm uh... Not dressed properly.
 
Star Trek Producers Talk Plans for More New Series


By JAMIE LOVETT - October 17, 2018





  • Star Trek franchise with Star Trek: Discovery and the announcement of Patrick Stewart’s return as Jean-Luc Picard, but there are more big things still to come.

    Speaking to Trek Movie as New York Comic Con, Star Trek: Discovery co-creator Alex Kurtzman, who is now in charge of expanding the Star Trek television franchise, teased “You’ll be hearing a lot about it very soon” in regards to more new Star Trek television series.


    Speaking in broad terms, producer Heather Kadin said that it is their goal in expanding the Star Trek franchise is to make sure to avoid franchise fatigue be ensuring that each series has a distinct flavor.

    “I think the one thing we can say which is more general is that it’s been a real conscious effort that every project we do have its own voice and occupy its own space,” Kadin said. “I don’t mean its own space in canon, I mean its own tonal vision. Because you shouldn’t tune in to Discovery and wonder if you flipped the channel, that it was Picard. They should feel different, they should have different messages coming from different people.”


    Part of making that happen means recruiting creators with their own points of view.

    “I think that’s what we’re most excited about because the writers and the caliber of people who keep coming out of the woodwork – Michael Chabon wrote the next short that’s coming, that’s ridiculous! – who are coming and raising their hands saying ‘Can I please be a part of Star Trek?’ has been amazing,” Kadin said.


    Another part of avoiding franchise fatigue is making sure fans aren’t exhausted by having too much content all at once. While CBS executives have suggested that they want to have new Star Trek content all year, Kurtzman says there will be gaps to allow for anticipation.

    “You have a good meal and then decide to take a walk before you have your dessert,” Kurtzman said. “That’s how to look at it.”

    Are you excited for the expansion of the Star Trek television franchise? Let us know in the comments!


    CBS All Access in the U.S., through CraveTV in Canada and through Netflix in other international markets.

    Star Trek: Discovery Season Two is now filming in Toronto and will premiere in on CBS All Accesson January 17, 2019.

  • So they learned nothing, found this on comicbook.com
 
Lackadaisy said:
BRING BACK SISKO QUARK YOU FUCKS
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Well it's seems there are maybe hopes for a theoretical new season? I saw an article someone related to Star Trek was trying to get writer for a theoretical new season and that Dax would get a different ship than in the post Nemesis novel, the Emmett Till. Saw another articlre Worf actor was uninterested with a cameo in Picard show
and finally i saw an article where Janeway actress say she wants to be in a movie with William Shatner and Patrick Steward, i assume she wants more than a cameo
 
What they really need to do is set a show in the 29th century aboard a time ship. It's literally the best of both worlds (pardon the pun). You can show off an entirely new world with relatively little continuity to get in the way, and you can still *frequently* go back and visit other time periods in the show's history, including ones we haven't seen before. And an extra bonus, you can even bring in some still living Trek alumni to cameo.
 
ToroidalBoat said:
STD wouldn't be as bad if it were set after the 24th century.

Why is Hollywood so fixated on the TOS era anyway?
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Because it's the laziest era you could pick since you don't need to come up with new aliens, technology, political situations etc. It's just KLINGONS BAD, FEDERATION GOOD. Also boomer nostalgia.
 
Orkeosaurus said:
Because it's the laziest era you could pick since you don't need to come up with new aliens, technology, political situations etc. It's just KLINGONS BAD, FEDERATION GOOD. Also boomer nostalgia.
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Actually it's the second laziest era to pick since by sheer amount the 24th century exceed the 23rd in number of material set in it
 
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