Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[projecteddrama]

Well Voyager gains Seven of Nine, and the EMH gets a mobile emitter. Other than that...nope. It ends where it begins, lol. Brannon Braga did attempt to add more danger and drama with a season long arc (Year of Hell), but the executives shitcanned the idea pretty quickly (this kind of meddling didn't exist on TNG and DS9, that's what I meant). Much, much more happens on a heavily armed space station in Federation space , and more happens on the flagship that largely just patrols Federation territory. Think about that. Voyagers premise being thrown away by the second episode pretty much tells you all you need to know on it. It confuses me that it has its ardent defenders (for example, TheAmazingAtheist has literally screamed at people and blocked them when they say they don't like Voyager) given that it's practically the quintessential example of dry television.

As for Enterprise, the first two seasons are far worse (it features a dog being rubbed down by KY Jelly and the Captain condoning genocide, enough said), but it gets better in its third and fourth seasons. Nothing approaching TNG/DS9 levels of good though. Best just skip it and wait for Discovery.

Aside from boring TV, I saw Star Trek Beyond and it was pretty fun. I kind of wish it cut down a little on the action and had more technobabble.

Heh, I thought it was one of the most boring films I'd seen in a long time. FlareTrek is sub-standard.

What's everyone's favorite episodes in the franchise btw?

 

[Van Darkholme]

Is Voyager ever going to have lasting consequences? Like are they ever going to take serious damage in one battle and then be like "Oh fuck, there's a hull breach and we need to fix this shit nigga how the fuck are we going to do this shit?" Or maybe they lose crew due to some virus and need to get more hands on board?
I'm really considering just dropping this shit all together and moving onto Enterprise. It CAN'T be as bad as this or as boring.

And you haven't even seen "Threshold" yet...

Nope. They didn't make enough money off the TOS and TNG sets. Word came down that they've already disbanded the restoration team.

Breaks my heart.

Damn shame because they did a great job on the TNG releases (even if they're still in 4:3 but they explained why they had to keep it that way)

What's everyone's favorite episodes in the franchise btw?

Being a TNG kid and most of my trek fanfaggery is based on that...probably Yesterday's Enterprise. I love all those parallel universe/time travel episode. Wish there was more stuff about the Enterprise - C.

 

[projecteddrama]

Being a TNG kid and most of my trek fanfaggery is based on that...probably Yesterday's Enterprise. I love all those parallel universe/time travel episode. Wish there was more stuff about the Enterprise - C.

Probably my single favorite episode too. Kind of funny, given that overall I think DS9 is superior to TNG, but most of my favorite individual episodes are TNG. Yesterday's Enterprise, The Measure Of A Man, Q Who, The Best of Both Worlds, Cause and Effect, Reunion, Redemption, Tapestry, The Inner Light, Chain of Command, Parallels, All Good Things, all stuff I can watch over and over again. DS9 has really great episodes like Way of the Warrior, and its multiparters in the last two seasons, and stuff like In The Pale Moonlight, Waltz and The Visitor, but TNG is still king of great stand alone episodes.

Wondering if anyone has favorite episodes from across all the series? I know Voyager and Enterprise are slim pickings but they do have some good episodes.

 

[GeorgeDaMoose]

As for Enterprise, the first two seasons are far worse (it features a dog being rubbed down by KY Jelly and the Captain condoning genocide, enough said), but it gets better in its third and fourth seasons. Nothing approaching TNG/DS9 levels of good though. Best just skip it and wait for Discovery.

Honestly I'd rather watch a dog get rubbed down by KY Jelly and the Captain murdering an entire species rather than Neelix being a huge faggot in every episode and the crew getting nowhere.

Heh, I thought it was one of the most boring films I'd seen in a long time. FlareTrek is sub-standard.

What's everyone's favorite episodes in the franchise btw?

It had some good bants in it. I like that it felt like a Star Trek episode rather than being some movie about another galactic threat. It's also pretty hard not to like that part where they kill the Bees with the power of fucking rock too, that was so cheesy I couldn't help but love it.

Also my favorite episodes are Journey to Babel, Chain of Command, and Once More Unto the Breach/It's Only a Paper Moon.

 

[TheImportantFart]

TOS - City on the Edge of Forever (of course)

TNG - The Drumhead

DS9 - The Visitor (I cried buckets at this one)

VOY - Scorpion

ENT - You must be joking

 

[YankeeTrader]

Well Voyager gains Seven of Nine, and the EMH gets a mobile emitter. Other than that...nope. It ends where it begins, lol. Brannon Braga did attempt to add more danger and drama with a season long arc (Year of Hell), but the executives shitcanned the idea pretty quickly (this kind of meddling didn't exist on TNG and DS9, that's what I meant). Much, much more happens on a heavily armed space station in Federation space , and more happens on the flagship that largely just patrols Federation territory. Think about that. Voyagers premise being thrown away by the second episode pretty much tells you all you need to know on it. It confuses me that it has its ardent defenders (for example, TheAmazingAtheist has literally screamed at people and blocked them when they say they don't like Voyager) given that it's practically the quintessential example of dry television.

As for Enterprise, the first two seasons are far worse (it features a dog being rubbed down by KY Jelly and the Captain condoning genocide, enough said), but it gets better in its third and fourth seasons. Nothing approaching TNG/DS9 levels of good though. Best just skip it and wait for Discovery.



Heh, I thought it was one of the most boring films I'd seen in a long time. FlareTrek is sub-standard.

What's everyone's favorite episodes in the franchise btw?

TOS: The Galileo Seven (Purely for personal reasons. It's part of my of my earliest memories.)

TAS: Yesteryear

TNG: Chains of Command Parts I & II

DS9: In the Pale Moonlight

VOY: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (I'm just a big EMH fan)

ENT: (oh this is tough).....a tie between the Augments storyline, and the Terra Prime storyline

Probably my single favorite episode too. Kind of funny, given that overall I think DS9 is superior to TNG, but most of my favorite individual episodes are TNG. Yesterday's Enterprise, The Measure Of A Man, Q Who, The Best of Both Worlds, Cause and Effect, Reunion, Redemption, Tapestry, The Inner Light, Chain of Command, Parallels, All Good Things, all stuff I can watch over and over again. DS9 has really great episodes like Way of the Warrior, and its multiparters in the last two seasons, and stuff like In The Pale Moonlight, Waltz and The Visitor, but TNG is still king of great stand alone episodes.

Wondering if anyone has favorite episodes from across all the series? I know Voyager and Enterprise are slim pickings but they do have some good episodes.

Enterprise does have some good eps. Full disclosure: I hated it so much when it started that I didn't pick it up again until season 4 was almost underway. It grew on me. Subtract that rediculous Temporal Cold War story, and there are a few good eps per season. Season 4 as I like to mention often , is where it got real good. But it was doomed by then anyway.

Avoid the first 2 and last eps of Season 4 of Enterprise and you can have yourself a pretty good lineup of solid "Star Trek" type stories.

As or Voyager, I just liked the EMH heavy episodes really. And when Q would show up to break Janeways balls.

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

TOS - Balance of Terror
TNG - Measure of a Man (all the Data stuff aside, Riker being forced to make a case against Data is some of the best emotional conflict in the show)
DS9 - Duet
VOY - Distant Origin (I wish there were more episodes that show Voyager from an alien's perspective rather than aliens from Voyager's perspective)

 

[XYZpdq]

Regarding early Ent as far as I've heard the idea was that Archer was trying to invent being a Starfleet captain, so he was gradually becoming less terrible at it.

Favs (at the moment, they change a lot):
TOS - Devil in the Dark
TNG - Ro and Geordi Are Dead
DS9 - Civil Defense
VOY - The one where they history up what the Voyager crew was really like

 

[YankeeTrader]

Regarding early Ent as far as I've heard the idea was that Archer was trying to invent being a Starfleet captain, so he was gradually becoming less terrible at it.

That's a great way to describe it. And everything about Starfleet at that time. Humans roaming the stars with pretty much no idea what they were doing. Was kind of charming in a naive way.

 

[TheImportantFart]

Garret Wang just cannot act, why was he ever cast?

I agree with this, but it's worth noting that Wang wasn't treated very well at all by the Producers and he didn't have the best character to begin with. He repeatedly asked for Harry to be given some development, or characteristics, or even just an in-show promotion to junior lieutenant but was turned down every time. He's also the only Star Trek cast member to be denied the chance to direct an episode.

 

[YankeeTrader]

I agree with this, but it's worth noting that Wang wasn't treated very well at all by the Producers and he didn't have the best character to begin with. He repeatedly asked for Harry to be given some development, or characteristics, or even just an in-show promotion to junior lieutenant but was turned down every time. He's also the only Star Trek cast member to be denied the chance to direct an episode.

He was probably the most senior junior officer in Starfleet history.

 

[XYZpdq]

I agree with this, but it's worth noting that Wang wasn't treated very well at all by the Producers and he didn't have the best character to begin with. He repeatedly asked for Harry to be given some development, or characteristics, or even just an in-show promotion to junior lieutenant but was turned down every time. He's also the only Star Trek cast member to be denied the chance to direct an episode.

I've heard he showed up drunk and/or late to the set a lot, and the only reason they didn't shitcan him was because that magazine said he was sexy. Supposedly they felt he couldn't be relied on to be there on time so they didn't want to invest the effort into a character that might have to be written out on any given day.

 

[Van Darkholme]

And the future where he actually was the captain of the USS Rhode Island got cucked by Janeway and ceased to exist.
Kim is probably the most fucked over character in Star Trek history.
Maybe he got better in books, no idea.

 

[Cynical]

That's a great way to describe it. And everything about Starfleet at that time. Humans roaming the stars with pretty much no idea what they were doing. Was kind of charming in a naive way.

That's probably one of the things you have to keep in mind make it through most of Enterprise. It also makes the Vulcan disdain for humanity's competence somewhat more understandable.

On the other hand, some episodes it's impossible for this to work. "A Night In Sickbay" is one long episode of Archer being a total asshole over his dog desecrating a sacred tree, and instead of deciding to suck it up and apologize, he spends most of the episode being a jackass because Porthos got sick.

You really want to punch him in the face when basically says he's so insensitive to the aliens he pissed off he might as well whizz all over their sacred trees to spite them.

 

[YankeeTrader]

On the other hand, some episodes it's impossible for this to work. "A Night In Sickbay" is one long episode of Archer being a total asshole over his dog desecrating a sacred tree, and instead of deciding to suck it up and apologize, he spends most of the episode being a jackass because Porthos got sick.

I hated that episode for the same exact reasons. I like Porthos, but c'mon man!

 

[GeorgeDaMoose]

I agree with this, but it's worth noting that Wang wasn't treated very well at all by the Producers and he didn't have the best character to begin with. He repeatedly asked for Harry to be given some development, or characteristics, or even just an in-show promotion to junior lieutenant but was turned down every time. He's also the only Star Trek cast member to be denied the chance to direct an episode.

This actually makes me feel pretty bad for him, I really wonder why they would bother implementing a character in the show they know is shit. Still, he could at least try to make the shit he was dealt with at least tolerable to watch.

Aside from Voyager, I started watching TAS and it's very enjoyable. Even the bad episodes are great because it's literally impossible to not enjoy the cheese in all of them. It makes me a little frustrated though because Star Trek would be perfect for an animated series if they had a higher budget. They introduced cool new aliens to the crew like Arex and M'Ress and had more crazy settings like in the first episode with that millions year old alien ship.

 

[projecteddrama]

Yeah, I think "A Night in Sick Bay" and "Dear Doctor" are far worse than anything in Voyager. I don't think Neelix's mild annoyance tops dog fetishes and condoning of genocide, but that's just me. If you want to watch Enterprise, go ahead, but it's far worse than Voyager, for the most part. I say this as someone who hates Voyager (for the most part).

I heard Garrett Wong would come on set drunk in the early years, so the crew and producers ended up hating him, hence his characters mistreatment. They wanted to kill him off in Scorpion, but he was named a sexy actor in some magazine so they kept him for ratings.

It had some good bants in it. I like that it felt like a Star Trek episode rather than being some movie about another galactic threat. It's also pretty hard not to like that part where they kill the Bees with the power of fucking rock too, that was so cheesy I couldn't help but love it.

It felt like a modern PG-13 brainless action film trying to be an episode to me.

The best TOS episodes to me are The Ulimate Computer, Balance of Terror, Amok Time, Mirror Mirror, The Tholian Web. These are the only ones I can remember atm. VOY and ENT are: Timeless, Someone to Watch Over Me, Scorpion, Year of Hell, that one with the Doctor pretending to be captain, The Vulcan ENT three parter, Romulan and Terra Prime ones. Slim pickings and I don't think any of these really measure up to the best of DS9/TNG, but they're worth watching at least.

I forgot Darmok somehow. That episode is sci-fi brilliance.

I started watching TAS

I've tried watching it. A few episodes are okay, for a 70s cartoon but it's normally so bad I give up after a few minutes.

Enterprise does have some good eps. Full disclosure: I hated it so much when it started that I didn't pick it up again until season 4 was almost underway. It grew on me. Subtract that rediculous Temporal Cold War story, and there are a few good eps per season. Season 4 as I like to mention often , is where it got real good. But it was doomed by then anyway.

I was like 11 when it first aired and even at that age, Enterprise was boring to me and because TNG and DS9 and VOY were reruning on TNN (Spike) I didn't even bother with it. I got back into it in the third season and saw the whole season and then just gave up again. I didn't find out until several years later through the magic of streaming that Enterprise actually had a season that was actually a prequel and continuity bonanza.

 

[melty]

I'll just leave this here

Unpopular opinion but I like Voyager. Obviously not all the episodes. My main reasons are Seven, the Doctor, and I have an extremely autistic obsession for Janeway, so that negates all the other shitty characters.

Has anybody mentioned the episode where they visit the 90s and team up with Sarah Silverman? That was fucking dope. Future's End.
Also, Bride of Chaotica. Obviously VOY being cheesy as fuck wasn't a turnoff for me but that episode was really genuinely fun and you can tell at some points the actors are barely holding their laughter in.

 

[YankeeTrader]

Unpopular opinion but I like Voyager. Obviously not all the episodes. My main reasons are Seven, the Doctor, and I have an extremely autistic obsession for Janeway, so that negates all the other shitty characters.

Has anybody mentioned the episode where they visit the 90s and team up with Sarah Silverman? That was fucking dope. Future's End.
Also, Bride of Chaotica. Obviously VOY being cheesy as fuck wasn't a turnoff for me but that episode was really genuinely fun and you can tell at some points the actors are barely holding their laughter in.

Minor powerlevel, but I got to meet Robert Picardo a few years ago. Nicest guy you could ever hope to meet. Talked to him about a lot of his non Trek roles and then he went on for a while about the brand new pizza oven he built, and the nuances of the right dough. At one point he almost sounded like the EMH going on a bit too long.

That moment when the 30th anniversary tribute episode turns 20.

http://www.startrek.com/article/20-years-later-trials-and-tribble-ations

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

They destroyed Q on Voyager. "Death Wish" was good, but "The Q and the Grey" and "Q2" were embarrassing, especially considering the latter is Q's final Star Trek appearance.

I will never ever EVER! Forgive what those Voyager hacks did to Q

They took the most unique and interesting characters and basically nuetered him.

for that alone Voyager should burn.