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They meet another fucking caretaker and convince it they mean no harm after they let it free and it just DISAPPEARS BECAUSE THE PLOT DEMANDS IT.
Are you fucking kidding me Voyager? Holy fuck, I am 200% assmad, who the fuck decided it would be a good idea to introduce another member of the species that brought the crew to the Delta Quadrant only to have it fucking run away for NO REASON?
This is fucking ridiculous.
 
Hearing Robert Beltran talking about Voyager is always a good laugh. He was one of the few cast members to acknowledge how shit the show was and aired his grievances on several occasions. People often point to Harry as the most worthless character on the show, but Chakotay was a pretty thankless part as well - the supposedly badass rebel leader who bowed to Janeway pretty much immediately with only his Hollywoodified Native American beliefs to separate him from the rank and file.

 
My first experience with the original star trek was seeing a re-run about 7 years ago or so now where they went to a planet with these flowers that blew their load in the crew's faces and they got high and started hallucinating shit like their dead family member's being alive and it was amazing. Thanks to that I have used collectors set of the first season on DVD, the release without the CGI plastered over the ship props.

If you have not seen the original Star Trek yet, go for it. You don't know the wondeful levels of low budget sci-fi madness you're missing.
 
TheImportantFart said:
Hearing Robert Beltran talking about Voyager is always a good laugh. He was one of the few cast members to acknowledge how shit the show was and aired his grievances on several occasions. People often point to Harry as the most worthless character on the show, but Chakotay was a pretty thankless part as well - the supposedly badass rebel leader who bowed to Janeway pretty much immediately with only his Hollywoodified Native American beliefs to separate him from the rank and file.

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who could forget such lines as "A-koo-chee-moya. I pray on this day of memories, to speak to my father - the one whom the wind called... Kolopak. Though I'm far from his bones, perhaps there is a spirit in these unnamed skies who will find him, and honor him with my song. A-koo-chee-moya. "

The "Cherokee" advisor for Voyager was a Greek dude who pretended to be Injun.

"Highwater assumed a false American Indian identity as Cherokee in the 1960s. It had been exposed by the mid 1980s, although confusion about his life remains widespread"

"In 1993 Highwater was a consultant on the TV series Star Trek: Voyager for the character Chakotay. "

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamake_Highwater
 
Seven of Nine and the EMH are pretty awesome characters, they should have been in TNG or DS9. Unfortunately they are stuck in one of the two bad Trek series.

The "Cherokee" advisor for Voyager was a Greek dude who pretended to be Injun.
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LOL, no wonder he's just an Injun stereotype. He's one of the few times I'm almost offended by Hollywood's lack of knowledge on other cultures.

Doesn't seem fair we have Blu-Rays for Enterprise but not DS9. It's a cruel world.
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DS9 has often gotten the shit end the of the stick. It's like Paramount is sending a message that being good Star Trek will get you punished.

Hearing Robert Beltran talking about Voyager is always a good laugh
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I think Jolene Blalock (T'Pol) is also pretty vocal on how much Enterprise sucked.
 
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ICametoLurk said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Lg68YP-T4fAThat episode was 10/10 in terms of awfulness
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That episode was so infamously shit even the guy who wrote it admitted it was shit.

It's so bad it's the only episode, with the creator's approval no less, that is explicitly non-canon.

Even "Spock's Brain" got off with only a derisive in-universe comment from a TNG admiral how Kirk once sent in a crazy report about how someone stole his first officer's brain.
 
TheImportantFart said:
Hearing Robert Beltran talking about Voyager is always a good laugh. He was one of the few cast members to acknowledge how shit the show was and aired his grievances on several occasions.
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He also rips on Star Trek in general

"The idea [The Prime Directive] of leaving any species to die in its own filth when you have the ability to help them, just because you wanna let them get through their normal evolutionary processes is bunk -- it's a bunch of fascist crap," he said. "I much prefer the Cub Scout motto." (The Cub Scout motto, by the way, is about doing your best and helping others.)
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Course, I've always liked the idea that the Federation is actually a Communist military dictatorship compared to a Fascist one lol.
 
Took a small break from Voyager to watch Enterprise and the first 3 episodes weren't terrible. I actually enjoyed it more than Voyager, watching immature (at least by TOS, TNG, and DS9 standards) humans trying to figure out inter-species relationships and space travel is a really cool concept that is sometimes executed really well. Like when Hoshi tried to speak with that other alien in Fight or Flight while not having a full understanding of the alien's language. Or in Broken Bow when Tucker was judging a mother of depriving her daughter of air when she was really trying to help ween her off methane or something. Archer is pretty cool as a proto-Captain too. I like him more than Janeway so far. Actually like most of the crew more than Voyager's. Also I really like the art design for the show. Everything feels very military-like. The NX-01 Enterprise is really cold and unfriendly compared to the Enterprise NCC-1701 and the NCC-1701-D. I really, really like that shit man.
The writing itself isn't outstanding though. The first episode was a mix between good and bad writing wise. Like why the fuck was there an "echo room" on the Helix? Also why did the writers think it was a good idea to copy the whole "Where no man has gone before" speech Kirk gives in the opening of Star Trek and make Cochrane say that shit?
"And we'll be able to explore those strange new worlds and seek out new life, and new civilizations. This engine will let us go boldly, where no man has gone before."
Holy FUCK I started laughing and actually cringing at the same time. Shit was a weird experience, I don't think I ever felt that way before. It was almost like the show had just done a cringy title drop. Also what the FUCK is up with that theme song? I dig the song itself, but that shit isn't sci-fi or Star Trek. And I get that Vulcans are trying to be protective of the galaxy by weening humanity into space travel and trying to teach them to interact with other species responsibly, but holy FUCK they are huge assholes sometimes. Seems so weird, they're really arrogant which doesn't seem very Vulcan-like to me. Also the CG in the show sometimes looks really terrible like Voyager's.
 
GeorgeDaMoose said:
And I get that Vulcans are trying to be protective of the galaxy by weening humanity into space travel and trying to teach them to interact with other species responsibly, but holy FUCK they are huge assholes sometimes. Seems so weird, they're really arrogant which doesn't seem very Vulcan-like to me.
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Enterprise retcons the Vulcans by saying they were kind of dicks until they mellow out towards the end of the series. T'Pol was apparently so moody because they were going to reveal her as half-Romulan in the 5th season that never happened.
 
GeorgeDaMoose said:
Man who thought that an episode where Tom Paris turns into a mutant and has babies with Janeway was a good idea? For what fucking purpose? Like The Child 2.0.
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Ah yes... Threshold.

That episode was so bad that I actually drew a dick and balls on the autograph photo I had of Robert Duncan McNeil. I didn't have one of the writers, so that had to do. It was on the glass, I don't a-log memorabilia.

And if wasn't bad enough that episode exists, it also won a Emmy.

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SkeletonBias420 said:
Enterprise retcons the Vulcans by saying they were kind of dicks until they mellow out towards the end of the series. T'Pol was apparently so moody because they were going to reveal her as half-Romulan in the 5th season that never happened.
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I thought it was the space crack she was doing that made her so moody.

GeorgeDaMoose said:
Took a small break from Voyager to watch Enterprise and the first 3 episodes weren't terrible. I actually enjoyed it more than Voyager, watching immature (at least by TOS, TNG, and DS9 standards) humans trying to figure out inter-species relationships and space travel is a really cool concept that is sometimes executed really well. Like when Hoshi tried to speak with that other alien in Fight or Flight while not having a full understanding of the alien's language. Or in Broken Bow when Tucker was judging a mother of depriving her daughter of air when she was really trying to help ween her off methane or something. Archer is pretty cool as a proto-Captain too. I like him more than Janeway so far. Actually like most of the crew more than Voyager's. Also I really like the art design for the show. Everything feels very military-like. The NX-01 Enterprise is really cold and unfriendly compared to the Enterprise NCC-1701 and the NCC-1701-D. I really, really like that shit man.
The writing itself isn't outstanding though. The first episode was a mix between good and bad writing wise. Like why the fuck was there an "echo room" on the Helix? Also why did the writers think it was a good idea to copy the whole "Where no man has gone before" speech Kirk gives in the opening of Star Trek and make Cochrane say that shit?
"And we'll be able to explore those strange new worlds and seek out new life, and new civilizations. This engine will let us go boldly, where no man has gone before."
Holy FUCK I started laughing and actually cringing at the same time. Shit was a weird experience, I don't think I ever felt that way before. It was almost like the show had just done a cringy title drop. Also what the FUCK is up with that theme song? I dig the song itself, but that shit isn't sci-fi or Star Trek. And I get that Vulcans are trying to be protective of the galaxy by weening humanity into space travel and trying to teach them to interact with other species responsibly, but holy FUCK they are huge assholes sometimes. Seems so weird, they're really arrogant which doesn't seem very Vulcan-like to me. Also the CG in the show sometimes looks really terrible like Voyager's.
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I just try to ignore the theme song. They punch it up a few seasons in with a catchy guitar, but you can probably imagine it didn't help a whole lot. I've grown to like the shows CG effects less in direct proportion to my size of my TV sets over time.
The Vulcan portrayal really surprised me when they all went from being honorable like Spock to being well... dicks. Enterprise does some nice exposition into Vulcan history and culture that we haven't had before.

Glad to see you're taking a bit of a shine to it. You might want to polarize the hull plating, cause it will be a bumpy ride :biggrin:

I have also gotta remember that multi-quote exists.
 
YankeeTrader said:
I just try to ignore the theme song. They punch it up a few seasons in with a catchy guitar, but you can probably imagine it didn't help a whole lot. I've grown to like the shows CG effects less in direct proportion to my size of my TV sets over time.
The Vulcan portrayal really surprised me when they all went from being honorable like Spock to being well... dicks. Enterprise does some nice exposition into Vulcan history and culture that we haven't had before.

Glad to see you're taking a bit of a shine to it. You might want to polarize the hull plating, cause it will be a bumpy ride :biggrin:

I have also gotta remember that multi-quote exists.
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Star Trek changes the alien race behavior all the time.
In TOS, the Romulans were more honorable and the Klingons were more deceitful.
In TNG, that got reversed.
I agree with you that the portrayal of Vulcans in Enterprise was...illogical.
 
I kind of warmed up to the idea of Vulcans acting superior. Leads to some pretty fun conflicts like in The Andorian Incident. My main issue with Vulcans is that sometimes seem kind of emotional. I'm not sure whether this is an acting issue or a directing one, but it's one that I just kind of noticed.
The writing isn't fantastic still. There was another alien pregnancy episode which was weird. Except Tucker got pregnant so that shit was even weirder. I actually managed to enjoy it though because the pay off of Klingons laughing their asses off at Tucker was so good. I also like that there's a few constant reminders that space exploration is a fairly new thing in the series. Like how Archer and his crew are wary of the transporter, the little questions they got from kids back on Earth, the way they kind of fumble through some diplomatic situations, it's just a few nice touches here and there. I'm actually enjoying it a lot because even if the writing isn't perfect, there's a sort of atmosphere that Enterprise manages to build that hits a sweet spot inside my tastes in sci-fi. Hopefully if there's any bad writing further on it'll be so-bad-it's-good kind of writing instead of fuck-why-am-I-watching-this shit.
 
GeorgeDaMoose said:
There was another alien pregnancy episode which was weird.
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Weird? Sorry if this sound SJW-y, but that episode basically played date rape for laughs. It was more or less a gender-flipped version of "The Child", but handled even worse because at least that episode didn't make a joke out of the whole thing. This is the kind of not just bad, but horrifically insane writing that makes Enterprise one of the worst things ever given air time.
 
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