Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Bob Page said:
Oh man, one of my favorite episodes. The borg were like an awesome mix of H.R. Giger-styled horror along with the fact that they can adapt to any tactics or whatever anyone throws at them, making them some great and terrifying villains. I also like how their origins still remain a mystery, making them all the more interesting, despite piloting geometric shapes through space.
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Uncanon material (that means everything that isn't a show or a movie) puts them together with V'ger from TMP, meaning V'ger could be the origin of the Borg. But this is all uncanon of course unless CBS confirms it.
In Star Trek Online the last ship you'll face in one of joinable borg fight queues looks almost identical with the V'ger ship from TMP, including the sounds it makes.

GeorgeDaMoose said:
Watching DS9 again is so comfy. I can't wait to get into Season 3 and 4 again.
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I've never seen DS9 until recently, but I'm halfway through Season 2 and loving it. Great characters.
 
I started to watch Star Trek (I started with Enterprise since i saw First Contact not long before so i wanted to see how things are after that but pre-founding of the Federation, i had to stop because the site i was using was really not effecient in how it worked. Any sites you guys would recommend to watch it and other Star Trek series and movies? I'm not using Netflix because i'm putting money on the side for a vacation this summer

Also i keep hearing Neelix was terrible, just how bad was he?
 
Zaryiu said:
Also i keep hearing Neelix was terrible, just how bad was he?
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Honestly, he's not that bad. He's a fun enough character who, like everybody not named EMH or Seven, didn't get the proper treatment they deserved. I half wonder if the people who REALLY hate him are also the people who deny that Trek can be fun and silly at times.

And I mean, at least he's not Wesley or Michael Sue Burnham.
 
ure_mum said:
Honestly, he's not that bad. He's a fun enough character who, like everybody not named EMH or Seven, didn't get the proper treatment they deserved. I half wonder if the people who REALLY hate him are also the people who deny that Trek can be fun and silly at times.

And I mean, at least he's not Wesley or Michael Sue Burnham.
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Not that bad but the weird "TOTS NOT CHILD" wife of his was extremely grading on my nerves. Plus they needed some kind of trader person who knew the Delta Quadrant to help guide them around.

I loved Captain Janeway, Kim, Paris, Torres and Tuvok. Great cast with a lot of good ideas, but fucking tanked on the follow-through. The Amelia Air-heart ep was a favorite of mine.
 
GnomeofDoc said:
Not that bad but the weird "TOTS NOT CHILD" wife of his was extremely grading on my nerves. Plus they needed some kind of trader person who knew the Delta Quadrant to help guide them around.

I loved Captain Janeway, Kim, Paris, Torres and Tuvok. Great cast with a lot of good ideas, but fucking tanked on the follow-through. The Amelia Air-heart ep was a favorite of mine.
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I didn't mind Kes too much, I thought she was cute (and it's painful seeing how fucking bad Lien's life is rn), but the writers really needed to look at the whole Neelix/Kes relationship over again and discuss if that was a good idea.

I agree with you on the cast actually being pretty good, I always really liked Tuvok. But man, oh man, they never really got some spark out of them. I forget if it was Berman or Braga who allegedly said the actors needed to be in the background to make the alien races pop out more. That really made everyone a bit too stiff. And the alien comment also makes your eyes roll when you consider the first big race we meet in Voyager were the fucking Kazon - a species so dumb even the Borg didn't want them.
 
Neelix was probably the character with the most squandered potential. Here you have this plucky guy who's from a completely different part of the galaxy than the rest of the crew. He knows his way around the area and can act as a guide. He knows how to cook, which makes for a decent niche once the replicators become impractical. Then you start peeling back layers and you find out he's actually an AWOL soldier and his clownish persona is hiding a lot of deep-set guilt for abandoning his people shortly before the space equivalent of an H-Bomb was dropped on one of their colony planets.

But instead the writers decided "ha ha he bad at make food and am jealous men look at jailbait girlfriend."

All of the interesting parts of his backstory get one episode, and even then it's done rather poorly.
 
Zaryiu said:
Any sites you guys would recommend to watch it and other Star Trek series and movies? I'm not using Netflix because i'm putting money on the side for a vacation this summer
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Just torrent them man. I would not be surprised if CBS removes all the Star Trek shows and movies from Netflix soon since they launched the paywall streaming service.
GnomeofDoc said:
7 of 9 was a REALLY good idea. Too bad they really fucked it up.
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Everyone on set thought the actress was a casting couch thot who replaced Kes, so in that respect she was a mistake.
Lackadaisy said:
Going through TOS and wondering where people got the idea that Roddenbery was this big progressive guy. Sure, he had a diverse cast, but half of them don't do anything and it's clear he was hung up on women for some reason.
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People get hung up on that interracial kiss scene, but they were under fucking mind control in the context of it. I think people like Rod Serling did much more in television for promoting progressivism.
 
Orkeosaurus said:
People get hung up on that interracial kiss scene, but they were under fucking mind control in the context of it. I think people like Rod Serling did much more in television for promoting progressivism.
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Gene Roddenberry is truly the greatest mythmaker of the 20th Century. In that he created the myth of Gene Roddenberry.
 
Shitassdeaddude said:
Neelix was probably the character with the most squandered potential. Here you have this plucky guy who's from a completely different part of the galaxy than the rest of the crew. He knows his way around the area and can act as a guide. He knows how to cook, which makes for a decent niche once the replicators become impractical. Then you start peeling back layers and you find out he's actually an AWOL soldier and his clownish persona is hiding a lot of deep-set guilt for abandoning his people shortly before the space equivalent of an H-Bomb was dropped on one of their colony planets.

But instead the writers decided "ha ha he bad at make food and am jealous men look at jailbait girlfriend."

All of the interesting parts of his backstory get one episode, and even then it's done rather poorly.
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My favorite episode was when he kept trying to kill himself. It was so poorly wrapped up that I was sure that was how the character would eventually be written out of the show.
 
Lackadaisy said:
My favorite episode was when he kept trying to kill himself. It was so poorly wrapped up that I was sure that was how the character would eventually be written out of the show.
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I vaguely recall that one. Wasn't the solution to his existential crisis about the lack of an afterlife essentially "How about maybe you stop caring?"
 
So, the trailer for season 2 of STD dropped:
It still looks like shit. Pike's outfit clashes with the Discovery crew so much, Michael still seems like the center of attention, we are still asked to REMEMBER SPOCK??? and the end bit came across as Kurtzman trying to win over The Orville crowd.
 
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